Well then, what was your goal in posting about your beliefs? Do you envision yourself as a teacher or a student? Is it not possible to be both teacher and student?

Do you think there is any person alive today from whom you could not learn something? Do you think you are any different from everyone else – that you have ‘nothing’ to teach or 'nothing' to learn?

By what means do you think the success of a teacher is measured?

Personally, I think the measure of a teacher’s success is found in what the teacher learned from the student.

If a teacher learns nothing through the experience of teaching, it is not the fault of the student.

If a student leans nothing from a teacher, it is not the fault of the teacher.

To be either, teacher or student, one must be good at being both.

Determine what qualities (characteristics) you would value in both a teacher and a student and incorporate those values into your world view. Life here is short, but as long as we live we have more to learn and more to teach.

It's people like you that drive the wedge between us. It's you that feels we're judging you. We're not judging anyone, we our selves are failures with sin every day, we are no greater then you or any one else. So again you're merely trying to find a scapegoat and put the blame on someone else.

I'm not the one who is trying to convince you to believe in my religion, or accusing you of turning away from God if you refuse to believe in it.

I don't care what you personally believe. If you want to believe in the Christian scriptures more power to you!

I'll even gladly worship God right beside you. You worship God through Jesus, and I'll worship God through the Moon Goddess, or some other ritual that I feel comfortable with at the time. It's not a problem at all. You don't need to believe in the Moon Goddess, Eastern mysticism or anything. That's not important to me in the slightest. Just respect that this is how I worship God, and I'll respect that you worship God through Jesus.

We are both worshiping the ONLY GOD that exists. The Creator of this universe.

I can accept that wholeheartedly.

If you can too, then there's NO PROBLEM

If you have a problem with that, then who's the one with the problem again?

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Cowboy wrote:

I'm not trying to make you believe what I believe either. Just won't stand on the sidelines when someone says it's a lie, it's not true, it's hearsay rumours, or anything of such. It doesn't matter to me if you believe or not, just won't allow someone to say bad things and or try to paint him out to be a bad person. So you can keep your religion to yourself. Weather you wish to believe it or not, you are trying to convince people to believe in your religion. And yes even if you are an atheist, atheism is nevertheless a religion. You're saying my belief is not the truth, so therefore with that it would state that what you believe in is the truth. So please don't tell me you're not trying to spread your lies.

I tell no lies. I offer nothing but HONEST OPINIONS.

There is no lie in an HONEST opinion.

Besides you claim that all other religions are LIES when you demand that your bible and Christ is the ONLY TRUE WORD OF GOD.

Christianity breeds hypocrisy in precisely this way. You claim to everyone that only your Jesus is the only way to God and that all other religions are lies. Then when someone suggests that maybe it's the bible that is lie, you won't STAND for that?

What kind of arrogant hypocrisy is that?

Moreover, all I do is respond to people telling them why I don't believe their claims that the Bible is the word of God.

So you're going to demand that the Bible is the "Word of God" and they you refuse to "STAND" for me explaining why I feel that it's not.

That's ridiculous.

All humans have a right to comment on any texts that have been written by other humans who claim to speak for the creator of all mankind.

I'm a human being, and that gives me the right, to comment on fables that claim to be speaking for my creator, especially when they are making all sorts of demands, commandments, and bigotries that they expect me to accept on behalf of the God who supposedly spoke to them, but refuses to speak to me????

What?

That's baloney. If God could speak to them, then God can speak to me. It's that simple Cowboy.

You keep demanding that the Bible is the Word of "OUR FATHER", and you keep shoving that notion in my face, even in light of the fact that you know that I do not accept these rumors and fables as having anything to do with "my creator".

If you want to believe in those fables, then be my guest.

But if you're going to try to convince me that they are the word of God, then I'll explain precisely why I don't believe them, and it's not going to be pretty, because many of the reasons I reject the biblical fables are indeed because I feel that they are utterly stupid, sick, perverted, and downright unhealthy.

That's my HONEST OPINION.

You can call my HONEST OPINION "lies" until the cows come home.

That's not going to change the fact that it's still an HONEST OPINION.

I tell no lies. I just offer my views on things, and views are not lies, they are merely views.

I don't care what you believe. If you want to believe that the is the word of God, please do so.

But don't expect to convince me of it. I'm totally convinced that it's nothing more than false fables and rumors. I've presented my views over and over again:

1. The Old Testament is fables like Zeus with absolutely no more merit.

2. Jesus was most likely a Jewish Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva trying to teach sanity in the face of an insane society and religious beliefs.

3. The New Testament is either grossly misunderstood rumors, or outright lies that used the unfortunate crucifixion of Jesus to try to prop up the very religious values that Jesus himself renounce.

That's my view. It can't be a "lie" because it's nothing more than an opinion. It's just my HONEST OPINION and my assessment of an ancient fable that claims to speak for the creator of all mankind.

As a member of mankind I'm entitled to my views on these stories.

Claiming that I'm spreading "lies" is a false claim on your part.

All I'm doing is offering my HONEST OPINION. There's no lies associated with that at all.

You just don't like my views is all.

I also don't support any religion or spiritual philosophy as 'truth'. I do suggest however, that IMHO, Eastern Mysticism seems to be the wisest of all spiritual philosophies that I've seen yet.

But I don't care whether people become Buddhists or not. I'm not a Buddhist. In fact, I don't affiliate with any organized religion. But I do feel that it offers more sanity than Christianity.

And there is no honesty in lies.
Abra says:


I don't think that you are totally convinced that any religion is true. Which makes it look so vicious when you speak out against the God of the Bible...You lost your ability to understand scripture a long while ago when you decided to speak against the King of Kings...
You may notice that the bible mentions the term "mystery" for instance:

Mar_4:11, And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Rom_11:25, For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom_16:25, Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
1Co_2:7, But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co_15:51, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Eph_1:9, Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph_3:3, How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Eph_3:4, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Eph_3:9, And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Eph_5:32, This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Eph_6:19, And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Col_1:26, Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col_1:27, To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col_2:2, That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Col_4:3, Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:
2Th_2:7, For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
1Ti_3:9, Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1Ti_3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Rev_1:20, The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev_10:7, But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
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GOD IS JUDGE OF ALL JUDGES. OUR OWN JUDICIAL SYSTEM HAD BEEN MOST SUCCESSFUL WHILE HIS WORD WAS ALLOWED IN COURTROOMS.

What would be the penalty of you speaking out that way in a secular courtroom?...You'd be thrown in jail immediately...as you speak all the contempt here today, respect it or not, you are standing before a Holy Majestic JUDGE and King. When you logoff your computer and sit alone in your home or you drive down the street in your car...you are still in the presence of God. It is by His Grace that you make it to your destination.
And you mentioned that God talks to others...and you feel He can talk to you too...well, are you sure you're really ready for that; for Him to speak directly to you??? At this point???
He has many (court appointed attorneys) who approach you day after day. To help you to understand what the Judge expects...how to respect protocol...but you speak out disrespectfully in blasphemus terms at that. You may intimidate some of the members in this forum, but not all...most know full well who is greater.



You quite often disrupt what others say with lengthy words of rantings in your honest opinion. If you were honest you would admit to them that you don't know what the Bible is saying nor how to understand it.
You have described the Lord God as "stupid" "idiotic" "bigoted" "hateful", etc.

Many of those who are listening to your rants are not familiar with what the Bible says, and all they have is your extremely biased influence. I am aware that you claim to be some sort of teacher.
But the only thing I see you "teaching" is hatred toward everyone's Creator. You wish to be the only one who "teaches" them.
I've not seen you teach anything better than what you are trying to steer them away from. And besides all this, you have a very odd understanding of scriputres; picking verses out of the Bible that you don't like...not even using them in the respective applications.
Your character is suspect.

God is so awesome, you cannot even leave His presence until He decides. You are as small as an ant in His Mighty Presence...this shows His Grace and longsuffering...oh, and in case you are not familiar with what longsuffering implies...it means that there is a designated time that you are allowed to go on with your way of running things. You are stacking up evidence against yourself...or hopefully, He is allowing you just enough rope for you to hang yourself...until by His own mercy frees you from your suicidal attempt and tendancies.

A FEW MORE OF YOUR RANTINGS:



2 Thessalonians 2:
Man of Lawlessness

1, Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3, Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5, Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6, And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7, For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8, And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13, But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14, Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15, Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16, Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

WOW I could only dream in my wildest dreams to bash someone THAT badly!

I've since quit trying to argue,debate, or even talk to this lunatic (Abrakadabra) about anything. But you really expose him/her for who they are, a HATER and a bigoted one at that.

I just thought you deserved a pat on the back and a gold star for something I could never do.

God bless you CeriseRose! I hope you have a VERY VERY VERY merry X-mass! Congrats again on the gr8 post!

So you people love to use Jesus as a vehicle of of hatred toward non-believers?

Why am I not surprised?

Your scriptures make the following claim: "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

So you believe in a hateful God who deludes people from his TRUTH?

Sorry ShiningArmour, I don't see where Cerise has exposed anyone as being a bigoted hater other than the very God that you people supposedly worship.

So sad indeed.

What a hateful religion.

I thought Jesus and God were supposed to be about love, not hate?

Spreading hate for Jesus's sake, what an oxymoron.

So what do we have here? Christians who, when they can't covert you, will bury you in hatred in the name of Jesus their Christ Almighty.

This is a perfect example of why this religion is so hateful.

Your scriptures make the following claim: "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

So you believe in a hateful God who deludes people from his TRUTH?

Cowboy wrote:

Yes heaven is EARNED. It's not an automatic given. It is EARNED by those whom deserve it. So for those that have not earned it and or don't deserve it, it is hidden.

No, my friend, the heaven you speak of is reserved for only those who hate others and who love to rejoice and dance in their hatred of others.

You people condemn the most loving people in the name of your hateful religion.

As I've often said, Christianity should be outlawed as a hate crime.

No my friend, we hate NO ONE. Heaven is open to anyone and everyone if they open their hearts and accept such a gift.

So you people love to use Jesus as a vehicle of of hatred toward non-believers?

Why am I not surprised?

Your scriptures make the following claim: "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"

So you believe in a hateful God who deludes people from his TRUTH?

Sorry ShiningArmour, I don't see where Cerise has exposed anyone as being a bigoted hater other than the very God that you people supposedly worship.

So sad indeed.

What a hateful religion.

I thought Jesus and God were supposed to be about love, not hate?

Spreading hate for Jesus's sake, what an oxymoron.

So what do we have here? Christians who, when they can't covert you, will bury you in hatred in the name of Jesus their Christ Almighty.

This is a perfect example of why this religion is so hateful.

Do you agree with what ShiningArmour said? Can you honestly defend such a post? That one in itself was quite hateful no?

Besides when you have someone saying your belief should be outlawed as a hate crime it does tend to stir up some anger.

Well, then don't use it or support hatred and the suggestion won't come up.

Yeah your right it was on the edge wasn't it? I was wrong. I just thought that Cherise Rose made some good points in the rant they made.

Besides when you have someone saying your belief should be outlawed as a hate crime it does tend to stir up some anger.

Look if you wanna believe in the God of the Bible, fine you go right ahead. No one is saying you aren't free to believe that as much as we are free to think different. But don't keep trying to shove that belief on us when it is not wanted.

It's not us that spread hatred towards you. It is you that spreads hatred towards us. It's not us going into your forums to spread lies and try to belittle your beliefs, it is you that come to ours.

It's not us that spread hatred towards you. It is you that spreads hatred towards us. It's not us going into your forums to spread lies and try to belittle your beliefs, it is you that come to ours.