what has that to do with being asked if one will stand with muslims?

read it a few more times and you should get it

Not to be cynical but have you even read a Quaran? Do it. It is ALL spelled out in their Bible! I read it and was horrified to see what it says! it DOES seriously spell out how to conduct yourself in the presence of infidels like you and me! Makes me want to gut a pig in a mosque to defile the ground!

I'm fairly confident that the Quran says nothing about infidels, although it does say to kill those that attack you...but if you grab any book of any faith you can find a line that you can twist to present a threat. Christianity has been preaching that God is against homosexuality for years, even though the Christian bible says very little about homosexuality and it all pertains to a point in time when people weren't nearly as developed and different as they are today.

However, the word 'infidel' does not show up in the Quran at all.

Have you read the Quran?

I think all religions are rubbish.



On Punishing ‘Immorality’

Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.
Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
On Destroying Other People

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.
On the Evil of Biblical Law

Ezekiel 20:25-26 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.
On Slavery & Subjugation of Women

Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.
2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Leviticus 25:44-45
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property
http://home.earthlink.net/~owl233/biblequotes.htm

Do you think I give a **** about your opinion? You've been spewing hatred out like crazy and backing it incorrectly with a bible, I could really care less what you have to say.

I think the issue is that INFIDEL is not a quranic word but an ENGLISH/CHRISTIAN term often used in many translations.


here is a site with several different interpretations as well as the original arabic,, you can put any of the above verses in and see what it TRULY looks like and then how it has been interpreted

I would also suggest(if interested) reading perhaps a full chapter or half chapter instead of just one verse to understand the context of the writings,,,



http://islam.thetruecall.com/Quran_Chapter_2:89.htm

Spewing hatred huh?It's not my opinion it's a fact.If you feel the need to debate current events then you going to have to present facts from a neutral website.If you can't post facts or if you want to say they are facts when then there is really no reason to debate with us.

Maybe instead of getting pissed off,cursing,and acting stupid you can back up your so called facts with facts instead of insulting anyone who corrects what you claim is facts.

I'm trying to be civil and factual.Why don't you try it sometime.

all religous books have hundreds of thousands of websites with lists of VERSE after VERSE to discredit them or prove them hateful, violent, or bigoted


I just advise anyone truly interested in a balance to look forward, for themself, and read(in context) more than just isolated passages chosen with an agenda,,,,

Their BOOK tells them to act like they are friends with infidels until they get an opportunity to either convert them or cause harm to them, plysically.

That's all I've done...some people just refuse to learn.

You obviously don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about.As usual you are only debating this topic for the sole reason of disagreeing with the usual people you can't stand regardless if the facts are real or not.


How about doing 5 minutes of research next time.


http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm

God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Quran 2:89-2:90, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 13


I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177


Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206

Anyone who is not a believe in Islam is considered a infidel.Who really cares if you use the term infidel or unbeliever.The point is they really don't care.You really think you could preach Christianity in Saudi Arabia,Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan with out getting your head cut off?How many times have we heard Muslims preaching violence towards any country who apposes Islam using the quran for their justification.How many times have we seen leaders of middle eastern countries applauding and calling for violence towards Israel and the United states for the sole reason that they are Jews and Christians.Are you really going to tell me with a straight face that Islam has nothing to do with their frame of thinking?Islam has everything to do with their way of thinking.Every violent act,every terrorist attack,every bombing is being conducted for the sake of destroying the infidel or anyone who is not a Muslim.

You can play all the smoke and mirrors all you want.Unless you can debunk every one of these quran bible verses as false then I don't know what to tell you.



"About sixty-one percent of the contents of the Koran are found to speak ill of the unbelievers or call for their violent conquest; at best only 2.6 percent of the verses of the Koran are noted to show goodwill toward humanity. About seventy-five percent of Muhammad's biography (Sira) consists of jihad waged on unbelievers."

Dr. Moorthy Muthuswamy

(Quotes below are from N.J. Dawood's The Koran: with a Parallel Arabic Text, Penguin Classics, 1990)


Let not believers make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does this has nothing to hope for from Good - except in self-defense. God admonishes you to fear Him: for to God shall all return.

Quran 3:28; "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 52

God's curse be upon the infidels! Evil is that for which they have bartered away their souls. To deny God's own revelation, grudging that He should reveal His bounty to whom He chooses from among His servants! They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits the unbelievers.

Quran 2:89-2:90, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 13

Lord...Give us victory over the unbelievers.

Quran 2:286, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 46

"Lord...give us victory over the unbelievers."

Quran 3:148, "The Imrans," Dawood, p. 67

I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers.

Quran 8:12, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 177

Fight for the sake of God those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. God does not love the aggressors.

Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage.

Quran 2:190-2:191, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 28

When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186

Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

Quran 9:73, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 198

Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous.

Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206

Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed with rods of iron.

Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: "Taste the torment of the Conflagration!"

Quran 22:19-20, "The Pilgrimage," Dawood, p. 333

Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

Quran 48:29, "Victory," Dawood, p. 514

Those that deny Our revelations We will burn in fire. No sooner will their skins be consumed than We shall give them other skins, so that they may truly taste the scourge. God is mighty and wise.

Quran 4:56, "Women," Dawood, p. 86

Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land.

Quran 5:33, "The Table," Dawood, p. 112

When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Quran 47:4, "Muhammad," Dawood, p. 506

Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy...

Quran 8:59-60, "The Spoils," Dawood, p. 183

Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrong-doers.

Quran 5:51, "The Table," Dawood, p. 116

Believers, know that the idolaters [non-Muslims] are unclean. Let them not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year is ended.

Quran 9:28, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 190

The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Quran 98:6, "The Proof," Dawood, p. 598

OOps againg thought I was reading the bible.

It is pretty scarey when you take these religious books to heart huh?