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No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Cowboy...do you ever post without contradicting your own post? |
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No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Cowboy...do you ever post without contradicting your own post? what contradiction is there? |
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No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Cowboy...do you ever post without contradicting your own post? what contradiction is there? perhaps you know not what you type but anyway...first you claim that God does not punish nor torture anyone and in the same breath you claim that those days are long gone which is an indication that he did once upon a time torture people also do we have to go through the agony of people pulling up passages where God did punish and torture people or commanded others to do so |
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No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Cowboy...do you ever post without contradicting your own post? what contradiction is there? perhaps you know not what you type but anyway...first you claim that God does not punish nor torture anyone and in the same breath you claim that those days are long gone which is an indication that he did once upon a time torture people also do we have to go through the agony of people pulling up passages where God did punish and torture people or commanded others to do so I do know what i type. God does not "torture" anyone. Only gives righteous judgement. I never claimed that God doesn't punish us for our sins. It just is no longer done while we're on earth. There is only one judgement made now. And again, yes in the time before Jesus walked the earth people were judged on earth for their sins. But now that the word has become flesh we will be judged with one final judgement when we pass away on earth. |
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No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Cowboy...do you ever post without contradicting your own post? what contradiction is there? perhaps you know not what you type but anyway...first you claim that God does not punish nor torture anyone and in the same breath you claim that those days are long gone which is an indication that he did once upon a time torture people also do we have to go through the agony of people pulling up passages where God did punish and torture people or commanded others to do so I do know what i type. God does not "torture" anyone. Only gives righteous judgement. I never claimed that God doesn't punish us for our sins. It just is no longer done while we're on earth. There is only one judgement made now. And again, yes in the time before Jesus walked the earth people were judged on earth for their sins. But now that the word has become flesh we will be judged with one final judgement when we pass away on earth. torture that comes in the form of being righteous judgement is still torture...you said that God never torture kill/murder anyone which is clearly you once again giving false testimony |
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Not true, it's just a cause and effect way. Reason Noah and Mary was seen as acceptable in God's eyes is for one reason. Once you have been forgiven of your sins, it is written off like you have never done that action. Therefore Noah or Mary could have done a sacrifice for forgiveness and did not sin from then, thus making them perfect and without blemish. Now that Jesus has walked the earth we may be sinless through him and his sacrifice. Yes, i do realize it says everyone falls short of the glory of God. No one has been perfect on their own except for Jesus. But nevertheless we may be made perfect through Jesus. Asking for forgiveness of our previous sins and remaining sinless hence forth. And is again why Mary, Noah, and Noah's family was pure in the eyes of our father. For they repented of their sins and asked for forgiveness. And with repenting they did not do as such again. But again, no man on his own can be perfect minus the son of God. Well, that's utterly silly. If it was possible to be forgiven by God prior to the coming of Jesus, as in the case of Noah's family and Mary. Then what would be the point of Jesus? Just ask God for forgiveness directly and it's all taken care of. You just blew the whole Christian fable away entirely. |
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Not true, it's just a cause and effect way. Reason Noah and Mary was seen as acceptable in God's eyes is for one reason. Once you have been forgiven of your sins, it is written off like you have never done that action. Therefore Noah or Mary could have done a sacrifice for forgiveness and did not sin from then, thus making them perfect and without blemish. Now that Jesus has walked the earth we may be sinless through him and his sacrifice. Yes, i do realize it says everyone falls short of the glory of God. No one has been perfect on their own except for Jesus. But nevertheless we may be made perfect through Jesus. Asking for forgiveness of our previous sins and remaining sinless hence forth. And is again why Mary, Noah, and Noah's family was pure in the eyes of our father. For they repented of their sins and asked for forgiveness. And with repenting they did not do as such again. But again, no man on his own can be perfect minus the son of God. Well, that's utterly silly. If it was possible to be forgiven by God prior to the coming of Jesus, as in the case of Noah's family and Mary. Then what would be the point of Jesus? Just ask God for forgiveness directly and it's all taken care of. You just blew the whole Christian fable away entirely. No it did not blow anything away. Before Jesus there was consequence for your sins. Thus you receive punishment for stealing something, then after the punishment has been done you would then have been sinless. Sins don't stick with you. They are either forgiven or punished for. Before Jesus walked the earth we were punished for our sins. But out of the grace of our father Jesus was allowed to come and die for our sins, now offering forgiveness. Jesus died so you don't have to. Jesus took your consequence for your sin. |
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No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Cowboy...do you ever post without contradicting your own post? what contradiction is there? perhaps you know not what you type but anyway...first you claim that God does not punish nor torture anyone and in the same breath you claim that those days are long gone which is an indication that he did once upon a time torture people also do we have to go through the agony of people pulling up passages where God did punish and torture people or commanded others to do so I do know what i type. God does not "torture" anyone. Only gives righteous judgement. I never claimed that God doesn't punish us for our sins. It just is no longer done while we're on earth. There is only one judgement made now. And again, yes in the time before Jesus walked the earth people were judged on earth for their sins. But now that the word has become flesh we will be judged with one final judgement when we pass away on earth. torture that comes in the form of being righteous judgement is still torture...you said that God never torture kill/murder anyone which is clearly you once again giving false testimony No, there is no torture involved with anything. The only punishment now is death. No torture, no nothing. Before Jesus walked the earth there was still no torture. Torture is unconditional punishment. Righteous judgement is just that, a righteous judgement. With unconditional punishment there is no compassion, no forgiveness. With a judgement all elements are included in which made you do the action you did. |
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all i can type is w/o belief how can i answer this but with the word ,no
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Jesus died so you don't have to. Jesus took your consequence for your sin. But according to the fable Jesus didn't die remember? He rose from the grave and supposedly lives eternally. So if spiritual death is the payment for sins then Jesus didn't pay for anyone's sins. Being risen from the dead to be granted the gift of eternal life is what happens to saints remember? The only reward for sin is death. |
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No, there is no torture involved with anything. The only punishment now is death. No torture, no nothing. Before Jesus walked the earth there was still no torture. Torture is unconditional punishment. Righteous judgement is just that, a righteous judgement. With unconditional punishment there is no compassion, no forgiveness. With a judgement all elements are included in which made you do the action you did. Cowboy...God to prove a point to Satan allows JOB's entire family to be killed ...JOB was supposedly most faithful to GOD ...so is this what you and God call a rigtheous judgement and not torture ..so explain what did JOB do wrong for God to kill his entire family and cause JOB torment |
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Jesus died so you don't have to. Jesus took your consequence for your sin. But according to the fable Jesus didn't die remember? He rose from the grave and supposedly lives eternally. So if spiritual death is the payment for sins then Jesus didn't pay for anyone's sins. Being risen from the dead to be granted the gift of eternal life is what happens to saints remember? The only reward for sin is death. regardless of what i said was worded incorrectly, for this I apologize. Jesus sacrificed his entire life for us, he sacrificed being put through tremendous pain, he sacrificed everything about his mortal life so that we may live ever lasting in heaven. He didn't HAVE to do this. This wasn't a requirement, he did this out of love so you and I may share in the love of heaven. |
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No, there is no torture involved with anything. The only punishment now is death. No torture, no nothing. Before Jesus walked the earth there was still no torture. Torture is unconditional punishment. Righteous judgement is just that, a righteous judgement. With unconditional punishment there is no compassion, no forgiveness. With a judgement all elements are included in which made you do the action you did. Cowboy...God to prove a point to Satan allows JOB's entire family to be killed ...JOB was supposedly most faithful to GOD ...so is this what you and God call a rigtheous judgement and not torture ..so explain what did JOB do wrong for God to kill his entire family and cause JOB torment Yes, life is a life long test. Not by God for our father does not test or tempt us. But he allows Satan to tempt us, in anyway he wishes. Wasn't to prove a point wasn't anything like that, this kind of stuff happens everyday to everyone. We loose people, we loose objects, we loose jobs, we loose alot. But all that is lost is multiplied and waiting for us in heaven. Without bad things happening to us in our lives, it would be like heaven. No sickness, no pain, no anything negative is what heaven will be like. We're not in heaven. We have sickness, physical and emotional pain, tragedies and much more. Again, all that is lost to us on this world, if we do not curse God or loose faith. We will have our reward waiting for us in heaven. EVERYONE has their reward after we pass away on this earth. We will have rewards for the works we did and or the way we lived our lives. We live our lives in a holy way and try our best to serve our lord, our reward will be great. If our works and or life we live is disobedient and or bad, our rewards will be of the same manner. |
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I must accept Jesus as my savior to get to heaven... Can't do that!! I am accountable for my own actions. If I must be condemned for refusing Jesus as my savior then God can kiss my backside. If I live the live of a bad person I will reap what I sew. The best I can do is walk in grace among my fellow man as best I can even with the failings of being a mortal and a human. Again if I am to be condemned by God for my choice then God does indeed play favorites! That is what your very own dogma says does it not? Accept Jesus or perish? You don't even understand why we are to accept Jesus it does not sound like. The phrase actions speak louder then words spell it out pretty good. Ok first off, you'll agree that to work sufficiantly there needs to be laws of a kingdom, and punishment for breaking those laws. No country would work ran any other way, would be anarchy. So with that established, the kingdom of God has laid out some laws for us to abide by. Again with actions speak louder then words, when you break a law you then will be punished by this kingdom. But God offers forgiveness of our sins when we stumble and "break the law of the kingdom". And as i've repeated many times in this post, actions speak louder then words. You can say you're sorry and you won't do it again ect ect, but how is God to believe that you'll use your free will as such with just words when your previous actions have said differently? He doesn't and is why people sacrificed things for forgiveness. Eg., showing their sorry and regret through and action rather then just through words. I've said all this to show why you have to accept Jesus before you can enter into the kingdom of God. Jesus came to earth, Sacrificed his entire life for you. In the end literally sacrificed himself up for you. Thus allowing us to accept his sacrifice for our own. And with that, we are forgiven for the great sacrifice we made to our father. ALL RIGHTY NOW! First of all I did not ask Jesus to get himself killed for me. I would never ask anyone to fall on the sword for me. I cannot accept the death of anyone absolves me from sin no matter how magical you see the act. Second of all I may have done some bad in my life but on average I have done and always try to do the right thing so I really do not see myself as a sinner by any stretch of the imagination. Therefore I do not see any reason to fear judgment. I do not need a savior to save me from something I am not doing unless breathing has suddenly become a sin. I can see truth and wisdom in Jesus's two commandments and can see what he taught as a prophet but nothing more. I do not see comfort in a Shepherd "guiding" me. Now for you to tell me Jesus came and gave everything for me when I did not ask him nor had choice robs me of my free will to decline his offer. That is "stacking the deck." Remember, nothing is free, you are aware of the catch 22 becoming part of an act of murder like that? What ever happened to "Thou shall not commit murder," or be an accomplice to it? Jesus was murdered over ideology. Nope, a loving God does not give me freedom of choice and suddenly takes it away from me like that! |
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I must accept Jesus as my savior to get to heaven... Can't do that!! I am accountable for my own actions. If I must be condemned for refusing Jesus as my savior then God can kiss my backside. If I live the live of a bad person I will reap what I sew. The best I can do is walk in grace among my fellow man as best I can even with the failings of being a mortal and a human. Again if I am to be condemned by God for my choice then God does indeed play favorites! That is what your very own dogma says does it not? Accept Jesus or perish? You don't even understand why we are to accept Jesus it does not sound like. The phrase actions speak louder then words spell it out pretty good. Ok first off, you'll agree that to work sufficiantly there needs to be laws of a kingdom, and punishment for breaking those laws. No country would work ran any other way, would be anarchy. So with that established, the kingdom of God has laid out some laws for us to abide by. Again with actions speak louder then words, when you break a law you then will be punished by this kingdom. But God offers forgiveness of our sins when we stumble and "break the law of the kingdom". And as i've repeated many times in this post, actions speak louder then words. You can say you're sorry and you won't do it again ect ect, but how is God to believe that you'll use your free will as such with just words when your previous actions have said differently? He doesn't and is why people sacrificed things for forgiveness. Eg., showing their sorry and regret through and action rather then just through words. I've said all this to show why you have to accept Jesus before you can enter into the kingdom of God. Jesus came to earth, Sacrificed his entire life for you. In the end literally sacrificed himself up for you. Thus allowing us to accept his sacrifice for our own. And with that, we are forgiven for the great sacrifice we made to our father. ALL RIGHTY NOW! First of all I did not ask Jesus to get himself killed for me. I would never ask anyone to fall on the sword for me. I cannot accept the death of anyone absolves me from sin no matter how magical you see the act. Second of all I may have done some bad in my life but on average I have done and always try to do the right thing so I really do not see myself as a sinner by any stretch of the imagination. Therefore I do not see any reason to fear judgment. I do not need a savior to save me from something I am not doing unless breathing has suddenly become a sin. I can see truth and wisdom in Jesus's two commandments and can see what he taught as a prophet but nothing more. I do not see comfort in a Shepherd "guiding" me. Now for you to tell me Jesus came and gave everything for me when I did not ask him nor had choice robs me of my free will to decline his offer. That is "stacking the deck." Remember, nothing is free, you are aware of the catch 22 becoming part of an act of murder like that? What ever happened to "Thou shall not commit murder," or be an accomplice to it? Jesus was murdered over ideology. Nope, a loving God does not give me freedom of choice and suddenly takes it away from me like that! Greatest kindness is doing things out of love and are beneficiary to the person without being asked to do it. That's why surprises are so appreciated. Would you rather Jesus never having sacrificed himself for you, so that you may rejoice in the glory of heaven, or would you have rather had him not to have ever come to the earth? Right now, which would you rather have had him do? |
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Personally I would have preferred he found a more intelligent decision. God said it was wrong to commit murder. The Ten Commandments of the Hebrews says that at least. A sacrifice as defined is an act of contrition involving something of great value. Killing a person sacrificially is still Murder no matter if the victim consents or not. To "Accept" his Sacrifice is to accept his murder too. That unto itself is a contradiction of the law of God. God also is a BIG rule bender too!
I had an argument with someone I knew who was a real Satanic. The argument was the use of sacrifice ritually. The problem most "Wannabes" don't understand is that you cannot just abduct someone for the sacrifice to be accepted. For a Satanic rite to have any real meaning the sacrifice has to hurt. It has to mean something to the people performing the sacrifice. The sacrifice has to come from one of their own. Sacrificing a stranger is meaningless. A Stranger means nothing to the people trying to gain an audience with their dark lord. NOTHING says "truly evil" than sacrificing one of your own and to convince them to go willingly! Jesus's sacrifice is meaningless to me. For a sacrifice to mean something I must give up something of great value. I did not ask Jesus to give himself up for me. He foolishly took upon himself something that really was a meaningless and hollow act. There is no redemption for those who choose a life of sin. There is no need for redemption if you have not been doing bad in the first place. Jesus could have lived his life as a teacher trying to teach people to be sane but look at what we were left with instead. People cannot stand up for themselves? We are all Sheep? Last time I looked I seen a wolf staring back at me in the mirror metaphorically. So I am hell bound becasue I am a wolf? If that is the case God can so Kiss my posterior. I do all too well understand the implications of "Accepting" him as many Christians would have of me in their view of being saved. No I will not accept the death of a man absolves anyone of their sins. Either you learn to fix the damage you do or you burn for it. Plain and simple. There is no way someone can go from being a total Crud ball and Scum of Humanity to someone "redeemed" of their sins just becasue of them accepting Jesus into their lives. This whole "praise Jesus, now I am saved," stuff is self delusion. GI=GO, Forgiveness sometimes cannot be earned. You can sin so badly that there is no turning back. Serial killers for instance... yeah they suddenly feel guilty and all but what about those they killed? Does sorry bring them back to life? So suddenly god is going to be so forgiving after we killed his own becasue he wanted it done? Um, the math does not add up to anything other than Catch 22! |
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Personally I would have preferred he found a more intelligent decision. God said it was wrong to commit murder. The Ten Commandments of the Hebrews says that at least. A sacrifice as defined is an act of contrition involving something of great value. Killing a person sacrificially is still Murder no matter if the victim consents or not. To "Accept" his Sacrifice is to accept his murder too. That unto itself is a contradiction of the law of God. God also is a BIG rule bender too! I had an argument with someone I knew who was a real Satanic. The argument was the use of sacrifice ritually. The problem most "Wannabes" don't understand is that you cannot just abduct someone for the sacrifice to be accepted. For a Satanic rite to have any real meaning the sacrifice has to hurt. It has to mean something to the people performing the sacrifice. The sacrifice has to come from one of their own. Sacrificing a stranger is meaningless. A Stranger means nothing to the people trying to gain an audience with their dark lord. NOTHING says "truly evil" than sacrificing one of your own and to convince them to go willingly! Jesus's sacrifice is meaningless to me. For a sacrifice to mean something I must give up something of great value. I did not ask Jesus to give himself up for me. He foolishly took upon himself something that really was a meaningless and hollow act. There is no redemption for those who choose a life of sin. There is no need for redemption if you have not been doing bad in the first place. Jesus could have lived his life as a teacher trying to teach people to be sane but look at what we were left with instead. People cannot stand up for themselves? We are all Sheep? Last time I looked I seen a wolf staring back at me in the mirror metaphorically. So I am hell bound becasue I am a wolf? If that is the case God can so Kiss my posterior. I do all too well understand the implications of "Accepting" him as many Christians would have of me in their view of being saved. No I will not accept the death of a man absolves anyone of their sins. Either you learn to fix the damage you do or you burn for it. Plain and simple. There is no way someone can go from being a total Crud ball and Scum of Humanity to someone "redeemed" of their sins just becasue of them accepting Jesus into their lives. This whole "praise Jesus, now I am saved," stuff is self delusion. GI=GO, Forgiveness sometimes cannot be earned. You can sin so badly that there is no turning back. Serial killers for instance... yeah they suddenly feel guilty and all but what about those they killed? Does sorry bring them back to life? So suddenly god is going to be so forgiving after we killed his own becasue he wanted it done? Um, the math does not add up to anything other than Catch 22! ================================================== Personally I would have preferred he found a more intelligent decision. God said it was wrong to commit murder. The Ten Commandments of the Hebrews says that at least. A sacrifice as defined is an act of contrition involving something of great value. Killing a person sacrificially is still Murder no matter if the victim consents or not. To "Accept" his Sacrifice is to accept his murder too. That unto itself is a contradiction of the law of God. God also is a BIG rule bender too! =================================================== Jesus sacrificed his entire life for us. Is your life and the time within your life valuable to you? Is something that is sacrificed not valuable? I believe it is, that's why it's a sacrifice and being sacrificed. Jesus spent his entire life, every waking second teaching us of the laws of God in one way or other. He did not live his life for him, but he sacrificed it for us and lived for us. Which in the end ended up dying for us. He died for us so we didn't have to die, we could have ever lasting life through Jesus. It's not about murdering someone or something. In their sacrifices they didn't sacrifice people, they sacrificed things of value and something they need.. eg., "sacrifice". Something such as their great stock animal. Jesus didn't murder anyone nor did he murder himself. We as the human race are the ones that put him up on that cross to die. Yes Jesus "could" have stopped it. But that would have been going against his own teachings. We are to turn the other cheek, this wouldn't be much of turning the other cheek if he was to have done something to stop the crucifixion. But yet he was willing to go through with it, could you imagine how this made him feel that the world was willing to do this? After every miracle Jesus showed and all the great things he did and told us of, we still hung him on a cross so to speak. But yet even after all this he is still willing to forgive us of sins and disobedience to our fathers laws. What great of love is that? |
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No, there is no torture involved with anything. The only punishment now is death. No torture, no nothing. Before Jesus walked the earth there was still no torture. Torture is unconditional punishment. Righteous judgement is just that, a righteous judgement. With unconditional punishment there is no compassion, no forgiveness. With a judgement all elements are included in which made you do the action you did. Cowboy...God to prove a point to Satan allows JOB's entire family to be killed ...JOB was supposedly most faithful to GOD ...so is this what you and God call a rigtheous judgement and not torture ..so explain what did JOB do wrong for God to kill his entire family and cause JOB torment Yes, life is a life long test. Not by God for our father does not test or tempt us. But he allows Satan to tempt us, in anyway he wishes. Wasn't to prove a point wasn't anything like that, this kind of stuff happens everyday to everyone. We loose people, we loose objects, we loose jobs, we loose alot. But all that is lost is multiplied and waiting for us in heaven. Without bad things happening to us in our lives, it would be like heaven. No sickness, no pain, no anything negative is what heaven will be like. We're not in heaven. We have sickness, physical and emotional pain, tragedies and much more. Again, all that is lost to us on this world, if we do not curse God or loose faith. We will have our reward waiting for us in heaven. EVERYONE has their reward after we pass away on this earth. We will have rewards for the works we did and or the way we lived our lives. We live our lives in a holy way and try our best to serve our lord, our reward will be great. If our works and or life we live is disobedient and or bad, our rewards will be of the same manner. if God allows Satan to tempt and torture JOB by killing his entire family then it's by God's Will that Satan does this so why try to deny that God lack any responsibility because the story of JOB is about how God was trying to prove something to Satan .....the story of JOB is a story that no one can deny that God does torture his faithful but one of the most disturbing things about believers and their frame of mind is even through God allow for the faithful to be torture they remain faithful and praise the one that allows the torture because they expect to get a reward ...pain and reward falls into the realm of sado masochism |
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God plays favorites... My god plays not favorites. for he is with you as he is with me. But he does not take the steps. What steps you take will decide if you are favored by you. God will be with you even should you step wrong and fall. but he (in this day) expects you to get yourself back up. seek and ye shall find. James 4:8 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded as were the times then, this is true. as are the times now. God is with you from the moment you are. He is allways nigh unto you. Seek rather the path you would travel for god will travel it with you as he travels mine. It is the same God then as it is now. Nothing has changed. Draw nigh to God with your heart and mind, feelings and thinkings and the father will reveal himself to your mind touching your heart and showing you things you never imagined........... eg. draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh unto you. God is the same. Mankind is not, for we have grown a small bit. But your book did not. You do not have to seek god. God is not in the book... bible. The information on our father is there, but not the father himself. God can be found everyone. Since we have separated ourselves from our father with sin, we can't in an exact tense see him in a physical form. But you can still see him everywhere. Seeking God shows attempt to reach him, actions speak louder then words. And is why God has you seek him first before he reveals himself to you. For if God revealed himself to everyone right off the bat, people would have no other choice but to believe in him. But since we have to earn our way back into the kingdom his presence isn't given, but received through your own choice, your decisions, shows greater love if you are willing to seek him first rather then just handed to you on a silver platter. Wow. Now you make God sound like a complete a-hole. Are you sure you're God's rep on Earth? How is that being a complete a-hole? When someone does something terribly wrong to you, weather it's your wife cheating on you or other.. do they not have to show some form of regret for doing as such before you can truly forgive them? Or is a simple "i'm sorry, i won't do it again" good enough for you after you just caught you're wife and another man in bed together. Well, if I created my wife, and I knew what I was doing when I created her, and then she cheated on me, it would be my fault that she cheated on me. Obviously, my creation was only doing things in accordance to how she was created. Not only would it be illogical to blame her for her actions, it would pretty much make me an a-hole. If anyone should be punished for her actions, it should be me. If God created us, and He knew what He was doing when He did, then nothing we do is really our fault. We're just behaving in accordance to how we were created. Punishing us for that makes God an a-hole. Yeah yeah..free will...blah blah blah. Unfortunatly, an omnicient God who creates something negates free will. Free will necessitates the ability to be unpredictable. If God knows everything, not a whole lot is going to be unpredictable. |
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Do you fear that of which you do not know? Why must you hide and run from that which you do not understand? No one can know God. Those who have convinced themselves that they do are the ones who are running and hiding from reality. A belief in a God or a spiritual essence to life is entirely a matter of faith. It can be nothing more than this. Only those who truly understand this can truly have peace of mind. True faith is just that. You can't even begin to have faith, until you understand what it is. Faith is knowing that you can't know something but you trust that it will turn out to be true in the end. So speaking to people in a tone that implies that they do not know something that you think you know, only reveals your own lack of faith and pure desperation to know something more than you can truly know. Evangelism is a slap in the face to any God. You've stated several times that "There's nothing in it for God". God doesn't care whether a human is 'saved' or not. It's entirely up to the humans to save themselves by 'accepting' God's offer. And if they fail to recognize it or believe in it, then too frigging bad. God doesn't given a damn. But YOU DO! As an evangelist you are more concerned with spreading the "Word of God" to try to 'save' human souls. You evidently care more about human souls than God does. You don't even TRUST God to save the righteous souls without your help. In fact, in one of Funches threads you even stated that you can't be sure if Jesus will save YOU! If you're going to place your faith in a God please do yourself and everyone else a favor and at least pick a God that you can TRUST. ================================================ A belief in a God or a spiritual essence to life is entirely a matter of faith. It can be nothing more than this. ================================================ EVERYTHING is through a form of faith. Do you worry about paying the bills this month?... probably not, you have FAITH that you will get them paid Do you worry about eating tomorrow?....... probably not, you have FAITH that you will get some food tomorrow. Do you worry that your house will be burned down when you return home? .... Probably not, you have FAITH that it is safe. ect There's no proof any of these things will go through the way they are suppose to, this is all possible. So why not give our father the possibility? Why have more faith in earthly things then heavenly things? Why persist in not understanding the difference between faith and reason? What in the world does reason have to do with this?  Quite right. Faith requires a lack of ability to reason.
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