Dayv, I agree. Big advocate of prayer. I've said a prayer twice today, and have one coming tonight, I think.
Kat

Okay bro,if you go back in history look at several things.First is the Bible the only book that discusses creation........NO.One of the oldest books known to man "Gilgamesh" which was written approx. 1000 years before Christ talks of "the great flood",I wonder what it's in reference to......hmmmmmm.Even Muslims believe in Christ,not in the same sense Christians do but....hello.

havent EVER been able to disprove one word of the bible myself

A couple of interesting Max Planck quotes (German theoretical physicist that originated quantum theory)

“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”

“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.”

Science and God are not in conflict. Many of the things so called learned men call proof of the falsehood of the Bible are not in conflict and they are not as wise as they think. If they understood the truth of the Bible better they would find no conflict between the Bible and their limited knowledge of science.

Even those who are Bible scholars have made big mistakes in understanding. Even in Christ on words to those of the temple. "In the scriptures you do error." They would have had the best understanding around and they were in error.

With so much false wisedom no wonder people do not believe and understand. "Lean not unto your own understanding." The Bible explains itself. Here a little there a little. This was done on purpose by God himself. Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. Only the sincere would go to so much trouble and the ones that are not, are protected from knowing too much for them to be accountable for. If one had gain the truth and then turned away, there would be no more sacrifice for their salvation. God has protected those and will open the books for them in the time of their understanding. God is good!

Mmmhmm...I'm not buying it. Barring the existence of mythical creatures, I'm still not seeing how a human body could actually walk on water. Did the guy have some camera tricks? Maybe Jesus was David Blaine?

Gilgamesh!

The account of the flood was written by Moses. A flood that happened long before Gilgamesh. All peoples that were of Noah would have had this story. Noah's people populated the lands becomimg tribes and powers.


People believe other people that they THINK have correct knowledge. Those smart science folks had the wrong head on a dinosaur for 60 years. Opps!

Even the Bible has errors....what....yes....because of mans understanding there are some errors. But there are none in the scriptures. One must go back to the Hebrew/Caldian and Greek to correct their mistakes. If you want to understand Get a Strong's concordance with dictionaries.

I asked all I could find why some words were in italics in the Bible, even the preachers could not tell me. Its in the front of the Bible. I asked why some things were in ( ). They were lost as a goose. I hunted it out. These two things that they don't know about clouds their minds from understanding. These are those that teach others false teachings.

Hear all things then search to see if these things are so.

And a frog can not float in the air. Opps!

Under a high magnetic field frogs have been made to float weightless. Science folks did this.

But until they did it was just a fairy tail theory.

There is much we do not know how to do. YET!

Mythical creatures! The unicorn...this was a caes of mans understanding instead of the truth. At the time of translation the greek influence was great in thought of the learned. When they read its power was in its horn/horns they choose horn and believed that it must have been a unicorn. The truth is found in the Hebrew....it was a wild bull or oxen....not a unicorn. Even the scriptures shows their error. The Bible has errors but the scriptures do not.

One man now a preacher who was teaching children and preaching some in the church, he did not understand and figured out that the unicorn did not get on the ark. The guy was teaching the kids this. He now has his own church. Ignorane begets ignorance.

Yes, because Gilgamesh has been proven a 100% true story.

A man once said, "I am here!"

Another man said, "Prove it!"

He said'"I stand before you, can you not see me."

The other said,"I suffer a dillusion, you are a trick of my mind."



You can never prove anything to an unsound thinking mind! A logical mind can never have reason with a illogical mind."

Cyclops writes:

" A man once said, "I am here!"

Another man said, "Prove it!"

He said'"I stand before you, can you not see me."

The other said,"I suffer a dillusion, you are a trick of my mind."



You can never prove anything to an unsound thinking mind! A logical mind can never have reason with a illogical mind."


From the AI Koans page on Wikipedia:

"In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6."What are you doing?", asked Minsky."I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-tac-toe", Sussman replied."Why is the net wired randomly?", asked Minsky."I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play", Sussman said.

Minsky then shut his eyes."Why do you close your eyes?" Sussman asked his teacher."So that the room will be empty."
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened."

Insinuating that anyone who doesn't have the same perspective as yours is the victim of mental illness is a lot like this koan.

Besides, it's not nice.

-Kerry O.

Sir!

If you will read there was no implied mental defect.

If a person chooses to find unsound logic to support ones view, it is by choice not by mental defect.

The choice of smart remarks is also a choice and not a sign of mental defect.

If a person will not consider anothers words that is by choice and not mental defect.

These things are unsound and illogical only.


You are in error in claiming I judged the man at all as to mental defect. I do not judge the man at all.

One can come up with all types of things to null a point. This was the point in the example I choose to show. It was no reflection on his mental.

Unsound means reasonless....without reasoning it out, to think about it, consider. Perhaps you should consider other definitions before assuming I was saying he had a mental defect.

I also did not point that at him.

It was a statement to end my part in the topic due to a pointless continuance.

Thats was my purpose, not to insult the man.

I have great insults to use if I had choosen.....and I cut no slack in use when I choose.

Those would have been unkind....but I have no issue with the man.

Regarding the original post (and some that followed):
Your position is not taking faith into account. Faith is believing without proof. I know many christians that live by the creed "God said it, I believe it, that settles it."
I remember hearing that we can believe the sun is coming up tomorrow but we don't know for sure until tomorrow. And well, that's faith.

Here is a better question for you. Does what you believe work for you?

"Faith is believing without proof."

Hmm, so faith is being a moron. I understand.

chrisjayjay,

How was the universe created?

Faith comes in many subjects.

Do you work all week expecting to be paid without proof that you will. Faith.

Do you go to bed taking for granted the sun will be there. Faith.

To believe God without proof is a form of faith.

Faith with proof is no longer faith it is proof.

You can not find proof of God so you now have a faith that God is not real...without proof.

If God is not real for you...why do you fight against something that is not real. Why do you fight shadows.

In truth your reasons for this post are other reasons than your topic. Go in peace!

no chris, being a moron is saying I understand when you don't.

i've never seen an individual as lost as this poor guy.
the other non-believers around here at least think.