Made in gods image is mankind...

Eternal is god.

Mankind does not die...

Body is not the man

Is but the shell to carry one through this phase of life...

Why would you limit your beauty by holding fast to a life of death.

Only through Jesus Christ can one live for ever. Jesus offers eternal life. The gift is in your hands, hope you treat it well.

You sir may live through Jesus as you wish.

I shall live as me, for I am gods image.

as are you though you have sold it to jesus for a book.

Perhaps... For you.

Shall we now simply expand the thread with the back and forth...

I would rather not.

You keep to your truth..

I keep to mine..

When at some point we meet in the 'mansion of many rooms'...

You can say 'see I told you so'...

and I will say...

I am here on my own merits and not those of Jesus...

and we will both be right.

There are many paths to God...

Only one is the right path for you.

Cowboy wrote:

You live as you, you die as you. Eternal life can only be acheived through Jesus Christ.

Cowboy wrote:

There is but one path from point A to point B. The path is narrow and few will find it, but the path to death is broad and many will find it. So I plead for you to choose your path wisely.

Why plead with someone?

Do you not TRUST that your God knows what he's doing?

Do you believe that your God has created such an inept system of raising souls that God himself might lose truly worthy souls without your help?

It just seems to me that you have absolutely no faith or trust in your God whatsoever.

Besides what does Jesus say here:

"What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

He speaks of going out after that which is lost. So do you not TRUST Jesus to go after those who are lost?

Also, notice that he also says at the end that the there will be greater joy over the sinner who has repented than the ninety and nine just persons which need no repentance.

So here again Jesus is implying that the vast majority of men are not even in need of repentance since in heaven, for everyone ONE sinner who has repented there will be ninety and nine just people who needed no repentance.

I think you just have the story all wrong is all.

No wonder you're so distraught about "saving souls", you've misunderstood the message of Jesus.

Besides, Jesus said that he only came for the sinners and not for the righteous.

He also said that he will not judge those who do not believe in him.

So you conclusion that the only way to eternal life is through Jesus is clearly not the same message that Jesus was preaching.

Especially in terms of everyone "needing" to repent, or even anyone "needing" to believe in him.

The message that you continually spread throughout these forums doesn't even jive with the message that Jesus supposedly taught in the scriptures.

This is why I make a distinction between ancient doctrines and "Cowboyainity".

I don't see where the biblical scriptures even support your views anyway.

Clearly Jesus allowed that righteous people who need no repentance exist. He made that clear in several places.

Moreover, perhaps he was speaking solely of sinners then he spoke of the straight path and narrow gate. Only FEW "sinners" would make it. Not that makes far more sense. Especially since he also acknowledged that ninety and nine out of a 100 people in heaven will be just people who needed no repentance.

Personally I think you just pick all the worst possible interpretations of everything and try to make things appear far worse than even the biblical scriptures had ever intended.

I think I need to start my own version of Christianity where the vast majority of people don't even need to be 'saved' because they are already righteous according to the WORD of Jesus!

Do you believe that your God has created such an inept system of raising souls that God himself might lose truly worthy souls without your help? slaphead

It just seems to me that you have absolutely no faith or trust in your God whatsoever.

Besides what does Jesus say here:

"What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

Why plead with someone?

Do you not TRUST that your God knows what he's doing?

Do you believe that your God has created such an inept system of raising souls that God himself might lose truly worthy souls without your help?

It just seems to me that you have absolutely no faith or trust in your God whatsoever.

Besides what does Jesus say here:

"What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

He speaks of going out after that which is lost. So do you not TRUST Jesus to go after those who are lost?

Also, notice that he also says at the end that the there will be greater joy over the sinner who has repented than the ninety and nine just persons which need no repentance.

So here again Jesus is implying that the vast majority of men are not even in need of repentance since in heaven, for everyone ONE sinner who has repented there will be ninety and nine just people who needed no repentance.

I think you just have the story all wrong is all.

No wonder you're so distraught about "saving souls", you've misunderstood the message of Jesus.

Besides, Jesus said that he only came for the sinners and not for the righteous.

He also said that he will not judge those who do not believe in him.

So you conclusion that the only way to eternal life is through Jesus is clearly not the same message that Jesus was preaching.

Especially in terms of everyone "needing" to repent, or even anyone "needing" to believe in him.

The message that you continually spread throughout these forums doesn't even jive with the message that Jesus supposedly taught in the scriptures.

This is why I make a distinction between ancient doctrines and "Cowboyainity".

I don't see where the biblical scriptures even support your views anyway.

Clearly Jesus allowed that righteous people who need no repentance exist. He made that clear in several places.

Moreover, perhaps he was speaking solely of sinners then he spoke of the straight path and narrow gate. Only FEW "sinners" would make it. Not that makes far more sense. Especially since he also acknowledged that ninety and nine out of a 100 people in heaven will be just people who needed no repentance.

Personally I think you just pick all the worst possible interpretations of everything and try to make things appear far worse than even the biblical scriptures had ever intended.

I think I need to start my own version of Christianity where the vast majority of people don't even need to be 'saved' because they are already righteous according to the WORD of Jesus!

Cowboy wrote:

You're still trying to find a scapegoat. Do you understand the concept of FREE WILL ? That would intel that God has nothing to do with the actions of the creation less the creation wished for the help in the making of decisions. That is why YOU'RE accountable for your decisions and not God. For it was YOU that did those actions on your own. And would you might enlightening us with the book, chapter, and verse that is quoted from?

Cowboy wrote:

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

We are only righteous through Jesus. On our own, we are not worth the time of day.

I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christianity.

You've got so much of the scriptures all wrong.

It's crystal clear to me that Jesus himself is credited with allowing that ninety nine out of a hundred people in heaven can be totally just and not have ever been in need of repentance.

So your whole thesis is flawed, even if the fables were true.

I don't trust you to be the spokes-person for Jesus or for the religion, at least not for any other sect than perhaps "Cowboyanity".

I will give you the right to create your own religion as so many Protestants have already done.

But it's clearly to me that you neither trust Jesus, not understand his message.

You don't trust Jesus to save anyone. For some strange reason you seem to think that's entirely on your shoulders.

I'm sorry you feel so burdened by your interpretation of your religion. It must be a grave burden to bear.

Even if I were going to believe in these myths I would at least do it in a positive way and put a little faith in the God.

You seem to think that it's entirely up to you to try to "Save" people.

I have far more faith in "God" (not the fictional biblical god) than you can even imagine, and I'm even an agnostic!

I don't think I've ever met anyone in my life who has so little faith in their God as you apparently do.

Even atheist often seem to have more faith in the universe than you have in your God.

It's crystal clear to me that Jesus himself is credited with allowing that ninety nine out of a hundred people in heaven can be totally just and not have ever been in need of repentance.

I will give you the right to create your own religion as so many Protestants have already done.

What are you quoting Paul for?

I was talking about the WORD of Jesus!

Surely the WORD of Jesus trumps the babble of Paul when there's a contradiction in the fables?

Like I say, you always seem to run off trying to find the most hateful thing you can find. You even use the word of Paul to try to trump the words of Jesus just to make the dogma as hateful as you possibly can.

I just don't need that kind of ignorant fundamentalism in my life.

Start looking for the POSITIVE things in the religion and focus on those. Quit trying to make it out to the most hateful religion you can possibly make it out to be.

That's just totally uncalled for.

There's no need for that.

Spirituality is suppose to be a positive thing. Not a negative thing.

Think POSITIVE and TRUST IN GOD!

It's that simple!

In the meantime let me know where you're going to build your church so I can avoid it.

What are you quoting Paul for?

I was talking about the WORD of Jesus!

Surely the WORD of Jesus trumps the babble of Paul when there's a contradiction in the fables?

Like I say, you always seem to run off trying to find the most hateful thing you can find. You even use the word of Paul to try to trump the words of Jesus just to make the dogma as hateful as you possibly can.

I just don't need that kind of ignorant fundamentalism in my life.

Start looking for the POSITIVE things in the religion and focus on those. Quit trying to make it out to the most hateful religion you can possibly make it out to be.

That's just totally uncalled for.

There's no need for that.

Spirituality is suppose to be a positive thing. Not a negative thing.

Think POSITIVE and TRUST IN GOD!

It's that simple!

In the meantime let me know where you're going to build your church so I can avoid it.

Like I say, you always seem to run off trying to find the most hateful thing you can find. You even use the word of Paul to try to trump the words of Jesus just to make the dogma as hateful as you possibly can.

There is but one path from point A to point B. The path is narrow and few will find it, but the path to death is broad and many will find it. So I plead for you to choose your path wisely.

I am not going from point A to point B.

My path is narrow... It is no wider than my self. The path for humanity is wide indeed... For god has a path to each of us.

Humanity is but a mote in gods eye. I am but an atom within that 'mote'.

Yet god sees us all.

So you're not going from point A"here" to point B"heaven"? Yes the path to heaven is narrow and few will find it.

Birth is not 'point a' rather it is an event in life that introduces you to this reality.
Heaven is not 'point b' rather it is an event in your life that introduces you to a new reality.

and Heaven (as you know it) is but a way point on a greater journey than you might comprhend, clinging to paper and ink as you do.

God is with you.

Stand up.

He did not make us to kneel before anything.

Cowboy wrote:

I've created nothing. You say this to try to get under my skin and get my frustrated so that I will slip and say something wrong out of frustration. You've not yet shown what I say to be false. The biggest thing you've said in response is "well that you're interpretation" or something as such. But you've failed at showing how it is false.