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Did you forget Social Security? Do you know what Social Security is? A bribe for naive voters who know nothing about economics. I wonder if you even know what SS is. Look up "Helvering v. Davis, 1937" and "Flemming v. Nestor, 1960". These SCOTUS decisions demonstrated that 1) there is no SS "trust fund" and 2) there is no "right" or "guarantee" of benefits. The whole system was economically unsound from the beginning. Poppycock! SS is the only gov program that actually turns a profit every year. ?????...How?...and if it were so...you actually think they are putting profits in it for the people? |
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They invest it is how it turns a profit, and they rob it is why it's going broke.
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They invest it is how it turns a profit, and they rob it is why it's going broke. and why nobody should not think it will be there when that time comes to collect......even though each and everyone of you contributed in it... |
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Because the People don't run this country anymore.
Corps do! |
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In 2007, Social Security had a total income of $784.9 billion and expenditures of $594.5 billion.
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Did you forget Social Security? Do you know what Social Security is? A bribe for naive voters who know nothing about economics. I wonder if you even know what SS is. Look up "Helvering v. Davis, 1937" and "Flemming v. Nestor, 1960". These SCOTUS decisions demonstrated that 1) there is no SS "trust fund" and 2) there is no "right" or "guarantee" of benefits. The whole system was economically unsound from the beginning. Poppycock! SS is the only gov program that actually turns a profit every year. Okay this was laughable! Did you say ss turns a profit? Come on! Really?   Is it even possible someone can actually beleive a government agency turns a profit? They have community colleges that teach economics and basic economics would be of great help to you!
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In 2007, Social Security had a total income of $784.9 billion and expenditures of $594.5 billion. uhhhhh really! WOW!
ECONOMICS 101 Term: Unfunded Liabilities definition: liabilities not yet funded. LMAO! 
Expenditures + unfunded liabilities = Oh crap we are Trillions in the red! SS tax or as you said " Income" - Expenditures = 190 billion toward 1 gazillion in unfunded liabilities = oh crap we are short a gazillion dollars! Geez the lack of understanding is incredible! |
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both correct actually
it turns profit in REAL TIME, but it will be unable to pay debts in the future http://ezinearticles.com/?Social-Security---The-Surplus-Conundrum&id=3765268 http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-the-Total-Unfunded-Liability-of-the-US-Government?&id=3531013 |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. |
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To the top with ya!
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, On the surface it does not make YOU any less free... But to someone like me... I will be FORCED by DECREE to purchase something I do not want. That makes ME less than free to 'pursue my happiness'. If I decide not to pay the 'penality' (a good possibility as I consider it a violation of my constitional rights) I will become a criminal under this law... Simply for exercising my rights... But how does this effect you. First they put an excess tax on smokes... This did not effect your rights - just the rights of the smokers. then they put a higher tax on alcohol products... This only effects those that drink. So most care not. Now they pursue higher taxes on suger products... This is starting to effect more people so some are now paying attention. And in the middle of this they put a mandate on all that opens the door for further errosion of rights. |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, On the surface it does not make YOU any less free... But to someone like me... I will be FORCED by DECREE to purchase something I do not want. That makes ME less than free to 'pursue my happiness'. If I decide not to pay the 'penality' (a good possibility as I consider it a violation of my constitional rights) I will become a criminal under this law... Simply for exercising my rights... But how does this effect you. First they put an excess tax on smokes... This did not effect your rights - just the rights of the smokers. then they put a higher tax on alcohol products... This only effects those that drink. So most care not. Now they pursue higher taxes on suger products... This is starting to effect more people so some are now paying attention. And in the middle of this they put a mandate on all that opens the door for further errosion of rights. And like the 1930s the flood gates of hell have yet to open! |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, Very simply msharmony by taxation! The size of the U.S. GDP last i looked was at 16 trillion annually! This is about twice the chinese and far more than any other country! Yet the american Governmant tells us they need to increase taxes just to pay the bills! The bills are the problem! Now 1/6 of that total figure needs to be handed to the U.S. government just for americans can afford basic services is the ideal right? The government will then have control of a large portion of the GDP overnight! The leap of faith and i will grant for sake of argument it is a leap of faith to a point. The leap of faith is that Government can not handle that kind of power! I contend this is what our founders did not want and their fears of governmental control is coming true. In my opinion the very essence of Freedom comes from small unintrusive government! I see this as a form of socialism just packaged nicely to get it thru then the true intent of this bill will slide down the slope into true socialized medicine in years to come. I disagree with it as an american and want it repealed along with the education system, IRS and many other government agencies that are bloated and out of control! But it's time we take back the taxes and start shutting the doors on government agencies! Lets fire government! I can give you a perfect example, the department of education. Do we really need them anymore? I mean beyond the school house what do all those people do in that huge building filled with employees? 1,000's of workers doing what? do they educate 1 child? why do we need them? the list goes on and on! |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, On the surface it does not make YOU any less free... But to someone like me... I will be FORCED by DECREE to purchase something I do not want. That makes ME less than free to 'pursue my happiness'. If I decide not to pay the 'penality' (a good possibility as I consider it a violation of my constitional rights) I will become a criminal under this law... Simply for exercising my rights... But how does this effect you. First they put an excess tax on smokes... This did not effect your rights - just the rights of the smokers. then they put a higher tax on alcohol products... This only effects those that drink. So most care not. Now they pursue higher taxes on suger products... This is starting to effect more people so some are now paying attention. And in the middle of this they put a mandate on all that opens the door for further errosion of rights. And like the 1930s the flood gates of hell have yet to open! Im sure many thought that about medicare and social security,, maybe this time they will be right and maybe not,, but I lean towards not |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, Very simply msharmony by taxation! The size of the U.S. GDP last i looked was at 16 trillion annually! This is about twice the chinese and far more than any other country! Yet the american Governmant tells us they need to increase taxes just to pay the bills! The bills are the problem! Now 1/6 of that total figure needs to be handed to the U.S. government just for americans can afford basic services is the ideal right? The government will then have control of a large portion of the GDP overnight! The leap of faith and i will grant for sake of argument it is a leap of faith to a point. The leap of faith is that Government can not handle that kind of power! I contend this is what our founders did not want and their fears of governmental control is coming true. In my opinion the very essence of Freedom comes from small unintrusive government! I see this as a form of socialism just packaged nicely to get it thru then the true intent of this bill will slide down the slope into true socialized medicine in years to come. I disagree with it as an american and want it repealed along with the education system, IRS and many other government agencies that are bloated and out of control! But it's time we take back the taxes and start shutting the doors on government agencies! Lets fire government! I can give you a perfect example, the department of education. Do we really need them anymore? I mean beyond the school house what do all those people do in that huge building filled with employees? 1,000's of workers doing what? do they educate 1 child? why do we need them? the list goes on and on! we need them for overseeing and managing the policies and procedures that impact our childrens education and for the funding and resources to keep up with the rest of the global market |
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What do we all here about social security in the media? The general premise is it is in trouble and thus must be poorly run. Well, it is in trouble, but not because of the way it is run. Instead, the program is underfunded and holds a ton of IOUs from a group that is just about the least credible creditor on the planet - the United States Government! It all comes down to the surplus issue.
Social security has been running out of money because it spends more than it takes in, right? No. The opposite is true. The program has nearly always brought in tens to hundreds of billion dollars more a year than it has expended. One needs only look to the 2006 year when it brought in just over $100 billion more than it spend. Given all these surpluses, the program should literally have trillions of dollars built up in its trust account. It does not. So, where did all the money go? Most people know they are in trouble when they have to borrow from one credit card to pay another. Well, our government never really learned the lesson. It has been borrowing the social security surplus for years and using it to pay the interest on the national debt. Talk about a shell game! Well, it worked so long as there was a surplus. That no longer is the case. If they had kept their hands off it there would be plenty. They should have never been allowed to borrow from it in the first place. I think it was Reagan who first started putting in the IOU s. actually it was eisenhowser and every pres since has had their hands in it! So your off by about 5 presidents and clinton used ssa funds to give the perception of a balnaced budget which was a farse. But you bring up exactly my point! ssa could have worked had they followed the rules right? WHat makes you think they are telling the truth this time with heathcare? They are not and it is a farse like every other social program, just a money grab by greedy politicians! The entire point of realists! The reason for federalism early in our founding was exactly for this reason. Government is inherently evil and always will be! Man can not be trusted with this kind of power and with healthcare representing about 3 trillion plus it is far beyond the ability of government to be trusted with! It goes directly against the founding principals of America and if you actually study history this is not even debatable. The only thing an honest historian can debate is if our founders where correct! The principal founders studied the different forms of government of the previous centuries and devolped a hybrid Republic system that has worked better than any system known to man! Those principals have slowly been taken away from our governmental system due to power grabs! We resemble a democracy more and more each year and the reason the founders where against a democracy was they beleived in rights all men should posses regardless of majority opinion and political manipulation! Reading the constitution, bill of rights and so forth without digging into history leaves you at a great disadvantage! Our founders knew that checks and balances had to be put in place for the growth of our country and the chief thought in mind in my opinion is "how do you create a system that can withtand corruption and the power remain in the peoples hand"! Well you see social security is a perfect example! This idea by FDR went against the principal's of small government and as the founders predicted failed miserably! It's the idea that's the issue it is the balance of power that must remain in effect or government will gain so much power liberty will no longer exsist. So now we are deeply in debt and governemnt is huge beyond compare! Then i actually hear Americans tell me healthcare is the solution? The healthcare bill represents the nail in the coffin of a American dream! If we do not repeal it Americans will no longer be free and completely reliant on government! Please try and look at the big picture! Try to think with your mind and not your emotions! how does buying health insurance make me any less free than I was before I had insurance? Im not getting the leap ,,,,,, Very simply msharmony by taxation! The size of the U.S. GDP last i looked was at 16 trillion annually! This is about twice the chinese and far more than any other country! Yet the american Governmant tells us they need to increase taxes just to pay the bills! The bills are the problem! Now 1/6 of that total figure needs to be handed to the U.S. government just for americans can afford basic services is the ideal right? The government will then have control of a large portion of the GDP overnight! The leap of faith and i will grant for sake of argument it is a leap of faith to a point. The leap of faith is that Government can not handle that kind of power! I contend this is what our founders did not want and their fears of governmental control is coming true. In my opinion the very essence of Freedom comes from small unintrusive government! I see this as a form of socialism just packaged nicely to get it thru then the true intent of this bill will slide down the slope into true socialized medicine in years to come. I disagree with it as an american and want it repealed along with the education system, IRS and many other government agencies that are bloated and out of control! But it's time we take back the taxes and start shutting the doors on government agencies! Lets fire government! I can give you a perfect example, the department of education. Do we really need them anymore? I mean beyond the school house what do all those people do in that huge building filled with employees? 1,000's of workers doing what? do they educate 1 child? why do we need them? the list goes on and on! we need them for overseeing and managing the policies and procedures that impact our childrens education and for the funding and resources to keep up with the rest of the global market You know i beleive the accomplishments of the department of education must be noted, such as the civil rights era in the 1960's. I agree with your point and am all for tweaking the system to say cutting by 90%. I know that may seem extreme but in my opinion it is that far out of whack! I beleive we need to return the money to the local schools and shut down the overseers. the size of it has made it completely ineffective and a money drain on american taxes. It just has no bang for the buck! Now if our education was top notch i could agree but i think the department of education today is the problem no longer the solution! |
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I think it is the last place we need to cut, our children are FAILING and as cliche as it is they really are our future. Cut their source of funding and protection and you cut our future place in the world.
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