...and then there is the previous life
the one that we were 'living' before we were even born.
If we always have been and always will be then life never starts or ends..it just is, eternally.
Can't kill a soul...

Heb_9:27, And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:

Mat_10:28, And fear not them which kill the body,
but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy
both soul and body in hell.

Friends will come and go but your stuff will always be there.
And so will beer! Does beer count as stuff?

Tell this one to Cowboy.

Cowboy renounces the concept of Hell for humans. Yet here you have Matthew claiming that Jesus implies that humans will indeed go to hell.

There are also places in the New Testament where Jesus speaks of people being sent to hell and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So here's the problem. Which "Christianity" should we accept? Cowboy's or the New Testament's version?

Here you have your God sending people to hell again.

Perhaps we should talk about that concept in the thread on "Does God Care?"

What kind of a God sends disbelievers to hell where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Cowboy's answer is, "There is no hell for humans!"

Clearly Matthew says that Jesus disagrees with Cowboy.

Like I always say, even if Christians were able to proselytize their religion to the entire world's population, that would only be the start of the real holy wars, because then they'd start pointing fingers at each other and beating each other over the head with their own version of a rubber Jesus doll.

No two Christians can even agree on what these fables have to say.

The more quotes you post from that ancient text the more contradictions you reveal.

Now you're back to the God who hates people so much he sends them to hell. It's not enough to just let them die in peace, he needs to be sadistic about it and get some sort of revenge!

And he does this to perfectly decent and nice people simply because they didn't believe in him?

This God makes Satan look like a NICE GUY! It's no wonder that a full third of God's angels sided with Satan.

I believe Cowboy to be my brother in the Lord.
We as Christians are in the learning process.
So, you might get joy from condemning him,
but I do not.
Our Salvation does not rest on whether there is a hell,
but on Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord of Creation.

Tell this one to Cowboy.

Cowboy renounces the concept of Hell for humans. Yet here you have Matthew claiming that Jesus implies that humans will indeed go to hell.

There are also places in the New Testament where Jesus speaks of people being sent to hell and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So here's the problem. Which "Christianity" should we accept? Cowboy's or the New Testament's version?

Here you have your God sending people to hell again.

Perhaps we should talk about that concept in the thread on "Does God Care?"

What kind of a God sends disbelievers to hell where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Cowboy's answer is, "There is no hell for humans!"

Clearly Matthew says that Jesus disagrees with Cowboy.

Like I always say, even if Christians were able to proselytize their religion to the entire world's population, that would only be the start of the real holy wars, because then they'd start pointing fingers at each other and beating each other over the head with their own version of a rubber Jesus doll.

No two Christians can even agree on what these fables have to say.

The more quotes you post from that ancient text the more contradictions you reveal.

Now you're back to the God who hates people so much he sends them to hell. It's not enough to just let them die in peace, he needs to be sadistic about it and get some sort of revenge!

And he does this to perfectly decent and nice people simply because they didn't believe in him?

This God makes Satan look like a NICE GUY! It's no wonder that a full third of God's angels sided with Satan.

Tell this one to Cowboy.

Cowboy renounces the concept of Hell for humans. Yet here you have Matthew claiming that Jesus implies that humans will indeed go to hell.

I haven't condemned Cowboy, I've simply pointed out the fact that his teachings of what Christianity stands for don't always line up with what the biblical doctrine has Jesus saying.

You have done no such thing my friend. So please try again. And again these verses go along exactly with what i've previously said in past discussions.

Tell this one to Cowboy.

Cowboy renounces the concept of Hell for humans. Yet here you have Matthew claiming that Jesus implies that humans will indeed go to hell.

There are also places in the New Testament where Jesus speaks of people being sent to hell and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So here's the problem. Which "Christianity" should we accept? Cowboy's or the New Testament's version?

Here you have your God sending people to hell again.

Perhaps we should talk about that concept in the thread on "Does God Care?"

What kind of a God sends disbelievers to hell where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Cowboy's answer is, "There is no hell for humans!"

Clearly Matthew says that Jesus disagrees with Cowboy.

Like I always say, even if Christians were able to proselytize their religion to the entire world's population, that would only be the start of the real holy wars, because then they'd start pointing fingers at each other and beating each other over the head with their own version of a rubber Jesus doll.

No two Christians can even agree on what these fables have to say.

The more quotes you post from that ancient text the more contradictions you reveal.

Now you're back to the God who hates people so much he sends them to hell. It's not enough to just let them die in peace, he needs to be sadistic about it and get some sort of revenge!

And he does this to perfectly decent and nice people simply because they didn't believe in him?

This God makes Satan look like a NICE GUY! It's no wonder that a full third of God's angels sided with Satan.

These verses don't support hell being for humans. Notice it specifically says "kills the body and soul".

Mat_10:28, And fear not them which kill the body,
but are not able to kill the soul:
but rather fear him which is able to destroy
both soul and body in hell

All I renounce is eternal punishment, eternal burning, ect. This verse actually supports as I've previously said. I've said there is no eternal punishment. You either receive the gift of heaven and eternal life or cease to exist. And would you look at that, the verse specifically says "fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Last time I checked destroying ment to kill something, and I think if i'm correct if something is killed it is no longer in existence. So where exactly is the contrary to what i've previously said?

You said that hell is not for humans. But here Jesus clearly states that this could be the fate of a human soul.

Also, you could potentially destroy both the body and the soul whilst the spirit continues to "live". That all depends on how you define these terms.

But regardless of whether there is eternal suffering or not, you have stated that hell isn't for humans at all, which is contradicted here by Matthew.

Cowboy! You should know this stuff bro! If you cease to exist then there should be no crying and knashing of teeth! It also states that their worm does not die. If they cease to exist then they could not be alive!

If you want proof in the bible I can point to "Revelation chapter 20 verse 10 which states: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Notice it says "Forever and ever" and also "Day and Night" If you your not there to get burned because you cease to exist then this verse cannot be true.
Not a big deal. As long as we follow Jesus we will see heaven, at least that's the hope.

Yes that is in the lake of fire. That is not hell. Lake of fire and hell are two separate places. Lake of fire is where Satan will be thrown after the second coming. And please inform us of the verses where it also states that the deceived will burn as well, for I do not know of this verse. I know there will be punishment for a little while, but no eternal punishment.

Want you to look at this verse. You have to take the wording into context and remember there is a difference in time and culture. Yes it says everlasting punishment. But then if that was eternal why would it also include but the righteous will have eternal LIFE. Last time I checked you would have to be alive to be punished. Therefore there will not be ETERNAL punishment, because they did not get ETERNAL life. The only reward for sin is death.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

Yes that is in the lake of fire. That is not hell. Lake of fire and hell are two separate places. Lake of fire is where Satan will be thrown after the second coming. And please inform us of the verses where it also states that the deceived will burn as well, for I do not know of this verse. I know there will be punishment for a little while, but no eternal punishment.

5, But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6, Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7, And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9, And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10, And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11, And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12, And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13, And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14, And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:5-15

Rev_21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving,
and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers,
and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

Revelation 20:5-15

Rev_21:8, But the fearful, and unbelieving,
and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers,
and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,
shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death.

A good definition of hoarding I would think is when you have a yard sale to sell stuff that you have gotten at yard sales so you can make more room to get more stuff at yard sales.