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Why is it that pitbull owners keep clinging to the same sorry logic that their "cute adorable hell-hounds" are harmless and affectionate? These dogs are vicious, nasty, killers, and frankly, very offensive. Of all the 100s of breeds of dogs, why do people choose to adopt a pit-bull? I mean, what the hell? Isn't the name enough to deter someone from adopting such an objectionable canine? Or how about its track record, or behavioral tendencies? I say it's time that communities all accross America start making this breed illegal, too much harm has been done already by this breed. Pitbulls were bred to be fighters/guard dogs. How they're raised does matter, but they are born with traits that make them optimal lean, mean, killing machines. Which is why they are so feared. It's not just about how they are raised, but about understanding the breed itself and the traits the dog is born with. I grew up around dogs, pits, poodles, dalmations, mixes, etc. You have to understand and respect them, like any other animal. And finally a voice of reason and worthy of intelligent discourse in this debate. It seems that I touched a nerve with so many and many of whom have gotten lost in the meaning of the topic. It's not cats vs. dogs, or demonizing dogs in general, it is the persistent track record of the breed named "pitbull" and knowing this, what would posess a reasonable thinking and responsible adult to ever want to adopt such an unpredictable and agressive animal? They never seem to answer the question about why the pitbull, and not another breed, do they? Seems like dodging to me. You show no reason in your statements........at all.....a dog temperment is based on how they are treated and raised.....and the news demonizes negatives.....their r more owners that chose pitbulls to raise that way....its not the breeds fault..... |
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Why is it that pitbull owners keep clinging to the same sorry logic that their "cute adorable hell-hounds" are harmless and affectionate? These dogs are vicious, nasty, killers, and frankly, very offensive. Of all the 100s of breeds of dogs, why do people choose to adopt a pit-bull? I mean, what the hell? Isn't the name enough to deter someone from adopting such an objectionable canine? Or how about its track record, or behavioral tendencies? I say it's time that communities all accross America start making this breed illegal, too much harm has been done already by this breed. Pitbulls were bred to be fighters/guard dogs. How they're raised does matter, but they are born with traits that make them optimal lean, mean, killing machines. Which is why they are so feared. It's not just about how they are raised, but about understanding the breed itself and the traits the dog is born with. I grew up around dogs, pits, poodles, dalmations, mixes, etc. You have to understand and respect them, like any other animal. No Totage, they weren't. It would really be nice if folks actually picked up a few books and researched the breeds. Pits and pit types were originally bred as your average farm dogs. They would be put in the cribs with babies at night to protect them against rats. A dog that would tear up a baby wasn't kept alive. They could be strong enough to drop a bull if need be, or protect the wagon. But they were family dogs. They're couldn't randomly maul a stranger or animal unless it was to protect the family. It was generations later, when pit fighting became popular for the poor man, that dogs started to be bred for such things. They have an amazing history, including being the most decorated breed of dogs in American wars. A few bad apples shouldn't ruin it for all dogs. After all, if that was the case, I bet I could clear out a heck of a lot of our human population. Cats, again? Really? This hasn't been argued by you enough times already? Have you gone the route of PETA where no one should have pets of any sort?! |
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firefly, did ya notice the 'optional' ingredient?
No wonder why they love em so much hahaha..... |
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What's to debate...
laws ... hmmm... yea .... most are made for a select group and the rest of us toe the line or pay the fine. as for dogs .... any pure breed is stroking some kind of elitist attitude in the individual and in my eyes is stupidly egocentric and of no good to anyone else or to dogs in general. We just like to play god. its sick when you think seriously about it. Pit bulls were bred for dog fights .... now think about that. |
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there are laws to ensure dog owners are responcible for their pets. i have a problem with the neighbors who have cats. those cats jump up on my motorcycle at night and claw up my seat. why aren't owners held responsible for keeping their cats in their own yard. ^^^^^ AMEN!!! I have the SAME problem only they crawl all over my cars and truck and then leave scratch marks getting down off them! If you looked up "crazy cat lady" in the dictionary, there would be a picture of my neighbor! She must have 10 cats! Although whether or not any of them are actually hers, I don't know. But she feeds them so I call them hers! Hmmmm wonder where my viscious pit bull is that deserves to be put down because he's so mean and dangerous? He's in the back yard where he belongs!!! Not out running around getting in people's trash and scratching their vehicles!!! 
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it seems the inclination to prove self as "greater than" is so strong in our modern primitive society, some must prove they are "greater than" a dog to feel good and important about themself.
self << dog |
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Thanks for clearing that up I was about to get all pitbull on you
 
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Why is it that pitbull owners keep clinging to the same sorry logic that their "cute adorable hell-hounds" are harmless and affectionate? These dogs are vicious, nasty, killers, and frankly, very offensive. Of all the 100s of breeds of dogs, why do people choose to adopt a pit-bull? I mean, what the hell? Isn't the name enough to deter someone from adopting such an objectionable canine? Or how about its track record, or behavioral tendencies? I say it's time that communities all accross America start making this breed illegal, too much harm has been done already by this breed. Pitbulls were bred to be fighters/guard dogs. How they're raised does matter, but they are born with traits that make them optimal lean, mean, killing machines. Which is why they are so feared. It's not just about how they are raised, but about understanding the breed itself and the traits the dog is born with. I grew up around dogs, pits, poodles, dalmations, mixes, etc. You have to understand and respect them, like any other animal. No Totage, they weren't. It would really be nice if folks actually picked up a few books and researched the breeds. Pits and pit types were originally bred as your average farm dogs. They would be put in the cribs with babies at night to protect them against rats. A dog that would tear up a baby wasn't kept alive. They could be strong enough to drop a bull if need be, or protect the wagon. But they were family dogs. They're couldn't randomly maul a stranger or animal unless it was to protect the family. It was generations later, when pit fighting became popular for the poor man, that dogs started to be bred for such things. They have an amazing history, including being the most decorated breed of dogs in American wars. A few bad apples shouldn't ruin it for all dogs. After all, if that was the case, I bet I could clear out a heck of a lot of our human population. Cats, again? Really? This hasn't been argued by you enough times already? Have you gone the route of PETA where no one should have pets of any sort?! I thought I may have heard about them being farm dogs at once, but not sure. I do know that they were/are bred to be fighters and guard dogs. Not to argue, or bash the breed, or anything, just saying. I agree, they are a fascinating breed. The history of all dogs is pretty interesting actually. |
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Anyone who thinks they are looking at a "bad dog" is looking at the wrong end of the leash
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The American pit bull terrier is the product of interbreeding between terriers and a breed of bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog. These dogs were initially bred in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and arrived in the United States with immigrants from these countries. In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions; however, some were selectively bred for their fighting prowess, and starting in the early 20th century, they began to replace the bull terrier as the "dog of choice" for dog fighting in the United States. Don't blame the dog for mans mistakes. Do your homework before you pass judgment.
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American Staffordshire Terrier.
Look it up in your AKC book if you have one. |
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The American pit bull terrier is the product of interbreeding between terriers and a breed of bulldogs to produce a dog that combined the gameness of the terrier with the strength and athleticism of the bulldog. These dogs were initially bred in England, Ireland, and Scotland, and arrived in the United States with immigrants from these countries. In the United States, these dogs were used as catch dogs for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, to drive livestock, and as family companions; however, some were selectively bred for their fighting prowess, and starting in the early 20th century, they began to replace the bull terrier as the "dog of choice" for dog fighting in the United States. Don't blame the dog for mans mistakes. Do your homework before you pass judgment. Yep, selective breeding is why these dogs are so feared. That's what I was trying to get at. |
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So the greyhound, miniature poodle, picanese (sp) and pit bull who bit me in my life makes all of them the same.
They bit for different reasons and most of it had to do with my actions. I was running and the greyhound sought the chase, minature poodle didn't like my face being close to his, picaneses had distemper and the pit bull had been taught to fight so she had my dog by the head. I had to put my finger nails into her gums in her mouth and make her bleed to get her to release my dog and I got bit in the process but she was a victim of her owner, it wasn't her fault and when she felt my skin in her teeth she released immediately. Mental illness exists in animals just like it does in humans but most of the time these animals are mistreated by their owners, either out of ignorance or because they are just mean people. |
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Nice!Poochie.  thanks Cy, I must admit I have always been curious about what was in them! firefly, did ya notice the 'optional' ingredient?   haha-NO! I must admit I did not read that thoroughly-LOL!
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Edited by
fireflysgirl
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Tue 11/16/10 07:09 PM
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Yes they are bred to fight here in the US and exactly why people who love this breed rescue them, rehabilitate them, and find responsible owners to adopt them. They work to get the PEOPLE making them fight put in jail and their dog owning rights restricted!
I recently helped my little sister find her first pitty and this poor little dog has been through 2 crappy homes because she was not mean or aggressive in any manner so people starved her and beat her and left her alone without even water! She is still not aggressive and thankfully will not have to worry about about being tortured by idiot humans again! |
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Myself I would not own one. I have my own reasons as a child and of a tragedy that happen with a family and the death of a small child due to one. But do I believe the whole breed is to blame no....  I do believe due to inbreeding and owners that these dogs should only be owned by certain people. I don't think those with small children should have them. But then I think most people with kids need to think twice about getting pets with smaller children. But of all the breeds to choose from, why the PB? Why? What makes this breed so attractive to people who buy and adopt them? Dude, if you knew a pit bull, well....you wouldn't have to ask then! |
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Pit bulls are actually sweet dogs. But they need to be treated with lots of respect. people who abuse them make them mean. And actually a lot of people tend to breed aggressive pit bulls for the sole purpose of producing an aggressive litter in which they can later use them for fighting. It's called breeding for certain traits.
A lot of pit bulls are bred horribly wrong nowadays simply because fighting dogs make a lot of money for their owners. That is not the dogs fault -- it is humanity's fault. That's not to say these dogs can't be saved. A lot of them are better off with owners who know pit bulls and how to handle them. Tragic accidents with pit bulls happen because people acquire these dogs without doing their research first. Never judge a book by its cover. never label a pit bull vicious simply because of its history. That isn't always the case. |
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Myself I would not own one. I have my own reasons as a child and of a tragedy that happen with a family and the death of a small child due to one. But do I believe the whole breed is to blame no.... I do believe due to inbreeding and owners that these dogs should only be owned by certain people. I don't think those with small children should have them. But then I think most people with kids need to think twice about getting pets with smaller children. But of all the breeds to choose from, why the PB? Why? What makes this breed so attractive to people who buy and adopt them? Dude, if you knew a pit bull, well....you wouldn't have to ask then! You know why people want to adopt them? It's because they are so misunderstood as a breed. Just because several hundred dogs may have caused injuries and tragic accidents doesn't mean the whole breed should be labeled vicious. |
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Pit bulls are actually sweet dogs. But they need to be treated with lots of respect. people who abuse them make them mean. And actually a lot of people tend to breed aggressive pit bulls for the sole purpose of producing an aggressive litter in which they can later use them for fighting. It's called breeding for certain traits. A lot of pit bulls are bred horribly wrong nowadays simply because fighting dogs make a lot of money for their owners. That is not the dogs fault -- it is humanity's fault. That's not to say these dogs can't be saved. A lot of them are better off with owners who know pit bulls and how to handle them. Tragic accidents with pit bulls happen because people acquire these dogs without doing their research first. Never judge a book by its cover. never label a pit bull vicious simply because of its history. That isn't always the case. The sweetest dogs I know are pits. One was my uncles rescued dog, the other, is my brother-in- laws. She's the smartest dog I know too. She's funny. She loves cats, and will actually baby sit cats/dogs. I lived with my sister and her husband and their dog, my sisters cat, and my cat. My cat is about 5 years older than their cat, but they are both very playful, especially together, so Sable (the dog) would always yell at them and they would behave or go to the basement for time out. When they would scratch (my cat is declawed) at furniture, Sable would bark or go up to them and put her nose close to their face and wag her tail, they would run away it was funny. |
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Why is it that pitbull owners keep clinging to the same sorry logic that their "cute adorable hell-hounds" are harmless and affectionate? These dogs are vicious, nasty, killers, and frankly, very offensive. Of all the 100s of breeds of dogs, why do people choose to adopt a pit-bull? I mean, what the hell? Isn't the name enough to deter someone from adopting such an objectionable canine? Or how about its track record, or behavioral tendencies? I say it's time that communities all accross America start making this breed illegal, too much harm has been done already by this breed. While were at it lets illegalize curse words, oh, and soda pop...soda pop kills more people a year than pitbulls. Oh, don't forget cars...those definitely kill more people a year, while were at it and just to make sure we don't miss anything why don't we take cars away from people too since that accounts for hundreds of thousands of lifes a year. Honestly, quit wasting money illegalizing an animal that is merely taught by its owner how to act...you know? People that go out and buy a dog then decide it would be a better fighting dog? So with this flawed logic why don't we aim at things that cause far more deaths a year like heart disease...that greasy cheese burger you enjoy once a week, say goodbye to it, those french fries, yep, those too. Less restrictions, more responsibility...that's my philosophy anyway. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm [Funnily enough, pitbulls or bulldogs are nowhere to be found.] |
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