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Doesn't it seem hypocritical to support the right of a violent religion to exists and be a pacifist? thats like asking when did you stop beating your wife the assumption that the religion is violent is a subjective opinion and not a fact so no, as a pacifist, supporting the right of a religion to exist is not hypocritical at all Now that unto itself is a jaded reply. Islam is violent by their own written tenants in the Quar-an. They outline all of their violence in text! They prescribe violent punishments in writing. They outline what to do to other not of their faith in writing. Now you are trying to play both sides of the argument! In 1988, publication of Salman Rushdie’s novel “The Satanic Verses” led Iranian revolutionary leader Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa against Rushdie, with a huge bounty for his death. This triggered several attacks on the novel’s translators, publishers and booksellers, including the murder of Japanese translator Hitoshi Igarashi. Millions of Muslims around the world who had never read a single line of the book, and who had never even met Rushdie before, wanted him dead. Interesting fact, 24% of Iranians at the time couldn’t even read. Source: “The West Is Choked by Fear”, Der Speigel Jan 4, 2010, Henryk Broder |
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'Muhammad's life' is kinda like the Seventh Century version of 'Where's Waldo?' ...
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I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites.,.. nuff said people take parts of all religious books and pick and choose which parts define the religion but all fall short, whatever book they are reading, and claiming christianity makes one no better than the next, Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. ALL laws and prophets hang on loving God with all they heart(same God which created muslims, jews, christians, atheists,,,) and love they neighbor as thyself I will leave the judging of PEOPLES to God, until then I will use judgement about the actions and words of INDIVIDUALS and GOVERNMENTS I judge actions and words, its the only way to make a decision about how to ACT or SPEAK myself,, I just dont think I can claim moral superiority over individuals if I have A. never met them B. been guilty of ANY types of wrong action or words myself and C. never been harmed by them and it is precisely the POSSIBILITY that it could someday be me and my christianity being persecuted and judged which causes me to speak up on this topic,,,,,I hope it doesnt come to that, but reading how hateful and bigoted people can be, I know its always possible ,, Who has the right to judge another?? I do not believe anyone has the right to judge another persons actions or speech in their lifetime........wasn't it Jesus that said let those that have not sinned cast the first stone? Did he, also, not say for those that judge other shall be judged all the harder in the after life? We all have paths, we all chose our own path and accept the negative and positive corresponding consequences of our action. Everything can seem so cut and dry from the outside looking in, but can be contradictory to the outside view. The decisions you think you would make may not always be the decision you make when walking in the those shoes. To love someone despite the life they lead can be a trust testament to the inner being of another. To have compassion when one lacks compassion for themselves, to show someone that they are lovable despite societal dictates and to lead and not wallow in quagmires you create but to rise above the negativity and give positivity to another is all I can ask for in this life. noone has a right to judge another (the individual, or the soul) but we all have a natural INSTINCT to judge actions and it makes no difference who is committing them. Thats called survival. If I see someone for instance, waving a gun around, I make a judgment about whether it may or may not be safe to go around them. In these threads people judge constantly what others do,, thats called opinions. They judge the passing of certain rights, they judge others opinions. Without judgement, which leads to making decisions, we are just robots. I know people like to say noone has a right to pass a judgement about anyone or anything but themself, but I feel that is an unrealistic egotistical sentiment that assumes nothing should matter to anyone except themself. compassion and positivity are not traits which exclude judgment. I dont judge PEOPLE, because I know none are perfect. But I do have judgment about right and wrong action and its universal, with the EXPECTATION that I will be judged the same way(which is no problem since I already JUDGE myself ) I judge myself only and approach that man waving the gun.......he could be an actor playing a role.....and he may just need someone to listen.......might I die or get hurt.....yes there is the chance.....I see a guy waving a gun as a cry for help.........everyone needs an ear...... kudos to you, I call that giving the benefit of the doubt, which I still consider a judgment (that he MIGHT just be acting) I give people the benefit, but IM not going to risk that someone with a gun MAY be acting,,, I dont think most people will,,,or should |
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Kings_Knight
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Wed 08/18/10 11:17 AM
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" ... I judge myself only and approach that man waving the gun.......he could be an actor playing a role.....and he may just need someone to listen.......might I die or get hurt.....yes there is the chance.....I see a guy waving a gun as a cry for help.........everyone needs an ear...... " Tell ya what - YOU approach the guy with the gun ... I'll be on the mike to the sniper with the headset, 'mkay ... ? Jeez ... 'help' comes in two sizes: .30-06 and .308 ... |
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Seakolony
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Wed 08/18/10 12:25 PM
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I said he might and no I do not judge only acsertain the situation once talking takes place........do you know how many people are talked down everyday just bcs they struggle or feel its the end....my point is you dont know until you find out and no I am not judging I am asking....quite a difference....I said you never know as in everyone never knows...making up a possibility a judgement does not make
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msharmony
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Wed 08/18/10 12:27 PM
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I said he might and no I do not judge until talking takes place........do you know how many people are talked down everyday just bcs they struggle or feel its the end....my point is you dont know until you find out and no I am not judging I am asking....quite a difference....I said you never know as in everyone never knows...making up a possibility a judgement does not make wow, I do not judge PEOPLE unless I talk to them, I do however judge actions and words as appropriate, inappropriate, safe, unsafe, logical, illogical,,,etc,, I dont need to talk to someone to know that their swinging a gun around might be dangerous and harmful and that I shouldnt approach them could they be a wonderful tormented person,,,sure could they be a vengeful killer,,,sure I cant judge their motive or their character, but I Can definitely judge that their ACTION is unsafe... |
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I said he might and no I do not judge only acsertain the situation once talking takes place........do you know how many people are talked down everyday just bcs they struggle or feel its the end....my point is you dont know until you find out and no I am not judging I am asking....quite a difference....I said you never know as in everyone never knows...making up a possibility a judgement does not make I'm one of those in the crowd hellerin' for 'em ta' jump!!!  
Just kiddin'. 
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I said he might and no I do not judge until talking takes place........do you know how many people are talked down everyday just bcs they struggle or feel its the end....my point is you dont know until you find out and no I am not judging I am asking....quite a difference....I said you never know as in everyone never knows...making up a possibility a judgement does not make wow, I do not judge PEOPLE unless I talk to them, I do however judge actions and words as appropriate, inappropriate, safe, unsafe, logical, illogical,,,etc,, I dont need to talk to someone to know that their swinging a gun around might be dangerous and harmful and that I shouldnt approach them could they be a wonderful tormented person,,,sure could they be a vengeful killer,,,sure I cant judge their motive or their character, but I Can definitely judge that their ACTION is unsafe... It was simple leaving out of words that I edited properly to what I meant it to say and no I do not judge other peoples decsions and tell then there decisions are there decisions and mine are mine.....I will never tell my partner what to do or how to do or friends I will tell them what I would do for me if I were in that position or situation if asked, but then again everything on here is asked is it not? |
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If I pissed my pants at every person that waved a gun........I'd be hiding everyday.......I refuse fear and accept my destiny come what may........I've survived this long and faced many things......must be doing something right........
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If I pissed my pants at every person that waved a gun........I'd be hiding everyday.......I refuse fear and accept my destiny come what may........I've survived this long and faced many things......must be doing something right........ i live in texas, and i don't see anyone waving guns around... if i did, i would probably stay away, not caring what kind of person they are. waving a gun around pretty much tells me... |
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Doesn't it seem hypocritical to support the right of a violent religion to exists and be a pacifist? thats like asking when did you stop beating your wife the assumption that the religion is violent is a subjective opinion and not a fact so no, as a pacifist, supporting the right of a religion to exist is not hypocritical at all Now that unto itself is a jaded reply. Islam is violent by their own written tenants in the Quar-an. They outline all of their violence in text! They prescribe violent punishments in writing. They outline what to do to other not of their faith in writing. Now you are trying to play both sides of the argument! not really, the question was jaded. perhaps I should have asked which 'violent religion' the pacifist should not support existing,,,, True pacifists abhor all violence though. Even the Christian religion is guilty of its share. Even Christianity should be abhorred. I doubt any of it is in the context Jesus would have approved of anyways. That is another reason I turned my back on Christianity. I know if I were Jesus I would be able to say for myself the Church as we know it contradicts the message clearly! In the same breath Islam is clear about not being contradictory about their violence. Cut this off if it offends god. Kill infidels. Force those not accepting Islam to pay dimmi to them. Cleanse with fires. Place Mosques EVERYWHERE including old churches and temples. Death Death Death, Kill kill kill. So how can you claim being a pacifist and yet support people's rights to practice a religion that allows them to subjugate others by force? I really am having many second thoughts about freedom of religion. It should be a freedom of religion as long as that religion by its own tenants does not contradict our constitution! Islam needs a new bible. It is that or we need to start facing them down. Even India is having severe problems with Islamic militancy. And they are super tolerant! Not like China who resorts to brute force for everything but hey, not like Islam isn't giving them their share of crap. A peaceful Isamic is sounding more and more like Shrimp Scampi and Military Intelligence. Those are OXYMORONS! 
OXYMORONS that is! |
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If I pissed my pants at every person that waved a gun........I'd be hiding everyday.......I refuse fear and accept my destiny come what may........I've survived this long and faced many things......must be doing something right........ i live in texas, and i don't see anyone waving guns around... if i did, i would probably stay away, not caring what kind of person they are. waving a gun around pretty much tells me... Yeah well you go on a farmers land and ask for petition signature or to check their home and you may get a gun waved in your face or to take children from a home |
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If I pissed my pants at every person that waved a gun........I'd be hiding everyday.......I refuse fear and accept my destiny come what may........I've survived this long and faced many things......must be doing something right........ i live in texas, and i don't see anyone waving guns around... if i did, i would probably stay away, not caring what kind of person they are. waving a gun around pretty much tells me... Yeah well you go on a farmers land and ask for petition signature or to check their home and you may get a gun waved in your face or to take children from a home |
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'Muhammad's life' is kinda like the Seventh Century version of 'Where's Waldo?' ... The pedophile's version though. |
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'Muhammad's life' is kinda like the Seventh Century version of 'Where's Waldo?' ... The pedophile's version though. Disease ridden Syphilitic pedophile to be exact! |
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'Muhammad's life' is kinda like the Seventh Century version of 'Where's Waldo?' ... The pedophile's version though. Disease ridden Syphilitic pedophile to be exact! Them Liberal progressives will wanna' be all over that. Their kinda' dude! |
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I think it's clear we have some people in here still worried about what happend in Old testament times over 2,000 years ago and think it is somehow in any way relevant today.
Then we have people worried about what is happening right now in the name of Islam that make the Old testament look like a childrens book. Tell you what.You usual people can worry and bring up what happend in the Old testament that nobody cares about or wants to debate.The rest of us will worry and concentrate on the problem of Islam. |
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The core of Islam is based on very violent means to invoke control over people through terror and fear. That's also a very apt description of American foreign policy-what a coinky-dink! |
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The core of Islam is based on very violent means to invoke control over people through terror and fear. That's also a very apt description of American foreign policy-what a coinky-dink! Hell they lead us around by our noses with fear and intimidation! They learned well from the Spanish Inquisition! 
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The core of Islam is based on very violent means to invoke control over people through terror and fear. That's also a very apt description of American foreign policy-what a coinky-dink! http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html What are some of the legalized rules of jihad found in the Quran, hadith, and classical legal opinions? (1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may 'marry' the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture. (2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law, did this. (3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low. (4) Old men and monks could be killed. (5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden. (6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim. (7) Civilian property may be confiscated. (8) Civilian homes may be destroyed. (9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed. (10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience. (11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced 'charity' or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax. The last two options mean that money flows into the Islamic treasury, so why would Muhammad receive a revelation to dry up this money flow? And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid b. al—Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her . . . (Muslim no. 4206) 4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (MAS Abdel Haleem, the Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004) Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az—Zubair Al—Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" (Bukhari) 'He [Muhammad] struck me [Aisha] on the chest which caused me pain.' 5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem) Some people . . . came to the Prophet and embraced Islam . . . [T]hey turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away . . . The Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they died. (Bukhari, Punishments, no. 6802) In its 1991 Constitution, in Articles 108—113, Iran adopted the punishment of execution for sodomy. In April 2005, a Kuwaiti cleric says homosexuals should be thrown off a mountain or stoned to death. On April 7, 2005, it was reported that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for 'gay conduct.' 24:2 The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. [This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime (illegal sex), but if married persons commit it (illegal sex), the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allah's law]. (Hilali and Khan). |
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