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No still haven't caught anything. When the bible speaks of death, it's not talking about our physical bodies. You either receive the gift of heaven or die. EVERYONE of our bodies will die. These bodies aren't eternal. But that doesn't work either because Jesus didn't die in spirit. So his so-called "death to pay for our sins" would be meaningless since he only died in body but his spirit supposedly lives on. No spiritual death = no payment for sins based on this interpretation. The whole mythology is just one contradiction after another, after another, endlessly. I've been through this many times. The mythology makes no sense, and cannot be made to make any sense. People like you who believe that you are making sense of it are simply missing the main points. I understand that it's important to you to believe that this mythology is true because you can't imagine having 'faith' in something that hadn't already been at least written down as a mythology. You see, I have no need for that at all. If you want to believe that there is a spiritual essence to life then just believe it. You don't need to assign that belief to any particular mythology. Also, if you want to believe in a truly wise and righteous God, then you'd be far better off dumping these ancient bigoted and male-chauvinistic religions. There's nothing righteous or wise about them. If you want to believe in a truly righteous and wise God then just imagine one in your mind. If God can't live up to your mere mortal imagination then this would be a failing on God's part, not yours. If you want to believe in a truly "Perfect" creator, then just do so. There's nothing perfect about idea of a creator who condemns people for not believing in an ugly male-chauvinistic mythology where God uses utterly stupid and violent means to deal with all his problems. The very idea of a God who is sick enough to be appeased by having his only begotten son nailed to a pole is more than enough to show that this mythology is far from representing any all-wise perfect Creator. There is no justification for such a sick and gory act by a supposedly all-wise and all-powerful God. That very act can be nothing more than an act of pure desperation by a God who can't do any better either intellectually or physically. Such a God would clearly be both powerless and unwise. So why insult your Creator by believing that such a gory horrible mythology might actually represent what the Creator is like? I wouldn't insult my Creator by even suggesting that these stories might reflect his or her "divine" nature. Why insult God by supporting such a sick mythology? I don't understand why you are so anxious to believe that God is like these ancient Hebrews claim. Why place your faith in THEM? They clearly didn't even agree with each other! Like I've always said, if I'm going to place faith in anything I'll place my faith in the idea that my Creator is far wiser than those ancient male-chauvinistic Hebrews. For me to lower myself to believe in the ancient Hebrew mythologies would be an insult to both myself and my Creator. Why would I want to do that? To believe in atheism would be a better compliment to God than to believe in the ancient Hebrew myths. "But that doesn't work either because Jesus didn't die in spirit" -------------------------- Again there are two types of death. Death of the body and death of the soul. Because the only reward for sin is death, that doesn't mean if you lie you are going to drop over dead right then and there. God gives us time to repent of such actions. ==================================================== So his so-called "death to pay for our sins" would be meaningless since he only died in body but his spirit supposedly lives on. ----------------------------- No it's not pointless. Can you even begin to grasp the pain emotionally and physically Jesus went through for us during his crucification? Jesus didn't have to go through all that. He could have backed out at anytime, but no Jesus continued on his path of life doing our Fathers will. That is what he sacrificed, he gave his mortal body and life up for us so that we may have ever lasting life. ======================================================= If you want to believe in a truly "Perfect" creator, then just do so. There's nothing perfect about idea of a creator who condemns people for not believing in an ugly male-chauvinistic mythology where God uses utterly stupid and violent means to deal with all his problems ------------------------ But our father doesn't do anything utterly stupid and violent mean to deal with all his problems........... our father has no problems, this is all about us. It's not like us going to heaven makes our father stronger, this is all about us. ====================================================== And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. US GOING TO HEAVEN IS NOT FOR OUR FATHER. Benefits him nothing. Doesn't make him more powerful, wiser, stronger, or ANYTHING. It's all for us and him giving his children a great future if they wish to have it. Heaven is a reward, it's not a given. It's earned, it's not given. So how is it our Father is failing if someone doesn't make it? Wouldn't it have been that person failing rather then our father? I believe so. Just because your child doesn't listen to you no matter what you've told him/her doesn't make you a bad parent. Nor are you responsible for their actions. Same with our heavenly father, he's not responsible for getting us to heaven, it's our job, our choice, our decisions, and our actions that will either get us there or not. So then CG, why would your god feel the need to change his laws in the first place? Were they not good enough? Change can either be good or bad. But what is really sad is even after reading this post; you contradict what you say just to justify an outdated religion. If your god was real then have him come down here and straighten thing's out before the world destroys itself. Seriously, what we are doing now is TEN million times worst than what was going on back when a group of folks decide to imply their believes upon others... And I am sure you will come up with a non conforming answer... God will only send his son when he's ready... Yeah right... Compared to what we humans of today’s world are doing, I would think he would have the balls to show up now and say "stop you fools"; compared to the minuet trouble of those times... And then if your god can not accept me without imposing that” I must believe in him” garbage for myself trying to do the best that I can without harming others or breaking rules or laws then that is a god I will not accept… And one more for the road, why was it that “your god” only added the new lands way after they were found by explorers, for an almighty god that equals a giant FAIL. There are too many revisions of failure or truth and to accept this religion. What I see is a god that is a coward who feels he has to hide from his “people”, but one that has to use fear and capital punishment to spread his words… Yes I did say hide since he don’t have the balls to show himself in these time like he did back then |
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And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. US GOING TO HEAVEN IS NOT FOR OUR FATHER. Benefits him nothing. Doesn't make him more powerful, wiser, stronger, or ANYTHING. It's all for us and him giving his children a great future if they wish to have it. Heaven is a reward, it's not a given. It's earned, it's not given. So how is it our Father is failing if someone doesn't make it? Wouldn't it have been that person failing rather then our father? I believe so. Just because your child doesn't listen to you no matter what you've told him/her doesn't make you a bad parent. Nor are you responsible for their actions. Same with our heavenly father, he's not responsible for getting us to heaven, it's our job, our choice, our decisions, and our actions that will either get us there or not. So, why'd he invite Jeffrey Dahmer, a serial killer and cannibal, in? All he had to do to 'earn' this confess sorrow for his past to the prison ministery and :::poof::: he was 'saved' and went to Heaven. It seems none of the Christian apologists on these boards ever want to address this issue. Always the helpful one, might I suggest you pawn it off on his being a victim of Satanic influence. -Kerry O. |
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And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. US GOING TO HEAVEN IS NOT FOR OUR FATHER. Benefits him nothing. Doesn't make him more powerful, wiser, stronger, or ANYTHING. It's all for us and him giving his children a great future if they wish to have it. Heaven is a reward, it's not a given. It's earned, it's not given. So how is it our Father is failing if someone doesn't make it? Wouldn't it have been that person failing rather then our father? I believe so. Just because your child doesn't listen to you no matter what you've told him/her doesn't make you a bad parent. Nor are you responsible for their actions. Same with our heavenly father, he's not responsible for getting us to heaven, it's our job, our choice, our decisions, and our actions that will either get us there or not. So, why'd he invite Jeffrey Dahmer, a serial killer and cannibal, in? All he had to do to 'earn' this confess sorrow for his past to the prison ministery and :::poof::: he was 'saved' and went to Heaven. It seems none of the Christian apologists on these boards ever want to address this issue. Always the helpful one, might I suggest you pawn it off on his being a victim of Satanic influence. -Kerry O. No, it seems some just argue for the sake of arguing. Who, "on these boards" avoids this issue? None, that's who. People "on these boards" continually state that it's only God's place to judge, but you somehow ignore that fact? Just because you think that a confession to a man absolves a person of their sins does NOT mean that God or others feel the same way. So the real issue is that you think Christians believe Dahlmer would be accepted to heaven for the mere coffesion of sorrow. That just shows a bigoted viewpoint where you assume to know what's in people's hearts and thoughts... |
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"..all religion sucks"
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And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. US GOING TO HEAVEN IS NOT FOR OUR FATHER. Benefits him nothing. Doesn't make him more powerful, wiser, stronger, or ANYTHING. It's all for us and him giving his children a great future if they wish to have it. Heaven is a reward, it's not a given. It's earned, it's not given. So how is it our Father is failing if someone doesn't make it? Wouldn't it have been that person failing rather then our father? I believe so. Just because your child doesn't listen to you no matter what you've told him/her doesn't make you a bad parent. Nor are you responsible for their actions. Same with our heavenly father, he's not responsible for getting us to heaven, it's our job, our choice, our decisions, and our actions that will either get us there or not. So, why'd he invite Jeffrey Dahmer, a serial killer and cannibal, in? All he had to do to 'earn' this confess sorrow for his past to the prison ministery and :::poof::: he was 'saved' and went to Heaven. It seems none of the Christian apologists on these boards ever want to address this issue. Always the helpful one, might I suggest you pawn it off on his being a victim of Satanic influence. -Kerry O. we can squash the notion that anyone, christian or non , can determine who God has or hasnt 'let in' from these modern times,,, Im not sure where that part of the debate even came in as I have NEVER heard a pastor or religious official make such a definitive claim at funerals the pastor usually invokes Gods forgiveness in prayer that the sould be 'let in',, but I have certainly never been told by any Christian that Ghandi or Dahmer were or werent in heaven with God its Gods decision is all I have EVER been told and a sinner who repents has all the opportunity to see God as anyone else,,,but it will still be Gods decision |
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All righty now, this goes out to the Islamics and Christians, and Jews, and EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE!
God makes man. Man gets to thinking. Man begins to worship God but something goes wrong. Man bends God to his image. Many men, many images and all of them different. Then all these men fight over who is right. God Doesn't care becasue this life the strong survive the weak perish. So now we got all this bickering and in fighting among us over a stupid idea of who God is supposed to be! Worst is that man has invented words for God when God never said anything to us. Worst is when a man comes up with a brilliant idea the others kill him and pervert his great idea and turn it into something demonic! Islam judges people readily for not being Islamic. Christians do too. Classically if you were not born Jewish then you could not be Jewish. These days they do allow converts. Almost all religions claim to be shepherds to mankind. Islam too. Funny though, I sure don't look like or feel like a sheep! This thread is a lesson in how corrupt religion has become. There are people here who come off judging others just on ideals alone! Others are smart enough to see the contradiction speaking for god. Heck, look up some of the shart the Greek Gods had done to mortals. The story of Medusa is a classic of the victim being punished for the sins of the Gods! Face it, the God of Islam and Christianity is a mass murderer! |
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All righty now, this goes out to the Islamics and Christians, and Jews, and EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE! Worried about the splinter in someone else's eye while ignoring the log in your own??? God makes man. Man gets to thinking. Man begins to worship God but something goes wrong. Man bends God to his image. Many men, many images and all of them different. Then all these men fight over who is right. Oh, but you know better and are here to set us straight, right? God Doesn't care becasue this life the strong survive the weak perish. So now we got all this bickering and in fighting among us over a stupid idea of who God is supposed to be! Right, and we're supposed to somehow believe you know God's feelings and cares as you insult other's beliefs? Worst is that man has invented words for God when God never said anything to us. Remember this, I'll reference it later... Worst is when a man comes up with a brilliant idea the others kill him and pervert his great idea and turn it into something demonic! Two things that are "worst"? Maybe you meant to use the word "worse", but oh well, not important... Islam judges people readily for not being Islamic. Christians do too. Islam is a religion, Christian(s) are a group of people. Is there a reason for comparing apples to oranges? Is it because you read Romans 2 or are you just confused? Classically if you were not born Jewish then you could not be Jewish. These days they do allow converts. Again, confusion... look up the word "circumcision", there you can find out what is, (and was), required for conversion to Judaism. Almost all religions claim to be shepherds to mankind. Islam too. Funny though, I sure don't look like or feel like a sheep! This thread is a lesson in how corrupt religion has become. There are people here who come off judging others just on ideals alone! Others are smart enough to see the contradiction speaking for god. This shows your confusion... Judging others on ideals alone? What the hell did you just do to Islam and Christians? "Others are smart enough"???? That's a bit pretentious, don't you think? I sure think so... Heck, look up some of the shart the Greek Gods had done to mortals. The story of Medusa is a classic of the victim being punished for the sins of the Gods! Face it, the God of Islam and Christianity is a mass murderer! Face it, unless you claim to have spoken to God, you are using texts which you have no "faith" in, to codemn God as a mass murderer. |
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AndyBgood wrote: Heck, look up some of the shart the Greek Gods had done to mortals. The story of Medusa is a classic of the victim being punished for the sins of the Gods! Face it, the God of Islam and Christianity is a mass murderer! Peter_Pan replied Face it, unless you claim to have spoken to God, you are using texts which you have no "faith" in, to codemn God as a mass murderer. But he's speaking directly to the mythologies which are the basis of these religions. These mythologies make claims about these gods behaviors and reasoning. Therefore it's perfectly justifiable to state that these gods are indeed mass murderers based on the stories alone. There's no need for any "faith". Just read the story, assume that it's TRUE, and go from there. If these stories are true then the gods they depict are unjust fools, IMHO. There's no need to have "faith" one way or the other. If it's pure fiction the god is a jerk, if it's true the god is still a jerk. It doesn't matter. Nothing has changed. A jerk is a jerk whether in fiction or reality. |
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No still haven't caught anything. When the bible speaks of death, it's not talking about our physical bodies. You either receive the gift of heaven or die. EVERYONE of our bodies will die. These bodies aren't eternal. But that doesn't work either because Jesus didn't die in spirit. So his so-called "death to pay for our sins" would be meaningless since he only died in body but his spirit supposedly lives on. No spiritual death = no payment for sins based on this interpretation. The whole mythology is just one contradiction after another, after another, endlessly. I've been through this many times. The mythology makes no sense, and cannot be made to make any sense. People like you who believe that you are making sense of it are simply missing the main points. I understand that it's important to you to believe that this mythology is true because you can't imagine having 'faith' in something that hadn't already been at least written down as a mythology. You see, I have no need for that at all. If you want to believe that there is a spiritual essence to life then just believe it. You don't need to assign that belief to any particular mythology. Also, if you want to believe in a truly wise and righteous God, then you'd be far better off dumping these ancient bigoted and male-chauvinistic religions. There's nothing righteous or wise about them. If you want to believe in a truly righteous and wise God then just imagine one in your mind. If God can't live up to your mere mortal imagination then this would be a failing on God's part, not yours. If you want to believe in a truly "Perfect" creator, then just do so. There's nothing perfect about idea of a creator who condemns people for not believing in an ugly male-chauvinistic mythology where God uses utterly stupid and violent means to deal with all his problems. The very idea of a God who is sick enough to be appeased by having his only begotten son nailed to a pole is more than enough to show that this mythology is far from representing any all-wise perfect Creator. There is no justification for such a sick and gory act by a supposedly all-wise and all-powerful God. That very act can be nothing more than an act of pure desperation by a God who can't do any better either intellectually or physically. Such a God would clearly be both powerless and unwise. So why insult your Creator by believing that such a gory horrible mythology might actually represent what the Creator is like? I wouldn't insult my Creator by even suggesting that these stories might reflect his or her "divine" nature. Why insult God by supporting such a sick mythology? I don't understand why you are so anxious to believe that God is like these ancient Hebrews claim. Why place your faith in THEM? They clearly didn't even agree with each other! Like I've always said, if I'm going to place faith in anything I'll place my faith in the idea that my Creator is far wiser than those ancient male-chauvinistic Hebrews. For me to lower myself to believe in the ancient Hebrew mythologies would be an insult to both myself and my Creator. Why would I want to do that? To believe in atheism would be a better compliment to God than to believe in the ancient Hebrew myths. "But that doesn't work either because Jesus didn't die in spirit" -------------------------- Again there are two types of death. Death of the body and death of the soul. Because the only reward for sin is death, that doesn't mean if you lie you are going to drop over dead right then and there. God gives us time to repent of such actions. ==================================================== So his so-called "death to pay for our sins" would be meaningless since he only died in body but his spirit supposedly lives on. ----------------------------- No it's not pointless. Can you even begin to grasp the pain emotionally and physically Jesus went through for us during his crucification? Jesus didn't have to go through all that. He could have backed out at anytime, but no Jesus continued on his path of life doing our Fathers will. That is what he sacrificed, he gave his mortal body and life up for us so that we may have ever lasting life. ======================================================= If you want to believe in a truly "Perfect" creator, then just do so. There's nothing perfect about idea of a creator who condemns people for not believing in an ugly male-chauvinistic mythology where God uses utterly stupid and violent means to deal with all his problems ------------------------ But our father doesn't do anything utterly stupid and violent mean to deal with all his problems........... our father has no problems, this is all about us. It's not like us going to heaven makes our father stronger, this is all about us. ====================================================== And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. US GOING TO HEAVEN IS NOT FOR OUR FATHER. Benefits him nothing. Doesn't make him more powerful, wiser, stronger, or ANYTHING. It's all for us and him giving his children a great future if they wish to have it. Heaven is a reward, it's not a given. It's earned, it's not given. So how is it our Father is failing if someone doesn't make it? Wouldn't it have been that person failing rather then our father? I believe so. Just because your child doesn't listen to you no matter what you've told him/her doesn't make you a bad parent. Nor are you responsible for their actions. Same with our heavenly father, he's not responsible for getting us to heaven, it's our job, our choice, our decisions, and our actions that will either get us there or not. So then CG, why would your god feel the need to change his laws in the first place? Were they not good enough? Change can either be good or bad. But what is really sad is even after reading this post; you contradict what you say just to justify an outdated religion. If your god was real then have him come down here and straighten thing's out before the world destroys itself. Seriously, what we are doing now is TEN million times worst than what was going on back when a group of folks decide to imply their believes upon others... And I am sure you will come up with a non conforming answer... God will only send his son when he's ready... Yeah right... Compared to what we humans of today’s world are doing, I would think he would have the balls to show up now and say "stop you fools"; compared to the minuet trouble of those times... And then if your god can not accept me without imposing that” I must believe in him” garbage for myself trying to do the best that I can without harming others or breaking rules or laws then that is a god I will not accept… And one more for the road, why was it that “your god” only added the new lands way after they were found by explorers, for an almighty god that equals a giant FAIL. There are too many revisions of failure or truth and to accept this religion. What I see is a god that is a coward who feels he has to hide from his “people”, but one that has to use fear and capital punishment to spread his words… Yes I did say hide since he don’t have the balls to show himself in these time like he did back then Everything works in phases and steps. Day/night Summer/winter heck even the shape of the moon. So while their was a small population of people on the earth it was easiest just to have them judge one another, eg., eye for an eye. Then as the world gained more pop, it only made sense to have one being do the judging to ensure a just ruling and not have greed and other foul emotions get in the way. Cause more as time goes on further the general population of the earth moves away from our father. |
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AndyBgood wrote: Heck, look up some of the shart the Greek Gods had done to mortals. The story of Medusa is a classic of the victim being punished for the sins of the Gods! Face it, the God of Islam and Christianity is a mass murderer! Peter_Pan replied Face it, unless you claim to have spoken to God, you are using texts which you have no "faith" in, to codemn God as a mass murderer. But he's speaking directly to the mythologies which are the basis of these religions. These mythologies make claims about these gods behaviors and reasoning. Therefore it's perfectly justifiable to state that these gods are indeed mass murderers based on the stories alone. There's no need for any "faith". Just read the story, assume that it's TRUE, and go from there. If these stories are true then the gods they depict are unjust fools, IMHO. There's no need to have "faith" one way or the other. If it's pure fiction the god is a jerk, if it's true the god is still a jerk. It doesn't matter. Nothing has changed. A jerk is a jerk whether in fiction or reality. You continuasly try to call God's judgement murder. Have you EVER looked up the definition of murder? ========================================= Murder = 1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. 2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder. 3. A flock of crows. ========================================= So as you can see it is the UNLAWFUL killing of someone. If someone is judged and sentenced to being stoned, then there for it is not unlawful and so on that note it is not murder. |
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AndyBgood wrote: Heck, look up some of the shart the Greek Gods had done to mortals. The story of Medusa is a classic of the victim being punished for the sins of the Gods! Face it, the God of Islam and Christianity is a mass murderer! Peter_Pan replied Face it, unless you claim to have spoken to God, you are using texts which you have no "faith" in, to codemn God as a mass murderer. But he's speaking directly to the mythologies which are the basis of these religions. These mythologies make claims about these gods behaviors and reasoning. Therefore it's perfectly justifiable to state that these gods are indeed mass murderers based on the stories alone. There's no need for any "faith". Just read the story, assume that it's TRUE, and go from there. If these stories are true then the gods they depict are unjust fools, IMHO. There's no need to have "faith" one way or the other. If it's pure fiction the god is a jerk, if it's true the god is still a jerk. It doesn't matter. Nothing has changed. A jerk is a jerk whether in fiction or reality. You continuasly try to call God's judgement murder. Have you EVER looked up the definition of murder? ========================================= Murder = 1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. 2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder. 3. A flock of crows. ========================================= So as you can see it is the UNLAWFUL killing of someone. If someone is judged and sentenced to being stoned, then there for it is not unlawful and so on that note it is not murder. Your replies ignore the facts. Based on your reasoning no God could be a murder because by very definition the God is the ultimate judge. Therefore a God is "always" justified in killing anyone at any time. The problem is that these fables simple don't give proper justification to these Gods. In the case of Greek Mythology no justification was required. The reason being that Zeus did not need to be a "righteous" God. Zeus could kill you simply because he didn't like the way you looked at him. He didn't need to "justify" anything. However the Biblical God is a completely other story. The Biblical God is "supposed" to be a righteous and just God, yet the stories that are told do not support that premise. This God kills people without proper justification. Thus he's a murderer. In fact, this God gave his permission to Satan to murder Job's entire family just to make a point to Job. That's MURDER. So these fables simply don't support the "righteousness" that they claim their God supposedly has as a character trait. The fables themselves demand that this God is a murderer. |
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AndyBgood wrote: Heck, look up some of the shart the Greek Gods had done to mortals. The story of Medusa is a classic of the victim being punished for the sins of the Gods! Face it, the God of Islam and Christianity is a mass murderer! Peter_Pan replied Face it, unless you claim to have spoken to God, you are using texts which you have no "faith" in, to codemn God as a mass murderer. But he's speaking directly to the mythologies which are the basis of these religions. These mythologies make claims about these gods behaviors and reasoning. Therefore it's perfectly justifiable to state that these gods are indeed mass murderers based on the stories alone. There's no need for any "faith". Just read the story, assume that it's TRUE, and go from there. If these stories are true then the gods they depict are unjust fools, IMHO. There's no need to have "faith" one way or the other. If it's pure fiction the god is a jerk, if it's true the god is still a jerk. It doesn't matter. Nothing has changed. A jerk is a jerk whether in fiction or reality. You continuasly try to call God's judgement murder. Have you EVER looked up the definition of murder? ========================================= Murder = 1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. 2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder. 3. A flock of crows. ========================================= So as you can see it is the UNLAWFUL killing of someone. If someone is judged and sentenced to being stoned, then there for it is not unlawful and so on that note it is not murder. Your replies ignore the facts. Based on your reasoning no God could be a murder because by very definition the God is the ultimate judge. Therefore a God is "always" justified in killing anyone at any time. The problem is that these fables simple don't give proper justification to these Gods. In the case of Greek Mythology no justification was required. The reason being that Zeus did not need to be a "righteous" God. Zeus could kill you simply because he didn't like the way you looked at him. He didn't need to "justify" anything. However the Biblical God is a completely other story. The Biblical God is "supposed" to be a righteous and just God, yet the stories that are told do not support that premise. This God kills people without proper justification. Thus he's a murderer. In fact, this God gave his permission to Satan to murder Job's entire family just to make a point to Job. That's MURDER. So these fables simply don't support the "righteousness" that they claim their God supposedly has as a character trait. The fables themselves demand that this God is a murderer. Job's family was judged and sentenced. The only reward for sin is death. |
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And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. Because that's precisely what the Abraham mythology claims. I didn't write the story. It doesn't start out claiming that some cosmic creator created life as a "Test" to see if souls can earn their way into Heaven. On the contrary it's an utterly silly story of a plan that basically went haywire because mankind supposed "Fell from Grace". And mankind didn't even fall from grace on his own merit, he had to be coerced by a demon that God allowed to contaminate mankind. The male-chauvinism starts right there as well, by having woman being the culprit who led mankind into sin.  This mythology is so far from being divine that it truly isn't even worthy of consideration, IMHO. It's not about a creator who created physical life to "test" spirits. That clearly wasn't the original plan. Had it been the original plan there would be no need for any "Fall from Grace" story. It would simply be a story of a creator who creates physical beings to test to see if they are worthy of becoming spiritual beings. That is not the Abrahamic story. Sorry, but it just isn't. You keep trying to twist his fable into something its not. |
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And you continually speak in a way to make it sound like our father is failing at something or can't do something and so on. Because that's precisely what the Abraham mythology claims. I didn't write the story. It doesn't start out claiming that some cosmic creator created life as a "Test" to see if souls can earn their way into Heaven. On the contrary it's an utterly silly story of a plan that basically went haywire because mankind supposed "Fell from Grace". And mankind didn't even fall from grace on his own merit, he had to be coerced by a demon that God allowed to contaminate mankind. The male-chauvinism starts right there as well, by having woman being the culprit who led mankind into sin. This mythology is so far from being divine that it truly isn't even worthy of consideration, IMHO. It's not about a creator who created physical life to "test" spirits. That clearly wasn't the original plan. Had it been the original plan there would be no need for any "Fall from Grace" story. It would simply be a story of a creator who creates physical beings to test to see if they are worthy of becoming spiritual beings. That is not the Abrahamic story. Sorry, but it just isn't. You keep trying to twist his fable into something its not. Life isn't a test lol. Life isn't like high school and heaven is graduation. ROFL. Life on earth is for us to grow. Grow stronger in our love for our father and spiritually. No one ever goes to heaven my friend, heaven is brought to earth. When we pass away, it won't end there. This is just a stepping stone in our existence. And you repeatedly state that it just doesn't fit....... WHAT just doesn't fit? You can't come up with contradictions that are truly contradictions, you can't find any fault in any of it in that way? So what doesn't fit? |
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Job's family was judged and sentenced. The only reward for sin is death. Where do you come up with that?  That's not what the story claims. The story claims that all of those people were killed to test Job's faith. It says nothing about judging his family on their individual merit. Moreover, if all men are sinners, and the only reward for sin is death, then what's the point to the religion at all? God may as well just blow up the sun in a supernova and get it over with. If you're trying to claim that now we can obtain some sort of "amnesty" through Jesus, that too makes no sense, because there would have been no reason to even bother keeping humanity alive up to that point in the first place. The flood and saving Noah's family would have been an utterly futile act. You refuse to even recognize that Noah was without sin. Yet if Noah was a sinner then he should have been killed in the flood, because as you continually preach; "The only reward for sin is death!" This fable cannot be made to work, no matter how hard you try. ~~~~ You've already seen that it can't work. I've argued why mankind cannot have brought "death" into this world, because we know that death had existed prior to mankind. Thus the fable is exposed as a false myth. You argue that the bible isn't referring to physical death, but instead it refers to "spiritual death" to pay for sins. But that falls flat on its face when it comes to Jesus supposedly "dying" to pay for the sins of all mankind. Jesus clearly did not die a "spiritual death" since he continues to live spiritual at the right-hand of God. Thus he could have only died a physical death. But BINGO! That blows away the idea that sin must be paid for via spiritual death. It's an unworkable fable. Period. |
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Job's family was judged and sentenced. The only reward for sin is death. Where do you come up with that? That's not what the story claims. The story claims that all of those people were killed to test Job's faith. It says nothing about judging his family on their individual merit. Moreover, if all men are sinners, and the only reward for sin is death, then what's the point to the religion at all? God may as well just blow up the sun in a supernova and get it over with. If you're trying to claim that now we can obtain some sort of "amnesty" through Jesus, that too makes no sense, because there would have been no reason to even bother keeping humanity alive up to that point in the first place. The flood and saving Noah's family would have been an utterly futile act. You refuse to even recognize that Noah was without sin. Yet if Noah was a sinner then he should have been killed in the flood, because as you continually preach; "The only reward for sin is death!" This fable cannot be made to work, no matter how hard you try. ~~~~ You've already seen that it can't work. I've argued why mankind cannot have brought "death" into this world, because we know that death had existed prior to mankind. Thus the fable is exposed as a false myth. You argue that the bible isn't referring to physical death, but instead it refers to "spiritual death" to pay for sins. But that falls flat on its face when it comes to Jesus supposedly "dying" to pay for the sins of all mankind. Jesus clearly did not die a "spiritual death" since he continues to live spiritual at the right-hand of God. Thus he could have only died a physical death. But BINGO! That blows away the idea that sin must be paid for via spiritual death. It's an unworkable fable. Period. =================================== Moreover, if all men are sinners, and the only reward for sin is death, then what's the point to the religion at all? God may as well just blow up the sun in a supernova and get it over with. =================================== There is ways to recieve forgiveness from our father. Thus accepting Jesus' sacrifice for our own. Repenting from sinful actions, which God offers forgiveness in the times we stumble. ------------------------------------------- ================================== If you're trying to claim that now we can obtain some sort of "amnesty" through Jesus, that too makes no sense, because there would have been no reason to even bother keeping humanity alive up to that point in the first place. ================================== Before Jesus sacrificed himself for us all, people would sacrifice things such as their best stock animal, eg., biggest mule. And or anything that was of importance to them and was needed, they gave it up in a showing of remorse for doing such an actions, kind of punishing themselves. ----------------------------------------------- ==================================== You've already seen that it can't work. I've argued why mankind cannot have brought "death" into this world, because we know that death had existed prior to mankind. Thus the fable is exposed as a false myth. ===================================== No we do not KNOW anything. My friend science is mainly THEORIES. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. There is ABSOLUTELY NO absolute facts with theories. ------------------------------------------------ ========================================= You argue that the bible isn't referring to physical death, but instead it refers to "spiritual death" to pay for sins. But that falls flat on its face when it comes to Jesus supposedly "dying" to pay for the sins of all mankind. Jesus clearly did not die a "spiritual death" since he continues to live spiritual at the right-hand of God. Thus he could have only died a physical death. But BINGO! That blows away the idea that sin must be paid for via spiritual death. ========================================= Jesus' sacrifice wasn't only the cross. Jesus sacrificed his entire life and all his everything for us. He could have been ANYTHING professional wise, raised a family, and so on. But no Jesus sacrificed his ENTIRE life for us to teach us of God's will. |
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And you repeatedly state that it just doesn't fit....... WHAT just doesn't fit? You can't come up with contradictions that are truly contradictions, you can't find any fault in any of it in that way? So what doesn't fit? What are you talking about? Nothing fits. Nothing works. The whole thing is based on a Zeus-like jealous godhead who is supposedly appeased by blood sacrifices, but even that is contradicted in the Bible and I've pointed that out to you in verse several times. You refuse to acknowledge these blatant contradictions. You refuse to acknowledge the idea that mankind was supposed to be responsible for bringing death into the world via his fall from grace. You refuse to acknowledge that Jesus could not have possibly "paid" for the sins of mankind via a mere physical death, yet he clearly did not die a spiritual death. NONE of it works. Nada, zip, zilch. You also claim that the "only" reward for sin is death. Yet you claim that the "only" person who was ever sinless was Jesus. Therefore there would have been no reason for God to have saved Noah and his family during the Great Flood. If the "only" reward for sin is death, and Noah and his family were sinners, and all sins are equal as you often claim, then Noah and his family should have been drowned with all the other sinners. NOTHING makes sense in this story. NOTHING. |
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And you repeatedly state that it just doesn't fit....... WHAT just doesn't fit? You can't come up with contradictions that are truly contradictions, you can't find any fault in any of it in that way? So what doesn't fit? What are you talking about? Nothing fits. Nothing works. The whole thing is based on a Zeus-like jealous godhead who is supposedly appeased by blood sacrifices, but even that is contradicted in the Bible and I've pointed that out to you in verse several times. You refuse to acknowledge these blatant contradictions. You refuse to acknowledge the idea that mankind was supposed to be responsible for bringing death into the world via his fall from grace. You refuse to acknowledge that Jesus could not have possibly "paid" for the sins of mankind via a mere physical death, yet he clearly did not die a spiritual death. NONE of it works. Nada, zip, zilch. You also claim that the "only" reward for sin is death. Yet you claim that the "only" person who was ever sinless was Jesus. Therefore there would have been no reason for God to have saved Noah and his family during the Great Flood. If the "only" reward for sin is death, and Noah and his family were sinners, and all sins are equal as you often claim, then Noah and his family should have been drowned with all the other sinners. NOTHING makes sense in this story. NOTHING. IT'S NOT THE BLOOD OF THE SACRIFICES THAT APPEASED GOD. It's the giving something up that you need, that's what sacrifice means. They sacrificed the animals knowing Father would give them more. They NEEDED those animals. And it was specifically animals, because it is a very needed thing for food, clothing ect. At at that time, that's pretty much ALL they had to even possibly sacrifice. |
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No we do not KNOW anything. My friend science is mainly THEORIES. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. There is ABSOLUTELY NO absolute facts with theories. So you brush off intellectual knowledge that has been gained from years of painstaking observations, and instead place your faith in a myth of an male-chauvinistic Godhead who hates heathens?  And why the Abrahamic religion? Not not believe in Zeus? Why not believe in Thor? Why not believe in Odin? There are a myriad of reasons to believe why these ancient fables are clearly unwise man-made baloney and no good reason to believe any of it. YET you are prepared to renounce sound scientific knowledge in favor of a religious mythology of a bloodthirsty Godhead who is appeased by having someone nailed to a pole? Hey! MORE POWER TO YOU!  But please, don't think I'm going to stand by whilst you try to convince other people on this Planet to buy into such an insane idea. I have to live on this planet too! And I'm really not interested in having to live with a bunch of people who are obsessed with bloodthirsty jealous god-heads who are so nasty that they have their own children nailed to poles. And then they use this mythology to RENOUNCE science as being mere meaningless "theories"? Please, you can't be serious? They also use these religions to renounce other religions that are based on the very same basic folklore? Please, give me a BREAK! These religions can only lead to war and hostility. Even Christians can't get along. The Catholics and Protestants have been exhibiting hatred toward each other for eons. If the whole world were convinced that Christianity was true, that would only be just the Start of the real "holy wars". Let's move past these false fables of jealous Godheads who are appeased by having 'sins' paid for via bloody gory means. That's just sick. There's nothing godly or divine about it. |
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And you repeatedly state that it just doesn't fit....... WHAT just doesn't fit? You can't come up with contradictions that are truly contradictions, you can't find any fault in any of it in that way? So what doesn't fit? What are you talking about? Nothing fits. Nothing works. The whole thing is based on a Zeus-like jealous godhead who is supposedly appeased by blood sacrifices, but even that is contradicted in the Bible and I've pointed that out to you in verse several times. You refuse to acknowledge these blatant contradictions. You refuse to acknowledge the idea that mankind was supposed to be responsible for bringing death into the world via his fall from grace. You refuse to acknowledge that Jesus could not have possibly "paid" for the sins of mankind via a mere physical death, yet he clearly did not die a spiritual death. NONE of it works. Nada, zip, zilch. You also claim that the "only" reward for sin is death. Yet you claim that the "only" person who was ever sinless was Jesus. Therefore there would have been no reason for God to have saved Noah and his family during the Great Flood. If the "only" reward for sin is death, and Noah and his family were sinners, and all sins are equal as you often claim, then Noah and his family should have been drowned with all the other sinners. NOTHING makes sense in this story. NOTHING. IT'S NOT THE BLOOD OF THE SACRIFICES THAT APPEASED GOD. It's the giving something up that you need, that's what sacrifice means. They sacrificed the animals knowing Father would give them more. They NEEDED those animals. And it was specifically animals, because it is a very needed thing for food, clothing ect. At at that time, that's pretty much ALL they had to even possibly sacrifice. And that's why as the world became more populated it was needed for Jesus to come and to give his life up for us. Because their simply wouldn't be enough animals or things of that nature to sacrifice for the trillions of people on earth as of now. |
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