Perhaps...

But seriously... I posted this expecting some simply yes or no type answer.

Do you think god has faith in you?

What you gave me was not an answer to my question but an answer to yours. So then how serious was that in reference to my question?

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God had to have been board to make an enemy he could easily beat. God made everything. God is everything. God has to be both good and evil. Again why does God even need the devil in the first place? God is too busy playing puppet master?
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God didn't make the devil in that exact sense. Lucifer aka Satan Devil, was God's most powerful angel. And because of this great power he possessed he seen himself more powerful then God. So our father kicked him out of heaven. Thus is when Satan then started causes havoc on the earth starting with tempting Eve into eating of the fruit. Satan is not in the lake of fire. Satan is in the bottom of the earth in simpler put and most usually used hell. In the end of times when God destroys Satan, he will be thrown in the lake of fire. But is allowed to remain here to cause havoc, because without that havoc earth would be like heaven and or still like the garden of Eden. Thus Satan is allowed to roam the earth causing havoc as our punishment for disobedience to our father with eating of the fruit.
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Supposedly Satan LIVES In the lake of fire. Now here is a question, if the devil is super powerful badazzed in the first place what would the devil have to fear in the lake of fire?
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Again, Satan lives in "hell". Satan obviously doesn't fear being thrown in the lake of fire for if he did he wouldn't have spoke out against the father, now would he have? And Satan has no fear for he does not think God is powerful enough to banish him to the lake of fire. Satan thinks himself to be greater then God, thus is how he was banished out of heaven. And Satan won't burn for eternity in the lake of fire. The lake of fire is only a temporary torment till his final destruction eventually of burning in the lake of fire.

I did answer your question originally before it got sidetracked into other discussion. I said yes he does have faith in us or he would never had sent his son to save us for it would have been in vein if he didn't have faith in that we would accept the sacrifice. Would have been a terrible thing to do to your only child if you had premeditated thoughts "well this won't work, these people are doomed". So again, yes God has faith in us.

I went into more detail in my post about you saying i have not answered your original question. And this here is the post i made in answering your question in less detail then my previous post about this.

Ok so he has faith in US (the human race).

Does he have faith in YOU? ...as you are Iam ...to you.

He has just as much faith in me as you. I'm nothing special. He has faith in EVERYBODY. Even mass murderer, rapists, and everyone who sins. Previous mentioned sins were mentioned for they are the worse in the eyes of man, but the father still has faith in them. Again, our father has faith in EVERYONE. Anyone and everyone can lay their life down at any time and pick up the life our father had set out for us.

If you MUST follow a path layed out for you how than can you have free will?

The two concepts clash.

Conflict results.

Therefor one is not correct.

No conflict. We do have free will. We have the ability to be obedient and the ability to be disobedient. Or we have the free will to choose the will of the father, or the will of ourselves. What do you choose your will to be? Do you choose to do the will of the father or the will of the fallen angel? There is only ying and yang, yes and no, good and bad. There's no middle grounds. Yes if we take the path of our father we'll stray off time to time, but there's always a way to get back onto the path of eternal life. And of course there then is a way to get back off the path. And we have the free will, free ability, free possibility to choose either paths.

What a limited religion.

Faith under the gun.

You obviously have no understanding of Ying/Yang each of which covers a large area and each of which has a small portion of the other incased within its 'area'. Lots of room for free will in this concept. Not binary at all.

God having faith in us is the same thing as us having faith in ourselves since we are each God.

or goddess as the case may be.

and yet...

God is still greater than I.

For he is also each of you.

and that is beyond my skills.

Not faith under the gun either. You either cease to exist after you pass away on earth, or you earn and accept the gift of heaven and eternal life. Heaven isn't a given, it's a reward. Adam and Eve's disobedience in which got us kicked out of the garden of Eden put us at odds with our father. That is why we have to earn our way back into heaven. Not "buy" our way into heaven, for there is no way to bribe our father. But with the human race having been kicked out for disobedience we need to show that we are not like Adam and eve and are obedient to get back into where they were kicked out. The only reward for sin is death. And sins carry down from generation to generation if it is not forgiven. Before Jesus walked the earth people sacrificed animals ect to be forgiven of sins. Since Jesus walked the earth and sacrificed himself for us, now we just have to accept Jesus Christ as lord and saviour to receive such a gift. And once you have done that, Jesus offers forgiveness of sins including the original sin of Adam and Eve.

Beautifully put.

I can argue this is Hell. Born to die? What a contradiction. First there is nothing and then suddenly we exist and then we die and we go to heaven?

Only blind faith gives many solace in the light that NO ONE really knows what lies beyond. I had a peek of the other side as in an Allergy test almost done me. There is nothing there. Frankly if life is a test I would hope the best I could do is transcend death itself if that is possible if there really is something beyond what we see.

Faith in Jesus is the same thing as hanging a carrot in front of a mule to get it to do what you want. I chose to face the unknown as the unknown and not think too much into a bridge I have yet to really cross.

A lot can be said about the concept of transcending the flesh but living as a ghost would be the worst. Never able to touch anyone or anything ever again. Trapped on this rock for eternity. Something next to nothing in existence. Not good.

Now for the body to transcend as well? As in immortality with the caviate that in transcending one also achieve mastery of some of the forces of the universe. Then again if something like that existed has mankind crossed paths with something like this.

For instance say a creature from millions of years managed to achieve immortality. If it didn't choose anonymity would we have and till this day viewed something like this as a god? Something that demanded appeasement and was unkillable even with nuclear weapons?

It is possible that real immortals keep that a closely guarded secret for a variety of very good reasons. Most of us will never know. There in lies a dilemma, when you fill the unknown with religion you loose sight of life and a lot of possibilities that might stagger our belief and knowledge. I still cannot see the death of one man saving all of us from our selves. The math isn't there.

I read that book. I reject the notion of the 'scapegoat'. I am responsible for the things I do. I have read also other books from the word of god. Heaven is not a 'reward' it is where you are going from the time you are created. Do you really think god would leave behind even a single atom of his creation?

It's not the fact of "just a man". The only begotten child of God was willing to come down here and die so you didn't have to. And no we don't and wouldn't see the people who have received heaven just walking around. For they are not walking around, they are resting. That is why it says "The dead in Christ shall rise first"

And no with religion nothing is loss. No possibilities or anything is lost, it's all still there.

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I can argue this is Hell. Born to die? What a contradiction. First there is nothing and then suddenly we exist and then we die and we go to heaven?
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And again, death is a penalty for the humans disobedience to our father, eg., the only reward for sin is death. We were put here to live for eternity in the garden of Eden. It is Satan and the people of that time that screwed that up being disobedient and having us punished with death. But even though there was disobedience our father offers redemption and a way back into the garden.

Our father is leaving nothing. Sin separates us from our father and it is us through our free will whom choose to sin,thus choose to be separate from our father.

Jesus said we are all children of god or have you forgotten that?

No i have not, but how is that relevant? Parents usually punish their children for disobedience. And if the child absolutely refuses to acknowledge someone as their parent, would that parent not give the child up for adoption and or have the law take care of it having the child taken into the custody of the law? Thus separating the child from the parent.

Yes one time or two or more the parent can and will continue to try to make a relationship with the child. But theirs only so much a parent can do to show the child love. And with the fact that you can't "force" that child to accept you as their parent and or love you, what more can you do other then allowing the child to leave?


*please don't get all technical about therapy, doctors, ect for this form of stuff on earth. We have to look at this as a relationship with just the child and parent, no other influences involved. For their is no therapists and or doctors for the relation between you and the father.*

there are only two choices in life, that create all things human into existence...

the fight for self, and the fight for other's.

religion induce the fight for self in the mortal, to produce out of a mortal, when religion hath soured the belly, the fight for other's.

lest ye have forgotten, twas said, one day man shall find the kingdom of heaven lay within...

yea, and as well, heaven shall be created on earth.

and as well, no man shall enter the kindgom of heaven lest it see thru the eye's of a child...

no child hath religion, rather adults feed children religion...

and as well, how one came into the world one shall leave, naked and blind...

so if one wish to exist the mortal perception, forsaking such for an immortal perception, than it only need see itself as naked and blind, which religion cannot provide.

for the mortal pride dictate to prove to self it know's the way, filling the mind with but illusion's held to as self intelligence, but such only be as a religious child, that believe it can drive the car of the cosmos as an expert.

for the more one prove to itself it knows nothing, the more it can know.

the more one prove to itself it know's, the less it knows each day unto utter blindness.