Topic: Does god have faith in YOU?
Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 09:10 AM

Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment


Then why are you constantly speaking in terms of punishments and comparing the Biblical God to a parent who is constantly punishing his children for not obeying him?

Your claims simply make no sense. You say:

1. The only reward for sin is death.
2. Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment.

If the only reward for sin is death, and ceasing to exist isn't a punishment, then what's all this constant gibberish about God punishing people for their sins?

You make about as much sense as the Bible, which is basically no sense at all.

Why do you constantly speak in terms of 'punishments'?

The reward for sin is death, not punishment. Remember. By your own declaration, "The only reward for sin is death"

In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.

The story that you try to make from this fable has no consistency or reason to it at all. These ancient fables cannot be made to make any sense at all. They are nonsense.

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Tue 10/19/10 09:22 AM


a god that "needs" faith or has faith lacks omniscience ....


Maybe God does lack omniscience to a degree. Maybe She created the universe in such a way as to contain an element of randomness.

She's the God of quantum mechanics. The God who plays dice, remember?



Jeez Abracadabra ...God is a dude not a woman ...but anyway the bible tells of God (the dude) lacking omniscience when it claimed that God "grieved"

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Tue 10/19/10 09:25 AM



a god that "needs" faith or has faith lacks omniscience ....


Maybe God does lack omniscience to a degree. Maybe She created the universe in such a way as to contain an element of randomness.

She's the God of quantum mechanics. The God who plays dice, remember?



Jeez Abracadabra ...God is a dude not a woman ...but anyway the bible tells of God (the dude) lacking omniscience when it claimed that God "grieved"


So knowing that an event is going to happen prevents emotions after the event occurs?

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Tue 10/19/10 09:29 AM




a god that "needs" faith or has faith lacks omniscience ....


Maybe God does lack omniscience to a degree. Maybe She created the universe in such a way as to contain an element of randomness.

She's the God of quantum mechanics. The God who plays dice, remember?



Jeez Abracadabra ...God is a dude not a woman ...but anyway the bible tells of God (the dude) lacking omniscience when it claimed that God "grieved"


So knowing that an event is going to happen prevents emotions after the event occurs?


especially if you are the one that intentionly cause the event ...it's called shedding "Crocodile Tears"

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 09:53 AM



a god that "needs" faith or has faith lacks omniscience ....


Maybe God does lack omniscience to a degree. Maybe She created the universe in such a way as to contain an element of randomness.

She's the God of quantum mechanics. The God who plays dice, remember?



Jeez Abracadabra ...God is a dude not a woman ...but anyway the bible tells of God (the dude) lacking omniscience when it claimed that God "grieved"


Poor God. So filled with emotion and no one to share it with. No wonder he's trying to raise pets to keep him company.

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Tue 10/19/10 10:09 AM




a god that "needs" faith or has faith lacks omniscience ....


Maybe God does lack omniscience to a degree. Maybe She created the universe in such a way as to contain an element of randomness.

She's the God of quantum mechanics. The God who plays dice, remember?



Jeez Abracadabra ...God is a dude not a woman ...but anyway the bible tells of God (the dude) lacking omniscience when it claimed that God "grieved"


Poor God. So filled with emotion and no one to share it with. No wonder he's trying to raise pets to keep him company.


well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:24 AM

well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself


Well, if he raised his pets with a little more wisdom and love he'd probably have better luck with them.

If he needs someone to talk to for advice on wisdom and love tell him to stop by, my door is always open. flowerforyou


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Tue 10/19/10 10:42 AM


well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself


Well, if he raised his pets with a little more wisdom and love he'd probably have better luck with them.

If he needs someone to talk to for advice on wisdom and love tell him to stop by, my door is always open. flowerforyou




Love to God obviously relates to torture/Death/kill/murder ...it's us humans that try to make bibical Love mean the opposite or something else

Dragoness's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:44 AM

Many profess faith in god.

I profess that god has faith in you...

Perhaps if you had that same unconditional faith in you...

Your path would never be dark.


But god doesn't have faith in me. In all major religions he/she/it states that my human nature is sinful and I need a religion to control it. The whole religious experience is about forgiving me for what I am.

noway

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 10:59 AM


Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment


Then why are you constantly speaking in terms of punishments and comparing the Biblical God to a parent who is constantly punishing his children for not obeying him?

Your claims simply make no sense. You say:

1. The only reward for sin is death.
2. Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment.

If the only reward for sin is death, and ceasing to exist isn't a punishment, then what's all this constant gibberish about God punishing people for their sins?

You make about as much sense as the Bible, which is basically no sense at all.

Why do you constantly speak in terms of 'punishments'?

The reward for sin is death, not punishment. Remember. By your own declaration, "The only reward for sin is death"

In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.

The story that you try to make from this fable has no consistency or reason to it at all. These ancient fables cannot be made to make any sense at all. They are nonsense.



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In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.
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He sacrificed his entire life for you. He sacrificed every waking second of his day for you in one way or other. In the end he sacrificed himself to go through all the pain emotionally and physically being put on that cross, for you. That is how he paid for your sins, through the sacrifices he made for you.
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1. The only reward for sin is death.
2. Ceasing to exist isn't a punishment.
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1. Yes very true
2. is a punishment depending on you. Do you wish to be with your loved ones for eternity? Do you wish to share in joyful memories with your loved ones for eternity? Or do you wish to just disappear after you pass away on earth. Punishment is only punishment if it is not what the one wants. Prison is used as punishment in the USA, but might not be punishment to someone that wishes to be there. I mean heck free rent, free everything, not having to work. How could that be punishment for someone that doesn't wish to have much in life?
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The story that you try to make from this fable has no consistency or reason to it at all. These ancient fables cannot be made to make any sense at all. They are nonsense.
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It does make sense. Most people wish to continue on enjoying living with their loved ones and having joyful memories made with them. They do not wish to say good bye when they have to pass away on this earth, is why funerals and such are so gloomy and sad. They do not wish to depart from that person. Thus, God offers us a way to not have to depart from them. Gives us a chance to be with them and enjoy each other for ever.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:04 AM



well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself


Well, if he raised his pets with a little more wisdom and love he'd probably have better luck with them.

If he needs someone to talk to for advice on wisdom and love tell him to stop by, my door is always open. flowerforyou




Love to God obviously relates to torture/Death/kill/murder ...it's us humans that try to make bibical Love mean the opposite or something else


No it does not relate to torture/death/kill/murder. God has instructed us to not do as such, but quite the opposite. We are to love one another regardless of how they act or behave. Offers us an eternity of love and enjoyment. And we aren't pets to our father. We are just that children, and he is the father of us all. If rules are not laid down and carried out that leaves you with anarchy. And the reason their needs to be a punishment for disobedience cause if nothing bad comes of an action, why would anyone then listen? They would just do as they wished, for it would be easier and they're gonna end up with the same thing if there was no punishment for disobedience.

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Tue 10/19/10 11:08 AM




well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself


Well, if he raised his pets with a little more wisdom and love he'd probably have better luck with them.

If he needs someone to talk to for advice on wisdom and love tell him to stop by, my door is always open. flowerforyou




Love to God obviously relates to torture/Death/kill/murder ...it's us humans that try to make bibical Love mean the opposite or something else


No it does not relate to torture/death/kill/murder. God has instructed us to not do as such, but quite the opposite. We are to love one another regardless of how they act or behave. Offers us an eternity of love and enjoyment. And we aren't pets to our father. We are just that children, and he is the father of us all. If rules are not laid down and carried out that leaves you with anarchy. And the reason their needs to be a punishment for disobedience cause if nothing bad comes of an action, why would anyone then listen? They would just do as they wished, for it would be easier and they're gonna end up with the same thing if there was no punishment for disobedience.


Cowboy if God's version of Love is not Death torture kill murder...that would be an indication that in Heaven everyone will still have their physical bodies ...is this true?

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:12 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Tue 10/19/10 11:12 AM





well I heard that he talks to himself or two others of himself


Well, if he raised his pets with a little more wisdom and love he'd probably have better luck with them.

If he needs someone to talk to for advice on wisdom and love tell him to stop by, my door is always open. flowerforyou




Love to God obviously relates to torture/Death/kill/murder ...it's us humans that try to make bibical Love mean the opposite or something else


No it does not relate to torture/death/kill/murder. God has instructed us to not do as such, but quite the opposite. We are to love one another regardless of how they act or behave. Offers us an eternity of love and enjoyment. And we aren't pets to our father. We are just that children, and he is the father of us all. If rules are not laid down and carried out that leaves you with anarchy. And the reason their needs to be a punishment for disobedience cause if nothing bad comes of an action, why would anyone then listen? They would just do as they wished, for it would be easier and they're gonna end up with the same thing if there was no punishment for disobedience.


Cowboy if God's version of Love is not Death torture kill murder...that would be an indication that in Heaven everyone will still have their physical bodies ...is this true?


What does our physical bodies have to do with anything? Death is the reward for sin. Just because our physical bodies "die" does not mean we've died. That's why it's also referred to as passing away and not specifically dying. When someone says "so and so has died". That's a secular expression. For when our bodies pass away, that is not death. Only in a secular aspect is it death.

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Tue 10/19/10 11:19 AM

What does our physical bodies have to do with anything?


well considering that it's the physical body that has to endure God's Love in the form of torture/kill/murder/death in order to be with God in Heaven is why the physical bodies has to do with everything

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:23 AM


What does our physical bodies have to do with anything?


well considering that it's the physical body that has to endure God's Love in the form of torture/kill/murder/death in order to be with God in Heaven is why the physical bodies has to do with everything


No, God does NOT punish nor torture anyone while still on earth. Those days are long gone since now the word has become flesh, Jesus Christ. Jesus will judge us at one final judgement, when you pass away on earth you will be face to face with Jesus to give accountability for every action you took through your life.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:26 AM


Many profess faith in god.

I profess that god has faith in you...

Perhaps if you had that same unconditional faith in you...

Your path would never be dark.


But god doesn't have faith in me. In all major religions he/she/it states that my human nature is sinful and I need a religion to control it. The whole religious experience is about forgiving me for what I am.

noway


That's right. The biblical God cannot possibly have faith in anyone. According to the biblical myth no human is capable of being sinless. Except for the Virgin Mary, and Noah and his family. But they don't count because they are "Special Cases". laugh


CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:33 AM



Many profess faith in god.

I profess that god has faith in you...

Perhaps if you had that same unconditional faith in you...

Your path would never be dark.


But god doesn't have faith in me. In all major religions he/she/it states that my human nature is sinful and I need a religion to control it. The whole religious experience is about forgiving me for what I am.

noway


That's right. The biblical God cannot possibly have faith in anyone. According to the biblical myth no human is capable of being sinless. Except for the Virgin Mary, and Noah and his family. But they don't count because they are "Special Cases". laugh




Not true, it's just a cause and effect way. Reason Noah and Mary was seen as acceptable in God's eyes is for one reason. Once you have been forgiven of your sins, it is written off like you have never done that action. Therefore Noah or Mary could have done a sacrifice for forgiveness and did not sin from then, thus making them perfect and without blemish. Now that Jesus has walked the earth we may be sinless through him and his sacrifice. Yes, i do realize it says everyone falls short of the glory of God. No one has been perfect on their own except for Jesus. But nevertheless we may be made perfect through Jesus. Asking for forgiveness of our previous sins and remaining sinless hence forth. And is again why Mary, Noah, and Noah's family was pure in the eyes of our father. For they repented of their sins and asked for forgiveness. And with repenting they did not do as such again. But again, no man on his own can be perfect minus the son of God.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:37 AM

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In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.
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He sacrificed his entire life for you. He sacrificed every waking second of his day for you in one way or other. In the end he sacrificed himself to go through all the pain emotionally and physically being put on that cross, for you. That is how he paid for your sins, through the sacrifices he made for you.
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He sacrificed his "Entire Life"?

I don't think so. Unless you're suggesting that Jesus is DEAD.

I thought he was supposed to be eternal?

If Jesus was God then his efforts here on Earth were petty.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:38 AM


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In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.
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He sacrificed his entire life for you. He sacrificed every waking second of his day for you in one way or other. In the end he sacrificed himself to go through all the pain emotionally and physically being put on that cross, for you. That is how he paid for your sins, through the sacrifices he made for you.
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He sacrificed his "Entire Life"?

I don't think so. Unless you're suggesting that Jesus is DEAD.

I thought he was supposed to be eternal?

If Jesus was God then his efforts here on Earth were petty.


Jesus sacrificed his entire life on earth.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 10/19/10 11:43 AM


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In fact, taking this to the limit we can clearly see that Jesus could not have paid for anyone sins because Jesus didn't die spiritually. Any pain or suffering that he might have endured would be totally moot because punishment and suffering have absolutely nothing to do with any payments for sin.
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He sacrificed his entire life for you. He sacrificed every waking second of his day for you in one way or other. In the end he sacrificed himself to go through all the pain emotionally and physically being put on that cross, for you. That is how he paid for your sins, through the sacrifices he made for you.
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He sacrificed his "Entire Life"?

I don't think so. Unless you're suggesting that Jesus is DEAD.

I thought he was supposed to be eternal?

If Jesus was God then his efforts here on Earth were petty.


Jesus was not our father. Yes Jesus said "The father and I are one". But i've showed that this did not mean they were one person. Everyone on a football team are as one to. They are individuals but yet they are one, they are a team. Their efforts go to achieving one thing for the team. Jesus and our father are different beings achieving one thing for the team*the world*.