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Our children are failing because of false priorities, both at home and in government. You can throw all the money in the world at education, but if kids would rather hang out with their friends than learn, not a single dollar is going to have an impact. Families that taking an active, continuous, long-term interest in their children's education tend to have children who perform better academically. Stop blaming the teachers, the schools, and the government for something that should be solved at home. The more that children are allowed to slack off on education, the more the teachers have to teach to dumbest children. That means that the children who actually do achieve are being done a disservice by their own classmates. Even sadder is that those classmates are hurting themselves even more. When children play dumb to avoid learning or to look cool, the educational system lowers the bar of expectations. Because of increased educational demands in today's world that bar should be raised. Not everyone should be going to college. College is for those whose planned career path requires a greater level of education than average. It should not be the average. This is how the educational system always used to work in the U.S., and it made us the envy of the world. Learning is the responsibility of the child and his family. Schools are simply a service, an equal opportunity, offered to the entire population by the government as a cornerstone investment in our country's future. It requires an equal investment on the part of the individual to grant a return on the investment. Next, as far as Flat Rate Income Tax....I covered this in another thread. The budget is bloated, it can probably be slashed by 40%. That means that each person would pay somewhere between 12% and 15%, which is low end of current income tax brackets. With the current budget, the tax rate would need to be about 20% which is the current tax bracket for the lower middle class. These percentages fund THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET....they pay for Medicare and Social Security without any extra deductions or payroll taxes. No Federal gas tax, or cigarette tax, or booze tax....NOTHING. That means fewer taxes, and less money out of the pocket of virtually the entire population. Yes, that also means no federal business taxes. No inheritance tax, or capital gains tax, or luxury tax. How is this an excessive burden beyond what we already deal with? And lastly, I keep wondering when States' Rights are going to enter these discussions. Over the past few decades, federal government has steadily encroached upon the rights of the individual States as guaranteed by the Constitution. States have become increasing dependent on federal money just to continue operating, and some of this money is because of laws or executive orders at the federal level. The drinking age is one of example: if it's not 21, then we won't give you highway funding. Another is No Child Left Behind. How many other examples can you think of? Now that the States have been infringed upon, personal freedoms are being impinged too. Personally, I think this country is headed towards revolution or even civil war unless people begin standing up to the federal government. Learning is the responsibility of the child and his family. Schools are simply a service, an equal opportunity, offered to the entire population by the government as a cornerstone investment in our country's future. It requires an equal investment on the part of the individual to grant a return on the investment. this is kind of like saying health starts at home,, well no kidding but once it REACHES the doctors office the doctor cant shun off the responsibilities he has to provide care likewise with schools, it is a COMMUNITY effort, not just at home so when it is failing,,, you are damn straight it is because of both PARENTS, COMMUNITIES, and THE EDUCATION SYSTEM ITSELF no matter how smart a kid is, they arent going to be able to compete globally with children excelling in science and math when they are still in high schools teaching them to read 'the stinky bug' I knew kids failing at my schools. We had the same school and teachers etc. It's less often the school than the student. Not saying that there are not some bad schools out there but still. that doesnt explain the difference in college enrollments between districts,, unless we are to believe there is some environmental difference between kids in one district from the next,, I think its more likely a difference in the SCHOOLS,, my son came here from OHIO and I can tell you there is definitely a difference in the SCHOOLS I never understand the mindset that teachers arent at the school to give the children a competitive education that their PARENTS are working hard every day and paying taxes for, If its all the parents job to finance and PROVIDE the education, what is the point of teachers and schools? it frustrates me when people point fingers, instead of looking for how to improve,, the communities need improvement, the family units need improvement and the SCHOOLS NEED IMPROVEMENT I heard this on the radio today as a matter of fact, the interviewer asked 'can children get a good education in las vegas' and her response is ' they can if they want to'....wth? thats like putting a ten pound boulder on the back of a child who is racing against other kids in an uphill race and then being asked 'does he have a good chance of winning' and you say 'if he really wants to' Districts could have to do with neighborhoods and lifestyles. Peoples finances, etc. You can't always blame the schools. I am from Louisiana and we are ranked like 44th in education and I think I turned out just fine. |
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Our children are failing because of false priorities, both at home and in government. You can throw all the money in the world at education, but if kids would rather hang out with their friends than learn, not a single dollar is going to have an impact. Families that taking an active, continuous, long-term interest in their children's education tend to have children who perform better academically. Stop blaming the teachers, the schools, and the government for something that should be solved at home. The more that children are allowed to slack off on education, the more the teachers have to teach to dumbest children. That means that the children who actually do achieve are being done a disservice by their own classmates. Even sadder is that those classmates are hurting themselves even more. When children play dumb to avoid learning or to look cool, the educational system lowers the bar of expectations. Because of increased educational demands in today's world that bar should be raised. Not everyone should be going to college. College is for those whose planned career path requires a greater level of education than average. It should not be the average. This is how the educational system always used to work in the U.S., and it made us the envy of the world. Learning is the responsibility of the child and his family. Schools are simply a service, an equal opportunity, offered to the entire population by the government as a cornerstone investment in our country's future. It requires an equal investment on the part of the individual to grant a return on the investment. Next, as far as Flat Rate Income Tax....I covered this in another thread. The budget is bloated, it can probably be slashed by 40%. That means that each person would pay somewhere between 12% and 15%, which is low end of current income tax brackets. With the current budget, the tax rate would need to be about 20% which is the current tax bracket for the lower middle class. These percentages fund THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET....they pay for Medicare and Social Security without any extra deductions or payroll taxes. No Federal gas tax, or cigarette tax, or booze tax....NOTHING. That means fewer taxes, and less money out of the pocket of virtually the entire population. Yes, that also means no federal business taxes. No inheritance tax, or capital gains tax, or luxury tax. How is this an excessive burden beyond what we already deal with? And lastly, I keep wondering when States' Rights are going to enter these discussions. Over the past few decades, federal government has steadily encroached upon the rights of the individual States as guaranteed by the Constitution. States have become increasing dependent on federal money just to continue operating, and some of this money is because of laws or executive orders at the federal level. The drinking age is one of example: if it's not 21, then we won't give you highway funding. Another is No Child Left Behind. How many other examples can you think of? Now that the States have been infringed upon, personal freedoms are being impinged too. Personally, I think this country is headed towards revolution or even civil war unless people begin standing up to the federal government. Learning is the responsibility of the child and his family. Schools are simply a service, an equal opportunity, offered to the entire population by the government as a cornerstone investment in our country's future. It requires an equal investment on the part of the individual to grant a return on the investment. this is kind of like saying health starts at home,, well no kidding but once it REACHES the doctors office the doctor cant shun off the responsibilities he has to provide care likewise with schools, it is a COMMUNITY effort, not just at home so when it is failing,,, you are damn straight it is because of both PARENTS, COMMUNITIES, and THE EDUCATION SYSTEM ITSELF no matter how smart a kid is, they arent going to be able to compete globally with children excelling in science and math when they are still in high schools teaching them to read 'the stinky bug' I knew kids failing at my schools. We had the same school and teachers etc. It's less often the school than the student. Not saying that there are not some bad schools out there but still. that doesnt explain the difference in college enrollments between districts,, unless we are to believe there is some environmental difference between kids in one district from the next,, I think its more likely a difference in the SCHOOLS,, my son came here from OHIO and I can tell you there is definitely a difference in the SCHOOLS I never understand the mindset that teachers arent at the school to give the children a competitive education that their PARENTS are working hard every day and paying taxes for, If its all the parents job to finance and PROVIDE the education, what is the point of teachers and schools? it frustrates me when people point fingers, instead of looking for how to improve,, the communities need improvement, the family units need improvement and the SCHOOLS NEED IMPROVEMENT I heard this on the radio today as a matter of fact, the interviewer asked 'can children get a good education in las vegas' and her response is ' they can if they want to'....wth? thats like putting a ten pound boulder on the back of a child who is racing against other kids in an uphill race and then being asked 'does he have a good chance of winning' and you say 'if he really wants to' Districts could have to do with neighborhoods and lifestyles. Peoples finances, etc. You can't always blame the schools. I am from Louisiana and we are ranked like 44th in education and I think I turned out just fine. you cant always blame the schools, except when the NUMBERS indicate somethign is wrong there(district wide, city wide, state wide) in spite of doesnt alleviate the reasonable expectation that my taxes are being paid for children to succeed BECAUSE of many people do many things IN SPITE of injustices and unreasonable obstacles, but that doesnt mean we do nothing about the injustice or the unreasonable obstacles |
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt.
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared |
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared I agree, High school did not prepare me in any way for college. I should have tried harder in college, but it would have helped if I actually earned my diploma, instead just being pushed through. |
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared I agree, High school did not prepare me in any way for college. I should have tried harder in college, but it would have helped if I actually earned my diploma, instead just being pushed through. its amazing how little some educators care about whether the students are learning, when that is their PRIMARY job(unlike the parents) I was very frustrated with the state of las vegas schools coming from Ohio,, it will probably be a private school for my daughter or we will be moving to another state |
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared I agree, High school did not prepare me in any way for college. I should have tried harder in college, but it would have helped if I actually earned my diploma, instead just being pushed through. its amazing how little some educators care about whether the students are learning, when that is their PRIMARY job(unlike the parents) I was very frustrated with the state of las vegas schools coming from Ohio,, it will probably be a private school for my daughter or we will be moving to another state You have completely ignored why some districts have poor schools. Across the nation as state and municipal budgets face deficits and cutbacks, the residents continually vote against education budgets. When a school is underfunded because the residents of the district keep fighting the education budget, of course teachers are going to become disheartened. Add onto that children that use cellphones to cheat on tests and exams, parents calling their children during class just to check on them, the "popularity game"....There are a lot of reasons why large schools in poorer districts don't provide quality education. More often than not, it isn't the faculty's fault. Many of them are paying for supplies and texts out of their own pockets. Once again, it comes down to the children and their families. If education is important to families, then they won't always fight the education budget. Plus there are alternative ways to learn. When I was in high school, I had teachers who allowed me to fall asleep in class. It wasn't because they weren't doing their job, but because they knew I already knew the material. I was the last person the teacher would call on to answer a question, and that's because they knew I would have the right answer. I even had a couple classes where I had to teach myself the material because the teacher made no sense to me. I adapted and overcame. In fact, if not for a 4 year English requirement, I should have been able to graduate high school after my junior year. As far as I'm concerned, turning away from public schools isn't the answer - it's ignoring the problem. As for high school preparing kids for college....THAT'S NOT IT'S PURPOSE. Education standards have been repeated lowered by several states. Meanwhile, the job market demands increased education. The school system's purpose is to create an intelligent and educated workforce....to give people the knowledge they require to enter the real world and find employment in the areas that only require general, non-specialized knowledge. I'm not talking Burger King, or hauling trash. I'm talking about entry-level manufacturing, or even basic skills that allow one to learn a trade. A proper high school education should allow a person to get a decent job and have a chance at upward mobility without the need of a college degree. Once again, it is the people that have the chance to make education work or to fix it. After all, we are the ones who turned a blind eye, who have voted against education budgets, who allowed our governments to lower the standard for education, who police our children's study habits at home, who choose not to study or seek extra help when we are students, who refuse to have fundraisers to help buy underfunded schools the supplies they need, and so on. People need to stop looking to have everything done for them, and take some responsibility for themselves and their communities. Instead, most people can't be bothered....they complain, but they won't take constructive action. |
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You are making it sound like we have such horrible schools and how the Education is so bad when it isnt. Yes I think the parents and children are more responsible than the schools. Everyone in the same class is getting the same material from the teacher. The students need to do their assignments and studying at home as well and parents need to help their kids if they need it. If you are a parent your kids needs are your primary job.
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared I agree, High school did not prepare me in any way for college. I should have tried harder in college, but it would have helped if I actually earned my diploma, instead just being pushed through. its amazing how little some educators care about whether the students are learning, when that is their PRIMARY job(unlike the parents) I was very frustrated with the state of las vegas schools coming from Ohio,, it will probably be a private school for my daughter or we will be moving to another state You have completely ignored why some districts have poor schools. Across the nation as state and municipal budgets face deficits and cutbacks, the residents continually vote against education budgets. When a school is underfunded because the residents of the district keep fighting the education budget, of course teachers are going to become disheartened. Add onto that children that use cellphones to cheat on tests and exams, parents calling their children during class just to check on them, the "popularity game"....There are a lot of reasons why large schools in poorer districts don't provide quality education. More often than not, it isn't the faculty's fault. Many of them are paying for supplies and texts out of their own pockets. Once again, it comes down to the children and their families. If education is important to families, then they won't always fight the education budget. Plus there are alternative ways to learn. When I was in high school, I had teachers who allowed me to fall asleep in class. It wasn't because they weren't doing their job, but because they knew I already knew the material. I was the last person the teacher would call on to answer a question, and that's because they knew I would have the right answer. I even had a couple classes where I had to teach myself the material because the teacher made no sense to me. I adapted and overcame. In fact, if not for a 4 year English requirement, I should have been able to graduate high school after my junior year. As far as I'm concerned, turning away from public schools isn't the answer - it's ignoring the problem. As for high school preparing kids for college....THAT'S NOT IT'S PURPOSE. Education standards have been repeated lowered by several states. Meanwhile, the job market demands increased education. The school system's purpose is to create an intelligent and educated workforce....to give people the knowledge they require to enter the real world and find employment in the areas that only require general, non-specialized knowledge. I'm not talking Burger King, or hauling trash. I'm talking about entry-level manufacturing, or even basic skills that allow one to learn a trade. A proper high school education should allow a person to get a decent job and have a chance at upward mobility without the need of a college degree. Once again, it is the people that have the chance to make education work or to fix it. After all, we are the ones who turned a blind eye, who have voted against education budgets, who allowed our governments to lower the standard for education, who police our children's study habits at home, who choose not to study or seek extra help when we are students, who refuse to have fundraisers to help buy underfunded schools the supplies they need, and so on. People need to stop looking to have everything done for them, and take some responsibility for themselves and their communities. Instead, most people can't be bothered....they complain, but they won't take constructive action. Im really not ignoring anything. I am pointing out that part of the 'people' People need to stop looking to have everything done for them, and take some responsibility for themselves and their communities includes school educators and administrators who are being PAID to educate the children not just sit back and brush it all on the parents parents need to be more involved, YES, however, parents have jobs of their own that often consume quite a bit of time and effort, ,,the educators JOB is educating the children and that should be where THEIR time and efforts are focused the ten plus hours a day they are paid to do so |
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You are making it sound like we have such horrible schools and how the Education is so bad when it isnt. Yes I think the parents and children are more responsible than the schools. Everyone in the same class is getting the same material from the teacher. The students need to do their assignments and studying at home as well and parents need to help their kids if they need it. If you are a parent your kids needs are your primary job. My kids NEEDS also involve food and shelter(in fact education is not a need, but an additional resource to learn about providing ones own needs)which require me to work MOST hours of the day while IM entrusting EDUCATORS(who are receiving income to provide for their kids 'needs') to educate and prepare my child to compete in the world. YES, everyone in the same CLASS is getting the same material, but not all SCHOOLS are getting the same material or teaching by the same standard, thats why you get kids graduating from these SCHOOLS where everyone got the same material who cannot COMPETE in the world with students from other SCHOOLS around the country. I am involved in my sons education and I see first hand the LAX attitude of administrators and educators regarding whether the children LEARN. Kids feel good when they accomplish things, they dont always feel motivation and that is the job of adults(both parents AND educators) to help them with, however educators get PAID to do so right now its like we have a doctor who only has a 25 percent rate of success improving or maintaining their patients health and their response is 'the patients dont WANT to get better',,,I cry boo cocka I havent given up on public schools, that is why I suggested moving as well as considering private, but my childs future comes first and if the public school isnt working, they arent going. |
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Oh so now we are bending on education? Well then...
A study was conducted in both NY and Los Angeles school districts across several counties in a blind comparison. Oddly a racial demographic kept popping up that no one seen coming. It broke down like this... Of the question "what is your ambition after High School?" the answers were stunning: "Well off" Schools: White: College, career, some military, a few entertainers/sports stars. Black: Same as Above Hispanic: Same as above with a slight bend towards business ownership Asian: Same as the first two. Poor Schools: White: Getting out of the crap neighborhood they live in, college, military, and again a few entertainers and sports stars. Black: Sports Stars, Entertainers (rappers), drug dealers, thugs, Soaking off of welfare. Hispanic: Getting a job! This is the #1 reason most Hispanics drop out of HS anyways! Some wanted College, some opted for military, a few opted for the criminal lifestyle. Asian: College, Decent Jobs, Getting out of the crap neighborhood! Note that this study was conducted across several counties and in multiple metropolitan school districts. Now who is really to blame for the failures of our schools? 1. Parents. 2. Administration. 3. Government both State and Federal. 4. The students themselves. 5. Under-qualified teachers. In that order! It is a poor artist that blames their brush. Like I said before, there is a reason poor people stay poor. It is their mentality! Again there is a huge difference with coping with poverty and being poor. Oddly the results of the study were not conclusive to just this one study conducted in the late 1990's. MULTIPLE studies conducted over the course of time to see where students in HS wanted to go in their lives reflect these answers repeatedly. The whole Rapper gangsta lifestyle mislead so many black youths in the wrong direction and their parents bought into it to placate their kids and their senses of freedom. Likewise their parents looking for an individual cultural identity led their children down the path of self destruction. Frankly ANY employer hiring fresh blood does not want a black person acting like a Ghetto Ni@@er rap star applying for a professional job. They want a black man of education and motivation. That does not mean he has to act white or be some whitewashed individual. And what is worst is that among the black community a black man who achieves and does not act Ghetto is branded and hated by their own. Blacks who hate Obama and see him for the Half and Half liar he is are hated among their own as Uncle Toms. Stop blaming schools for Social problems that have nothing to do with education. People are the seeds of their own self destruction! |
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Moving on now!
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Now, would you like to add anything to this debate or just more unfounded accusations and distractions to other posters? You mean like you just did... Republicans place many viable alternatives in front of congress and the senate... Some were 'voted' into 'committee' and 'stagnated' there... Some were penned out of legislation by Senator H. Reid (using his position as a legislative 'nuclear' weapon)... Some where never allowed to even be debated... Spin = lie. |
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You are making it sound like we have such horrible schools and how the Education is so bad when it isnt. Yes I think the parents and children are more responsible than the schools. Everyone in the same class is getting the same material from the teacher. The students need to do their assignments and studying at home as well and parents need to help their kids if they need it. If you are a parent your kids needs are your primary job. Low income parent... Kids needs are... Food, heat, water, roof, safe place... Education comes in dead last when balanced against these. |
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Now, would you like to add anything to this debate or just more unfounded accusations and distractions to other posters? You mean like you just did... Republicans place many viable alternatives in front of congress and the senate... Some were 'voted' into 'committee' and 'stagnated' there... Some were penned out of legislation by Senator H. Reid (using his position as a legislative 'nuclear' weapon)... Some where never allowed to even be debated... Spin = lie. Again we don't agree with everything but you hit this one out of the park! Take your base! The Dems are JUST as evil as the Republicans with one twist, they are MORE evil! they are not about finding the middle ground. They are about power mongering. Mr. H Reid needs to step down! |
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I blame it all on Bush!
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared The only thing I see in Nevada's Public Schools that are different from the rest of the nation and could account for the low scores is demographics. Nevada has a very large percentage of Hispanics. Almost equal to whites and a very low percentage of blacks. Expenditures per student are the same as most other states as well as the pupil to teacher ratio. Ohio, whom you continue to reference, spends about $2k more per student. NC, where I live, spends the same as Nevada, but our scores compare equally with Ohio's. Nevada's scores are abysmal but I can't see anything that accounts for it. Other than the almost equal percentage of Hispanic to white percentage. Could it be possible that Nevada suffers the same problems as the other border states in this regard? Children with illegal parents have an extremely high drop out rate (77%) and problems keeping up due to an initial language barrier. |
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You are missing my whole point entirely. I am not arguing against improving schools. I am saying quit blaming schools for peoples lack of education. The kids also have to take responsibility for their education. If kids have a good teacher but don't study they probably wont learn. If their teacher is just ok but they study they will learn. There are plenty of kids that don't do their HW. Whose fault is that? I didn't do well in school because I had good teachers ( though I had some good ones as far as me liking them anyway) I did good because I would get in trouble at home if I didnt. Im not blaming, Im arguing that responsibility lies in the school AS MUCH as with anyone else, because all are supposed to be working to educate the children , to be the adults, instead of just expecting the child to take ALL RESPONSIBILITY and INITIATIVE. I dont like when peoples answer to the crisis is 'if the kids tried harder', anymore than I like hearing 'if the schools were doing their jobs' the schools cant do their jobs without kids who are prepared, granted but the kids cant become prepared without SCHOOLS who are doing their job we have far too few of both schools doing their job AND students being prepared The only thing I see in Nevada's Public Schools that are different from the rest of the nation and could account for the low scores is demographics. Nevada has a very large percentage of Hispanics. Almost equal to whites and a very low percentage of blacks. Expenditures per student are the same as most other states as well as the pupil to teacher ratio. Ohio, whom you continue to reference, spends about $2k more per student. NC, where I live, spends the same as Nevada, but our scores compare equally with Ohio's. Nevada's scores are abysmal but I can't see anything that accounts for it. Other than the almost equal percentage of Hispanic to white percentage. Could it be possible that Nevada suffers the same problems as the other border states in this regard? Children with illegal parents have an extremely high drop out rate (77%) and problems keeping up due to an initial language barrier. I still say blame on Bush!all started with him... |
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Calif, AZ, and N Mex also have low scores.
Tex is the only border state which has scores comparable to the rest of the US. |
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Calif, and N Mex have expenditures per student almost as identical to Ohio. $2k more than Nevada, and their scores are still low. So it isn't the money causing the problem.
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