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@CowboyGH The lie was Abraham decieved the king into thinking Sarah was not married.But funches will not see that,he will play word games with it instead of seeing a wrong was done by Abraham, and not by the king, who payed the price. Wow, that could be a analogy for...never mind. Have fun with funches! 2sparrow...I asked you for an example of "Free Will" pertaining to disobedience of God without consequences ...but your example is about someone who supposedly lied to someone else ...this is not disobedience against God...Abraham did everything that God asked him to do .... you gave a bad example....you won't be able to find anything in the bible where someone used their "Free Will" to disobey God and didn't or wouldn't face retribution Peter when he denied Christ three times Look it up and play with that for awhile, when you're done let me know and I'll send another. 2sparrow....are you trying to turn the debate into Jesus is God ...I can stop that with one simple question No if Jesus prayed to the father...then who did the father pray to...if your answer is no one...then the father is God ...not Jesus so can you come up with another example Yes, after you address this one. 
the answer is simple....Jesus is not God because he prayed to the father....Peter denied Jesus not God And Jesus said the father and I are one. and if I say that Jesus and I are one...does that then make me God We are all part of God. |
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We are all part of God. does that then mean that everyone is God? |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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We are all part of God. does that then mean that everyone is God? we are all PART of God. God has granted us dominion over the planet. We can do anything we want with the right amount of faith. If we had as great of faith as Jesus did we could do the miracles as well. ANYTHING is possible through God. |
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We are all part of God. does that then mean that everyone is God? we are all PART of God. God has granted us dominion over the planet. We can do anything we want with the right amount of faith. If we had as great of faith as Jesus did we could do the miracles as well. ANYTHING is possible through God. Cowboy...now you're preaching...am I'm now required to give you tithes ...do mingle2 have a paypal account? Jeus is not God which means that example of Peter denying Jesus is another bad example from 2sparrow that you are trying to help him perpetrate you just have to accept that you have no choice but to do as God commands because there will be consequences if you don't and this is why you have no "Free Will" |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god....
therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. |
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We are all part of God. does that then mean that everyone is God? we are all PART of God. God has granted us dominion over the planet. We can do anything we want with the right amount of faith. If we had as great of faith as Jesus did we could do the miracles as well. ANYTHING is possible through God. Cowboy...now you're preaching...am I'm now required to give you tithes ...do mingle2 have a paypal account? Jeus is not God which means that example of Peter denying Jesus is another bad example from 2sparrow that you are trying to help him perpetrate you just have to accept that you have no choice but to do as God commands because there will be consequences if you don't and this is why you have no "Free Will" No i still have the free will, again funches all free will is, is the ability to choose. I am choosing to spread God's word. Not because i'm afraid of burning in hell for punishment or anything. I enjoy spreading the word of God. I do it on my own without even contemplating the possible consequences of such actions. That is free will at it's finest. And you'll use your free will to argue this, giving even more proof of free will. |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. Exactly :) |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out....... 
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel Satan once did his angelic job yes. But once he grew an ego and was denounced as an Angel he has chosen to use his free will to cause trouble with the people of this earth with God. |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out.......
LoL exactly, you beat me to it :)= |
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No i still have the free will, again funches all free will is, is the ability to choose. I am choosing to spread God's word. Not because i'm afraid of burning in hell for punishment or anything. I enjoy spreading the word of God. I do it on my own without even contemplating the possible consequences of such actions. That is free will at it's finest. And you'll use your free will to argue this, giving even more proof of free will. Cowboy...you making a decision is not 'Free Will" ...it is simply you making a decision....even a frog can do that...."Free Will" would be the ability to change any of your thoughts into an action ...supposedly only God can do that |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out.......
wouldn't it more likely be that God failed |
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No i still have the free will, again funches all free will is, is the ability to choose. I am choosing to spread God's word. Not because i'm afraid of burning in hell for punishment or anything. I enjoy spreading the word of God. I do it on my own without even contemplating the possible consequences of such actions. That is free will at it's finest. And you'll use your free will to argue this, giving even more proof of free will. Cowboy...you making a decision is not 'Free Will" ...it is simply you making a decision....even a frog can do that...."Free Will" would be the ability to change any of your thoughts into an action ...supposedly only God can do that Yes and a frog has free will. That is exactly what it is funches, you are free to do what ever will you wish to do. And God also says you sin and do Satan's will you will cease to exist. But still you have the possibility of doing as such *FREE WILL*. That is all free will is, is the ability to do as one wants to do. |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out.......
wouldn't it more likely be that God failed  GOD failed?????? hardly..........god gave satan the
knowlede to learn....he failed, he failed on his own, therefore was cast out! |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out.......
wouldn't it more likely be that God failed How would that have been God failing? So with everyone in prison, that is the prisoners parents failing? No it is because of THAT particular person's actions....... FREE WILL. God has no responsibility for our actions, he would only have responsibility for our action IF there was NOT free will. But there is so that lays all the blame for our actions on us. |
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Yes and a frog has free will. That is exactly what it is funches, you are free to do what ever will you wish to do. And God also says you sin and do Satan's will you will cease to exist. But still you have the possibility of doing as such *FREE WILL*. That is all free will is, is the ability to do as one wants to do. see...you said that if you sin or do Satan's will that you will cease to exist ...it's a threat from God that influence choice .... |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 06/24/10 06:41 AM
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Yes and a frog has free will. That is exactly what it is funches, you are free to do what ever will you wish to do. And God also says you sin and do Satan's will you will cease to exist. But still you have the possibility of doing as such *FREE WILL*. That is all free will is, is the ability to do as one wants to do. see...you said that if you sin or do Satan's will that you will cease to exist ...it's a threat from God that influence choice .... God told us of the consequence........ speaking to a child, does it not work best when you say "Don't do that or you'll be grounded" Puts a wager on that action, and then we have the free will to take that wager or not do it. It is still nevertheless our choice to use our free will. And regardless if God does influence our choice.......... that is INFLUENCE, that is still not force so in terms not taking away free will. The ONLY way it would take free will away is if it was forcefully done. |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out.......
wouldn't it more likely be that God failed GOD failed?????? hardly..........god gave satan the
knowlede to learn....he failed, he failed on his own, therefore was cast out! Adam and Eve and Satan were God's creations...so if they did not do as God planned....then it's God that failed ...you keep trying to blame the creations |
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I believe that we are all made in the likeness of god.... therefore....god gave us knowledge....and the ability TO LEARN........what satan has done, is tempt us to do wrong. satan only did what he was created to do....be an angel but he failed...............cast out.......
wouldn't it more likely be that God failed GOD failed?????? hardly..........god gave satan the
knowlede to learn....he failed, he failed on his own, therefore was cast out! Adam and Eve and Satan were God's creations...so if they did not do as God planned....then it's God that failed ...you keep trying to blame the creations Yes because it is their fault. You keep saying we don't have free will, then try to blame God for the actions they have taken. If a creation is controlling us eg., taking away free will, how would it then be the creations fault? |
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