Oops, my bad.
Being a moron is acting like a 10 year old.
Thinking you understand something you don't is ignorance.

And ya TLW, this topic is going nowhere.

I must be onto something; you guys keep getting defensive.

i don't have to defend anything because ur attempts are so groundless. Think a bit more and maybe u'll call my attention.

Cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger .Now share with the fat boy .Chris I truly believe even you don't know what you believe.I honestly think you started this post to cause dissention between people.Everyone believes in something,whether it be Allah,Christ,Buddah,or whatever else(no disrespect intended if I did not mention your specific "God")Faith is what keeps this world moving.Without faith in something there would be nothing.You have been given plenty of information and now you're just being an antagonist.

Information? More like "You're wrong, I'm right because I said so"

chrisjayjay,

How was the universe created?

What is matter? Where does it come from?

What is an atom but a tiny bit of matter ... large amounts of space and some electrons in orbit... beneath that smaller bits with even more space. Particles dancing in and out of this plane of existence. When they disappear, where do they go? When they re-appear, where did they come from?

My question is what is this energy, this life force, this consciousness that keeps it all in motion? As far as I can tell, it always has been, always is, always will be ... hmmm, that sounds a little like faith to me...

"How was the universe created? "

I don't know, I wasn't around to see it happen. Were you?

chrisjayjay,

Was the universe created at all by any means or force? Either answer is an answer of faith, you have no proof either way.

Wow - this thread is all over the place. I will respond to the first post though, and move on from there.

1) Man cannot walk on water? I have. Walked across Lake Winnapasaukee when it was frozen solid in my youth. Ice is water in a frozen state. And I believe Jesus walked on water because there was eye witness account.

2) Turn water into wine? And why not? Here too - eye witness account.

3) Jesus was not the only one to come back from the dead. Lazurous did. Here too - eye witness account.

So where's the myth?

Differentkindof wench;

I believe the bible is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

lj

i think the person who started this thread is just starved for attention. a bully wanting to start a fight. you dont believe that the bible is truth, fine. but dont go throwing beliefs in the faces of people who do believe in miracles or taunting them with reasons why you dont believe the same thing. a debate is fine, but you cant really debate something that is based on faith and not fact. we'll all just be shouting in circles, and learning and understanding nothing. some things are unexplainable, it doesnt mean they arent true. thats something worth believing in.

"Was the universe created at all by any means or force? Either answer is an answer of faith, you have no proof either way."

Yeah, but that assumes two things. One is that there are no other "options" and the other is that not knowing can be about answer.

"Wow - this thread is all over the place. I will respond to the first post though, and move on from there.

1) Man cannot walk on water? I have. Walked across Lake Winnapasaukee when it was frozen solid in my youth. Ice is water in a frozen state. And I believe Jesus walked on water because there was eye witness account.

2) Turn water into wine? And why not? Here too - eye witness account.

3) Jesus was not the only one to come back from the dead. Lazurous did. Here too - eye witness account.

So where's the myth? "

Easily refuted - You may not know this, but I've been alive forever. I didn't see jesus walk on water or turn water into wine. There. That's my eye-witness account that refutes this. No more should you believe some guy in sandals turned water into wine nor that he walked on water. Hey, my eye-witness account said so.

See how useful an eye-witness account is?

chrisjayjay,

I was offering big bang and God as possible creators. But can we all agree the universe exists? If the universe exists, it has an origin. Any opinion on how the universe was created, except for "I dunno" is based on faith. What do most people want from a spouse? Someone who is faithful. Someone who is faithful is someone you can put your faith in. Each of us puts faith into many different things, events and people, so who are we to judge what others put their faith into? I know your original post was made for shock value and you probably don't put too much thought into the subject, but maybe it was a cry for help. Ask yourself this question "If there is a God, do I want to know Him?". If your answer is "Yes", send me an email and I'll offer you some guidance, if it's "No", then keep on truckin' man.

chrisjayjay,

"See how useful an eye-witness account is?"

Hmmm.

You need to read what Simon Greenleaf wrote about the accuracy of the Bible. If you read about the apostles, you will see that they all denied Jesus and let him die among theives. They were afraid for their lives and with good cause. Fourty days later, the 11 apostles started to minister to the people about Jesus. 10 of them died horrible deaths and one survived being boiled alive in oil, otherwise they would have all been killed. All of them were persecuted, beaten, tortured and eventually murdered for their beliefs, except for John who only escaped the murder part. So basically, if someone previously denied a belief and then later was willing to suffer and die for that belief, something drastic must have happened to change their belief. Simon Greenleaf, the atheist attorney could only come to one conclusion, they must have believed what they were saying and the only reason they would believe is if Jesus really did come back from the dead. He became a Christian, because to him the logic and what he understood of human behavior made the conclusion inescapable.

ummm for those not really following the other forums...

chris' pervious topic was "flatulence" performed
in an extremely offensive manner. it is just possible
that this was proposed as flamebait.

it is under the limit. i'm throwing it back.

it would not be considered a miracle

if it was scientifically acceptable would it

and if it is not a miracle then why would it matter

just a thought

but hey what do i know

and still your contentions are groundless. just a little boy crying for attention.
i agree with celticriket.
think a bit more to see if u can challenge my mind, for now your words are just like gasses.

"You need to read what Simon Greenleaf wrote about the accuracy of the Bible. If you read about the apostles, you will see that they all denied Jesus and let him die among theives. They were afraid for their lives and with good cause. Fourty days later, the 11 apostles started to minister to the people about Jesus. 10 of them died horrible deaths and one survived being boiled alive in oil, otherwise they would have all been killed. All of them were persecuted, beaten, tortured and eventually murdered for their beliefs, except for John who only escaped the murder part. So basically, if someone previously denied a belief and then later was willing to suffer and die for that belief, something drastic must have happened to change their belief. Simon Greenleaf, the atheist attorney could only come to one conclusion, they must have believed what they were saying and the only reason they would believe is if Jesus really did come back from the dead. He became a Christian, because to him the logic and what he understood of human behavior made the conclusion inescapable. "

Well, yeah. What better way to convince someone to believe in something that with that kind of sick, twisted ****?

Oh and LonelyWalker - Nice burger.