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Not contradicting one bit. Just because you can do something does not mean you are allowed. that's my point...you do not have the freedom to do anything you choose...hence no "Free Will" ...and just because you choose to do something that is allowed, doesn't mean you have the will or the power to actually do it But you still have the ability so therefor you still do have free will. you don't have the ability to do anything you choose to do ....you may have the inspiration to do something but may not have the will or the ability to do it ...in other words...there are simply choices that you will make that you lack the ability to do maybe so, but i still have the ability to try to do those using my free will. Cowboy...even a wombat has the ability to do all that you have described...so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision "Free Will" is about God not interferring in your choices, but because of Jesus interference here on Earth, no Christian can claim that they have "Free Will" or faith LoL you contradict yourself even in your questions........ ---------------------------- so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision ----------------------------- That's ALL free will is, the ability to make a decision. |
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perhaps Satan didn't grant you the knowledge to explain it Exactly funchees, HE didn't grant it because it's not his to grant. According to Funches, "Satan didn't grant you the knowledge" so the issue has been resolved. well I wouldn't say the issue have been resolved...because it's obvious that you still have issues ... Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it. Merry-go rounds!...LMAO!!...I'm feeling alittle dizzy myself!!! |
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2sparrows wrote: Are you afraid to commit to a answer? . funches wrote: I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing 2sparrows wrote: Genesis chapter20 A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah; Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country. Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes? One called "Law" and the other called "Grace" funches wrote: Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ... Sorry funches you've been caught red handed: The verse you quoted...you stopped a couple verses short: Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I think I am paying pretty close attention to what the Bible says, But thank you for your concern and advice.I will see if I can improve. |
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2sparrows wrote: Are you afraid to commit to a answer? . funches wrote: I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing 2sparrows wrote: Genesis chapter20 A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah; Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country. Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes? One called "Law" and the other called "Grace" funches wrote: Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ... Sorry funches you've been caught red handed: The verse you quoted...you stopped a couple verses short: Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I think I am paying pretty close attention to what the Bible says, But thank you for your concern and advice.I will see if I can improve. Funches does that alot and gets away with it most of the time. People don't referance the verses he quotes and they just take it as him giving the whole truth. He likes to play word games like that, he'll even do that while quoting someone. Only take the parts he wants which usually changes the meaning of the original post. |
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perhaps Satan didn't grant you the knowledge to explain it Exactly funchees, HE didn't grant it because it's not his to grant. According to Funches, "Satan didn't grant you the knowledge" so the issue has been resolved. well I wouldn't say the issue have been resolved...because it's obvious that you still have issues ... Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it. in that case...just play on your merry-go-round and when you are ready to debate...get off it |
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LoL you contradict yourself even in your questions........ ---------------------------- so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision ----------------------------- That's ALL free will is, the ability to make a decision. Cowboy...."Free Will" pertains to God...you keep trying to apply it to everything but God so let's see some example of "Free Will" that pertains to disobeying God |
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perhaps Satan didn't grant you the knowledge to explain it Exactly funchees, HE didn't grant it because it's not his to grant. According to Funches, "Satan didn't grant you the knowledge" so the issue has been resolved. well I wouldn't say the issue have been resolved...because it's obvious that you still have issues ... Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it. Merry-go rounds!...LMAO!!...I'm feeling alittle dizzy myself!!! that would explain your posts |
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Choice? Free will? Freedom to choose? Consequences of choice?
Then by all means choose! Choose which parallel universe you want to live it... 1)The universe of law where judgement, condemation, and penalty await all who break it! or 2)The universe of Grace where Ummerited Favor,Love and reward await all who have relationship! Apparently a tough choice for some. |
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2sparrows wrote: Are you afraid to commit to a answer? . funches wrote: I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing 2sparrows wrote: Genesis chapter20 A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah; Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country. Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes? One called "Law" and the other called "Grace" funches wrote: Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ... Sorry funches you've been caught red handed: The verse you quoted...you stopped a couple verses short: Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I think I am paying pretty close attention to what the Bible says, But thank you for your concern and advice.I will see if I can improve. perhaps you should read further and show where it states that there would be no consequences for what Abraham did |
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LoL you contradict yourself even in your questions........ ---------------------------- so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision ----------------------------- That's ALL free will is, the ability to make a decision. Cowboy...."Free Will" pertains to God...you keep trying to apply it to everything but God so let's see some example of "Free Will" that pertains to disobeying God Again you have the free will to go murder, or the free will to uplift God. All free will is, is the ability to choose to do or not to do something. |
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LoL you contradict yourself even in your questions........ ---------------------------- so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision ----------------------------- That's ALL free will is, the ability to make a decision. Cowboy...."Free Will" pertains to God...you keep trying to apply it to everything but God so let's see some example of "Free Will" that pertains to disobeying God I just gave you one a few minutes ago. Are you starting a collection perhaps? >2sparrows< |
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LoL you contradict yourself even in your questions........ ---------------------------- so do the wombat have "Free Will"...or do the wombat simply have the ability to make a decision ----------------------------- That's ALL free will is, the ability to make a decision. Cowboy...."Free Will" pertains to God...you keep trying to apply it to everything but God so let's see some example of "Free Will" that pertains to disobeying God and even further then that, ALL choices you take with your free will pertain to God in one way or other. |
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Funches does that alot and gets away with it most of the time. People don't referance the verses he quotes and they just take it as him giving the whole truth. He likes to play word games like that, he'll even do that while quoting someone. Only take the parts he wants which usually changes the meaning of the original post. Cowboy...you once said that no babies drown in the great flood because they were on Noah's Ark....which means you will resort to lying about the bible.....so please stop trying to cast stones |
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Funches does that alot and gets away with it most of the time. People don't referance the verses he quotes and they just take it as him giving the whole truth. He likes to play word games like that, he'll even do that while quoting someone. Only take the parts he wants which usually changes the meaning of the original post. Cowboy...you once said that no babies drown in the great flood because they were on Noah's Ark....which means you will resort to lying about the bible.....so please stop trying to cast stones Yes i was wrong, and i admitted to it. I didn't continue on with it and try to prove my side. |
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perhaps Satan didn't grant you the knowledge to explain it Exactly funchees, HE didn't grant it because it's not his to grant. According to Funches, "Satan didn't grant you the knowledge" so the issue has been resolved. well I wouldn't say the issue have been resolved...because it's obvious that you still have issues ... Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it. in that case...just play on your merry-go-round and when you are ready to debate...get off it I'm waiting for some guy called "funches" to cut the power before I get down from the ride. |
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2sparrows wrote: Are you afraid to commit to a answer? . funches wrote: I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing 2sparrows wrote: Genesis chapter20 A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah; Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country. Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes? One called "Law" and the other called "Grace" funches wrote: Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ... 2sparrows wrote: Sorry funches you've been caught red handed: The verse you quoted...you stopped a couple verses short: Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I think I am paying pretty close attention to what the Bible says, But thank you for your concern and advice.I will see if I can improve. funches wrote: perhaps you should read further and show where it states that there would be no consequences for what Abraham did As you wish, *reading* *turning page* *reading* *turning page* *reading* *turning page*......Ah, hear it is (pun intended) a mere 200 pages later; Romans 4:1-5 What then shall we say that Abraham,our forefather, discovered in this matter? If in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-- but not before God. What does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness Now when a mans works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as a obligation. However to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. *Merry-go-round squeaking to a stop* |
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Funches does that alot and gets away with it most of the time. People don't referance the verses he quotes and they just take it as him giving the whole truth. He likes to play word games like that, he'll even do that while quoting someone. Only take the parts he wants which usually changes the meaning of the original post. Cowboy...you once said that no babies drown in the great flood because they were on Noah's Ark....which means you will resort to lying about the bible.....so please stop trying to cast stones Yes i was wrong, and i admitted to it. I didn't continue on with it and try to prove my side. you couldn't continue because even people that never read the bible would know that the children of the world was not on Noah's Ark during the great flood?...wouldn't the sin be that as a Christian in a debate that you were giving out false information about the bible and God's deeds, but for scientific purposes...can you explain why you even said such a thing |
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perhaps Satan didn't grant you the knowledge to explain it Exactly funchees, HE didn't grant it because it's not his to grant. According to Funches, "Satan didn't grant you the knowledge" so the issue has been resolved. well I wouldn't say the issue have been resolved...because it's obvious that you still have issues ... Ah, but that was an impersonation. It is the "character" who still has issues. That's a whole other story though, it's about merry-go-rounds. I think you'll like it. in that case...just play on your merry-go-round and when you are ready to debate...get off it I'm waiting for some guy called "funches" to cut the power before I get down from the ride. I think the power is something you took.....try sleeping if off |
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2sparrows wrote: Are you afraid to commit to a answer? . funches wrote: I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing 2sparrows wrote: Genesis chapter20 A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah; Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country. Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes? One called "Law" and the other called "Grace" funches wrote: Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ... 2sparrows wrote: Sorry funches you've been caught red handed: The verse you quoted...you stopped a couple verses short: Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I think I am paying pretty close attention to what the Bible says, But thank you for your concern and advice.I will see if I can improve. funches wrote: perhaps you should read further and show where it states that there would be no consequences for what Abraham did As you wish, *reading* *turning page* *reading* *turning page* *reading* *turning page*......Ah, hear it is (pun intended) a mere 200 pages later; Romans 4:1-5 What then shall we say that Abraham,our forefather, discovered in this matter? If in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-- but not before God. What does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness Now when a mans works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as a obligation. However to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. *Merry-go-round squeaking to a stop* 2sparrow...why are you still ranting on about Abraham...you were supposed to provide an example of how someone could use their "Free Will" to disobey God without consequences......you claim that Abraham "supposedly" lied to the king and receive profit from it....the king is not God....so can you explain what Abraham "supposedly" lying to the king have to do with Abraham disobeying God ...where is the disobedience to God? |
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2sparrows wrote: Are you afraid to commit to a answer? . funches wrote: I never sign a contract before I read it...all you had to do was post like you been doing and I will post a response like I was doing 2sparrows wrote: Genesis chapter20 A story of Abraham and his wife Sarah; Abraham lies about his wife. The king takes her to become his wife. Before it can be consumated the king has a dream from God, finds out the truth. The king sends Abraham and his Wife away with sheep, cattle,male and female slaves,and a thousand shekels of silver (about 50,000 dollars) and said they could settle anywhere in his country. Hmmm...Abraham lied and got rich...Go figure Maybe Newton and Abraham live in parallel universes? One called "Law" and the other called "Grace" funches wrote: Matthew 19:24 ....And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. perhaps you should pay more attention to what's in the bible ....just because Abraham became rich do not mean there is no consequences.... ... 2sparrows wrote: Sorry funches you've been caught red handed: The verse you quoted...you stopped a couple verses short: Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. I think I am paying pretty close attention to what the Bible says, But thank you for your concern and advice.I will see if I can improve. funches wrote: perhaps you should read further and show where it states that there would be no consequences for what Abraham did As you wish, *reading* *turning page* *reading* *turning page* *reading* *turning page*......Ah, hear it is (pun intended) a mere 200 pages later; Romans 4:1-5 What then shall we say that Abraham,our forefather, discovered in this matter? If in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-- but not before God. What does the scripture say? Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness Now when a mans works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as a obligation. However to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. *Merry-go-round squeaking to a stop* 2sparrow...why are you still ranting on about Abraham...you were supposed to provide an example of how someone could use their "Free Will" to disobey God without consequences......you claim that Abraham "supposedly" lied to the king and receive profit from it....the king is not God....so can you explain what Abraham "supposedly" lying to the king have to do with Abraham disobeying God ...where is the disobedience to God? You had the answere in your question. Lieing is a sin. Not lieing to God, but just straight across lieing. You can't lie to God anyways, God knows all and the 9th commandment is thou shalt not bear false witness........ thou shalt not lie. So right there Abraham used his free will to disobey God by lieing |
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