Yes I agree many man-made religions; some calling themselves christian and non-christian do just as you describe. Nevertheless it is untrue of the Truth.

For example, me a mere man can influence you on this forum. Lets say I am rude to you; you will most likely be rude back.I figured you would do that. But it was still your choice, ie "free will"

maybe so, but i still have the ability to try to do those using my free will.

again another contradiction...it if cost, then it is not "Free"...name one thing you can do to excercise your will without any consequences taking place

you guys keep mixing up religious "Free Will" with Newton's Laws of Motion

"Free Will" is supposedly the ability to have choice without God using his power to interfer with or influencing that choice....

Adam and Eve didn't have "free Will" because God told them personally not to eat from the tree...he interferred, influence and place restraints on their choices..God took away their faith

Cowboy...even a wombat has the ability to do all that you have described...so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision

"Free Will" is about God not interferring in your choices, but because of Jesus interference here on Earth, no Christian can claim that they have "Free Will" or faith

Do you even bother to read my reply before reposting???? *sigh* If you do; why do you not address the content??? I made it very easy for you to do so by adding 2 questions!!! perhaps you missed them? In case you did here they are again:

>>>Who said you always have to "pay" consequences?<<<

>>>Sometimes you are rewarded for your choice, and sometimes there are no consequences.So here you have made a choice at "NO COST" to you, (free)!
What do you call it when that happens???<<<

*crossing fingers*

"Newton" said you always have to pay consequence...To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction ..and speaking of not answering questions I've asked you to name one thing you can do that will not result in any type of consequences....can you? ....if you can't then that means you are not talking about "Free Will"...you are talking about making a decision



when that happens some refer to it as "luck"

again you are talking about making a "decision" not about religious "Free Will" ...religious "Free Will" implies that God did not make you a robot clone and therefore will not interfer or influence your choices when it comes to obeying his laws

you are trying to hide behind the "layman's" concept of Free Will...try to give some examples of Free WIll when it comes to having faith in God....if you do...you will find out that you have no "Free Will" ..God didn't give you a choice...you better do as he says or face retribution

As you wish:

Hmmmm, I am going to part my hair on the other side. Please stand by, *re-combing hair*...OK I'm back, *waiting*, *waiting*, *waiting*.... no equal opposite reaction yet.

that's because you can't see the forest because of the trees...because when you part your hair....didn't your hair go to the opposite ends of where you place the part ...see it's not "Free Will" but Newton's laws of Motion ..if it was true Free Will like God has then you could "will" your hair to part and "re-comb" itself

since the line of debate pertains to "Free Will" ..it's amazing how you avoid giving any examples of "Free Will" pertaining to disobeying God without consequences

I found a website, it has tons of legal documents.
I got my free will there.

So don't tell me there's no such thing as a "free will".

Why not get back to the subject of knowledge? Wait, I know, because Adam and Eve proved they had free will when the disobeyed...

According to your logic I could say I parted my hair not on the other side but from side to side so that the hair lays forward and back, therefore not opposite. Further more if I shake my head my original part magically reappears. Then claim you cannot see the forest through the trees. Since this gets no one anywhere except irritated, I will answer your real question; a example of disobeying God without consequence. But before I answer there needs to be a little defining to keep you from the temptation of playing word games.In the "context" of your post I am assuming you mean negative consequences, ie ; punishment for disobeying God ? Am I correct?

Peter_Pan...so you believe going to a website with tons of legal documents means you have "Free Will"...you can teach a squirrel to do that ...besides that site just like this Mingle2 site only "allows" you to enter into it as long as you follow their "Will"

also why do you guys persist on giving examples of "Free Will" that do not pertain to disobeying God ...well perhaps just like Satan I guess I have to grant you that knowledge

when it comes to God and Free Will you have none....because according to the belief ...if you disobey a direct order from God he will go biblical on your ***

DISCLAIMER:
I use the term *** because it is in the bible and therefore it's usage is approved by The Vatican

***....keep getting deleted so I will use apse ....

It's not funny if I have to explain it, so I won't.

it amazing that you don't realize that "part" means to "part" ...which means the hair is going to the opposite of where you "part" it ...and if you shake your hair and it cause the part to resort back to the opposite side kind of prove my point doesn't it





oh oh....either a parable coming...or that phrase that God forgives ....but anyway I'm looking forward to your examples of why it's ok for believers to disobey God because there will not be any consequences for doing so

perhaps Satan didn't grant you the knowledge to explain it

Are you afraid to commit to a answer? Since you posted with no answer I will assume I am correct in viewing your question within the context of the post as negative consequences for the one disobeying God with no exceptions.And allow me to correct your statement concerning my belief; it is NOT ok for believers to disobey God....regardless of consequence.

Genesis chapter20
A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah;
Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country.


Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure


Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes?
One called "Law" and the other called "Grace"

Exactly funchees, HE didn't grant it because it's not his to grant.

According to Funches, "Satan didn't grant you the knowledge" so the issue has been resolved.

For anyone else who is looking for their free will, they can find it here:

http://www.rocketlawyer.com/documents/legal-form-Complete+Will.aspx?partner=103&State=CA&gclid=CM3J1pz0tqICFQP7agodnz8_6Q

I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing



Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ...

well I wouldn't say the issue have been resolved...because it's obvious that you still have issues ...

Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it.