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Sorry I disagree I don't own a Pit bull but I have a friend who does. That dog will not attack unless its provoked or he's told to. Any animal is the owners responsibility. Its sad that some owners don't know how to raise this breed of dog. How could you make a statement like that to make the breed illegal? What are you implying make the breed extinct? I will agree to monitor the breeders so no interbreeding is done. Thats usually the dogs that have issues. Ah, because the breed keeps making headlines, and everytime I hear of an agressive dog-attack, or there is a civil tort case involving an attack, more than 90% of the time, it's a pit-bull. Let me guess, pit-bull owners select the breed for protection because of their notoriety of agressiveness. Protect yourself, you do not need to rely on a dog breed to to this. It's an excuse. The breed itself was artificially introduced through mixed breeding, so no, I wouldn't shed a tear if this breed were to be eventually extinct. You know what else is an excuse? People that blame animals for them getting attacked... |
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I'm just posting here to further dispel misinformation, don't mind me...it is what I do.
http://www.austinlostpets.com/kidskorner/2october/pitbull.htm Oh, here is one for those that just use "excuses." http://www.realpitbull.com/temperament.html If I can assist further in shaving away blindness, please, drop me a line in my mailbox...I love dispelling myths, kind of a hobby. |
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Bulldogs of any breed are typically loyal, almost always friendly to people, they do have a tendency to attack other animals (this is a sign that your dog needs to be trained professionally and is not typical of the breed). Again, most aggressive dogs are trained to be aggressive...they don't come out of the box like that, so to speak.
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Oh, here's a story of one of those evil pitbulls saving a child from being abducted: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4095627
And here is one that was a stray that saved a woman and a child from an attacker in Florida: http://www.zootoo.com/petnews/straydogsaveswomanchildheldatk-993 Here's one that saved a family from an intruder: http://cbs13.com/local/pit.bull.intruder.2.901647.html And one that saved the family from a house fire: http://www.katu.com/news/local/99553644.html Those evil bastards... |
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Pit bulls are actually sweet dogs. But they need to be treated with lots of respect. people who abuse them make them mean. And actually a lot of people tend to breed aggressive pit bulls for the sole purpose of producing an aggressive litter in which they can later use them for fighting. It's called breeding for certain traits. A lot of pit bulls are bred horribly wrong nowadays simply because fighting dogs make a lot of money for their owners. That is not the dogs fault -- it is humanity's fault. That's not to say these dogs can't be saved. A lot of them are better off with owners who know pit bulls and how to handle them. Tragic accidents with pit bulls happen because people acquire these dogs without doing their research first. Never judge a book by its cover. never label a pit bull vicious simply because of its history. That isn't always the case. The sweetest dogs I know are pits. One was my uncles rescued dog, the other, is my brother-in- laws. She's the smartest dog I know too. She's funny. She loves cats, and will actually baby sit cats/dogs. I lived with my sister and her husband and their dog, my sisters cat, and my cat. My cat is about 5 years older than their cat, but they are both very playful, especially together, so Sable (the dog) would always yell at them and they would behave or go to the basement for time out. When they would scratch (my cat is declawed) at furniture, Sable would bark or go up to them and put her nose close to their face and wag her tail, they would run away it was funny. yeah my heart dog was able to "speak in multiple dog lingo"! She could bark in 2 tones, growl and cry! IDK how, but she could literally sit on her own head & could do it on command! They are comedians for sure & what i love most about them thanks fear & don't forget to mention Stubby the war hero! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Stubby and http://www.ct.gov/mil/cwp/view.asp?a=1351&q=257892 |
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Actually this is the same debate from back in the day about dobies and rotts. Dont blame the dog for the lack of responsiblity of the owners - they are as vicious as they are allowed and even taught to be. Have you looked into what good these breeds do? The are amazing law enforcement dogs, therapy dogs - one of micheal vicks dogs has been rehabilitated and has become a therapy dog in an old folks home. Some of the most amazing dogs i have ever known have been pit bulls. This breed is what you call a ppl pleasing breed, and they are the perfect example of it. This means that they live to please thier ppl, and they put themselves into whatever thier person asks for 150%. And when you have a dog like that, when pointed in the right directing, and raised with love and responsibility theyre are certain to become part of the family and something amazing. thats what i think about that.
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This is a reminder to please keep the insults off of the forums.
Kim |
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Just a thought....
This thing needs to be exiled to the gulag of current events n politics to be lost in that quagmire of people who love to argue. It is obvious that the cat guy aint gonna suddenly like dogs or pay attention to the people who have different perspectives. And the people with dogs (I got a part pit love hound) aint gonna suddenly decide to kill our dogs to make cat man happy. The only thing that can come out of this is flaring tempers leading up to spankings and suspensions. Like I said.....Just a thought. |
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The American pit bull terrier is the product of interbreeding between terriers and a breed of bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog. These dogs were initially bred in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and arrived in the United States with immigrants from these countries. In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions; however, some were selectively bred for their fighting prowess, and starting in the early 20th century, they began to replace the bull terrier as the "dog of choice" for dog fighting in the United States. Don't blame the dog for mans mistakes. Do your homework before you pass judgment. Yep, selective breeding is why these dogs are so feared. That's what I was trying to get at. |
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The American pit bull terrier is the product of interbreeding between terriers and a breed of bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog. These dogs were initially bred in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and arrived in the United States with immigrants from these countries. In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions; however, some were selectively bred for their fighting prowess, and starting in the early 20th century, they began to replace the bull terrier as the "dog of choice" for dog fighting in the United States. Don't blame the dog for mans mistakes. Do your homework before you pass judgment. Yep, selective breeding is why these dogs are so feared. That's what I was trying to get at. LOL Thought I would help you out lol.... |
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yeah my heart dog was able to "speak in multiple dog lingo"! She could bark in 2 tones, growl and cry! IDK how, but she could literally sit on her own head & could do it on command! They are comedians for sure & what i love most about them thanks fear & don't forget to mention Stubby the war hero! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Stubby and http://www.ct.gov/mil/cwp/view.asp?a=1351&q=257892 Didn't actually know about Stubby, that's a pretty cool lil dog. 
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yeah my heart dog was able to "speak in multiple dog lingo"! She could bark in 2 tones, growl and cry! IDK how, but she could literally sit on her own head & could do it on command! They are comedians for sure & what i love most about them thanks fear & don't forget to mention Stubby the war hero! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Stubby and http://www.ct.gov/mil/cwp/view.asp?a=1351&q=257892 Didn't actually know about Stubby, that's a pretty cool lil dog. Yep, a hero, true to the breed! |
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Studies identify that dogs, and to some extent cats, from there primitive evolutionary beginnings as pack animals adopt characteristics of the others in the pack. i.e. the best way to prevent a dog from being violent is to not be violent around the dog.
That being said, The instinctual nature of breeds including the pitbull leans a great deal towards how it was brought up and whether the animal can distinguish real threats or not. Sometimes it's the thrill of torment and sometimes it's the animals deep fear that creates an attack. I have witnessed a violent Pitbull attack... To this day, I will never turn my back on one. The 3000lbs per square inch bite(or whatever it is) has left a severe impact on my perception of the breed. To the owners who think their animal wouldn't do that because "He/She soooo sweet".... I don't buy it! Every animal is capable and pitbulls are MORE capable of causing life changing injuries. PS: if Fi-Fi(ankle biter) bit me... I'd poodle punt that thing through the fieldgoal and limit the damage. If "REX" the pit is after me... I hope to gawd 4-5 of my buddies are around... with a golf club to pry it's mouth open... no joke! |
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Studies identify that dogs, and to some extent cats, from there primitive evolutionary beginnings as pack animals adopt characteristics of the others in the pack. i.e. the best way to prevent a dog from being violent is to not be violent around the dog. That being said, The instinctual nature of breeds including the pitbull leans a great deal towards how it was brought up and whether the animal can distinguish real threats or not. Sometimes it's the thrill of torment and sometimes it's the animals deep fear that creates an attack. I have witnessed a violent Pitbull attack... To this day, I will never turn my back on one. The 3000lbs per square inch bite(or whatever it is) has left a severe impact on my perception of the breed. To the owners who think their animal wouldn't do that because "He/She soooo sweet".... I don't buy it! Every animal is capable and pitbulls are MORE capable of causing life changing injuries. PS: if Fi-Fi(ankle biter) bit me... I'd poodle punt that thing through the fieldgoal and limit the damage. If "REX" the pit is after me... I hope to gawd 4-5 of my buddies are around... with a golf club to pry it's mouth open... no joke! Yeah...but their jaws don't lock. And 3000lbs is a Mastiff/Rottweiler. I don't have a problem with people and their personal experience, I just have a problem when the story gets horribly contorted...not to say you haven't witnessed a Pitbull attack, but more or less the facts of the Pitbull attack are horribly wrong. Of course any dog can attack, but it isn't more or less prone for a Pitbull. I can train a Poodle to attack you by way of fear or torture, I can train a Golden Retriever to attack you by using words or hand signals, any dog can be trained...the only difference in breed is how quickly they pick it up. |
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There was recently a NOVA episode that was all about breeding dogs. They had fox breeders (for fur) that had selectively bred fifty generations and had done some serious genetic experimentation. Some of the tests were run on wolves as well.
It was discovered that docility could be started in as little as three generations just by hand selecting the most docile pups. It was discovered also that the docile gene apparently kept the animal in a "near puppy" state for it's entire life. In a breed such as a pit bull dangerous specimens could be selected simply by picking puppies with certain traits from the litter. All dogs are not born equal and some have dangerous traits. Some do not. In this respect, dogs are alot like people. |
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Just to clear some stuff up and show that I'm not bias to the argument. I've been attacked by two Pitbulls in my life, both attacked me because I came up on them too quickly...and I don't blame either of them or even the owners for them attacking me, I simply didn't know how to approach a frightened dog out of its comfort zone.
I had a Great Dane that left a pretty nasty gash on my hand when we were playing, but the worse out of all of them was a Golden Retriever that left a really awful gash along my arm, but we were just playing and he didn't know his own strength...later that night he was lying beside me and we slept on the couch together. In Illinois there was a Pitbull that was roaming around my area, scared, and obviously lost (even though I knew he lived just down the block from me). I took him into my backyard and fed him, he was quite timid around my other dogs even venturing further off into the back from them while they ate. He wouldn't approach the food dish with the dogs around so I had to take them in so he would eat and drink, I even played with him a bit before I went off to work. This reminds me of the most logical thing I ever heard from pro-gun people; "guns don't kill people, people kill people." The same can be applied to animals. |
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Studies identify that dogs, and to some extent cats, from there primitive evolutionary beginnings as pack animals adopt characteristics of the others in the pack. i.e. the best way to prevent a dog from being violent is to not be violent around the dog. That being said, The instinctual nature of breeds including the pitbull leans a great deal towards how it was brought up and whether the animal can distinguish real threats or not. Sometimes it's the thrill of torment and sometimes it's the animals deep fear that creates an attack. I have witnessed a violent Pitbull attack... To this day, I will never turn my back on one. The 3000lbs per square inch bite(or whatever it is) has left a severe impact on my perception of the breed. To the owners who think their animal wouldn't do that because "He/She soooo sweet".... I don't buy it! Every animal is capable and pitbulls are MORE capable of causing life changing injuries. PS: if Fi-Fi(ankle biter) bit me... I'd poodle punt that thing through the fieldgoal and limit the damage. If "REX" the pit is after me... I hope to gawd 4-5 of my buddies are around... with a golf club to pry it's mouth open... no joke! Yeah...but their jaws don't lock. And 3000lbs is a Mastiff/Rottweiler. I don't have a problem with people and their personal experience, I just have a problem when the story gets horribly contorted...not to say you haven't witnessed a Pitbull attack, but more or less the facts of the Pitbull attack are horribly wrong. Of course any dog can attack, but it isn't more or less prone for a Pitbull. I can train a Poodle to attack you by way of fear or torture, I can train a Golden Retriever to attack you by using words or hand signals, any dog can be trained...the only difference in breed is how quickly they pick it up. I agree on some of what you wrote. Train any poodle or lab you'd like and unleash it on me... I'm pretty sure it will bite me once maybe twice before I get the upper hand. The same CANNOT be said for a 125lbs raging, savage pitbull.... Sorry cheers! |
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As a former pitbull owner, I gotta throw my thoughts in here. Fear hit it on the head with the analogy to the gun mantra...it's not the dog, per se, that becomes a "weapon" in an attack. It's the lack of responsibility on the owner's part in controlling his animal.
I have a lab currently and while I love him to pieces, I wouldn't say that he's any sweeter or more docile than my pit was. Kids could climb on Bones (my former Pit), yank his ears, poke him in the eye, whatever and he wouldn't even offer a growl, let alone attack. But if I set him on command with "watch 'em", he was prepared to rip you apart. Why did I want a dog that could rip somebody apart? I was a single, at the time attractive female that happened to like to walk late at night. With Bones at the end of his leash, I had no qualms whatsoever in walking around this f*cked up world we live in. For me, he gave me a sense of security along with the love and devotion that any dog bestows on its owner. Eliminating the breed would be tantamount to saying that whatever a few individuals find offensive is fair game for elimination. I would argue this is a slippery slope best not approached. |
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Studies identify that dogs, and to some extent cats, from there primitive evolutionary beginnings as pack animals adopt characteristics of the others in the pack. i.e. the best way to prevent a dog from being violent is to not be violent around the dog. That being said, The instinctual nature of breeds including the pitbull leans a great deal towards how it was brought up and whether the animal can distinguish real threats or not. Sometimes it's the thrill of torment and sometimes it's the animals deep fear that creates an attack. I have witnessed a violent Pitbull attack... To this day, I will never turn my back on one. The 3000lbs per square inch bite(or whatever it is) has left a severe impact on my perception of the breed. To the owners who think their animal wouldn't do that because "He/She soooo sweet".... I don't buy it! Every animal is capable and pitbulls are MORE capable of causing life changing injuries. PS: if Fi-Fi(ankle biter) bit me... I'd poodle punt that thing through the fieldgoal and limit the damage. If "REX" the pit is after me... I hope to gawd 4-5 of my buddies are around... with a golf club to pry it's mouth open... no joke! Yeah...but their jaws don't lock. And 3000lbs is a Mastiff/Rottweiler. I don't have a problem with people and their personal experience, I just have a problem when the story gets horribly contorted...not to say you haven't witnessed a Pitbull attack, but more or less the facts of the Pitbull attack are horribly wrong. Of course any dog can attack, but it isn't more or less prone for a Pitbull. I can train a Poodle to attack you by way of fear or torture, I can train a Golden Retriever to attack you by using words or hand signals, any dog can be trained...the only difference in breed is how quickly they pick it up. I agree on some of what you wrote. Train any poodle or lab you'd like and unleash it on me... I'm pretty sure it will bite me once maybe twice before I get the upper hand. The same CANNOT be said for a 125lbs raging, savage pitbull.... Sorry cheers! Again...you're thinking of a Mastiff. Max weight for a Pitbull is roughly 60lbs. |
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Do you guys honestly think that any of this logic is gonna make a s**t bit of difference to the cat guy or those who don't like dogs?
The only ones who will even bother reading all this are those of us who love dogs anyway. We are all just preaching to the choir in this lame @ssed thread. |
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