I am here not only to teach what i know, but to learn what i don't know.

The Jews are right! Knowledge is a Gift from God.
Ever read Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? Watch the movie?

It is explained here:

http://www.beingjewish.com/basics/satan.html

I state that I am not my body. I don't state what I am - simply that I am not my body. It appears to me that you are opposed to this notion, that you associate a variety of other beliefs with this position, and that you have attempted a counter argument or sorts to the notion that one is not their body.

My point is simply: that nothing you have said directly addresses the merit of the position 'I am not my body'.

The car analogy was intended to show the silliness of equating 'responsibility for a body' with 'identity with a body'.

What do you say? Do you still think that a person must be their body on the basis of: otherwise they would not be held responsible for their body's actions?




My opinion on what happens at death isn't directly relevant to anything thats been said so far. Your position on the differences between a living Funches and dead Funches might be relevant to a claim that one is one's body and no more.

I'm happy to entertain your question, as a tangent, if you really want me to.

I have never earnestly claimed to be my car. Do you claim to be your body?

Could I be a new Rs Camero? Please

if you claim that you are not your body...then it appears you are trying to go into the direction that something exist beyond your body and will perhaps exist after your body dies...that is why your opinion of what happens after death becomes relevant...or your entire conversation falls apart

you keep beating around the bush...if you are trying to say something...... then say it...

you never "earnestly" claimed to be a car? ....did you "dis-earnestly" claim to be one?

someone please...pass me a bucket

bleech.....bleech .....bleechhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

exactly who's temple did you think Jesus was worshipping in ....the temple of Satan?

Let's use the death example... When "you" die, your body tissues remain alive. This is well documented in transplant cases.

So where are "you" then? are "you" that organ recipient? Are you all of the recipients? That right there should clear it up, but I'm sure it won't?

Sweet! We are breaking this down into specifics. I can understand why you might think this, but its not true.

These are not the only two choices: (a) you are your body and (b) you exist after your body dies.

I hold that there are many other possibilities - more than I can imagine - but here is one additional possibility: I am a result of my bodies activities, and under normal circumstance I cease to be when my body dies. But since I am not my body, only a result of my bodies processes, there is a remote possibility that I might be transferred to system which duplicates the processes that gives rise to 'me'.

I don't hold that this is true - I only say this to demonstrate there is a third possibility.



Well, I do appreciate your willingness to explain your thought process, but you still appear to be committed to putting words in my mouth.



I've said it. I maintain that your earlier correlation between responsibility and identity doesn't hold.

(a) I'm fond of hypothetical examples (b) in everday speech with my friends I can be prone to silliness (c) I don't have a perfect memory of everything I've ever said.

Therefore, I can't rule this out.

Peter_Pan ....of course it won't clear it up...if you are another one of those that believe you are not your body....then donate your organs while you are still alive to those people that believe they are their body ....

you can give a kidney or a section of your liver or bone marrow ....since apparently you must believe that you can exist without your body or your body isn't you...so why wait for death...give your body that is not you away right now

....and the confusion between identity and 'something else' continues. In this case, identity is confused with dependency.

Its true that we depend on our body for life. This does not make us our bodies. I believe I depend on my body for existence, other's believe they depend on their body for existence within this world.

I have a diabetic friend with a tiny IV device she carries with her everywhere. She will die without this device. I would sooner give away a kidney then she would give away this device.

Is she this device?

wow ...."other possibilites".. "additional possibilities" ..."a remote possibility"..you have more disclaimers than what's printed on a pack of cigarettes....which is an indication that you don't know, so why claim that you are not your body if you aren't sure that you aren't

also you still keep beating sround the bush.... explain what the system is that will transfer you to be duplicated by the processes that gives rise to you....

was she born with the device?

By the same logic, you do not know a thing. For every question that you seek an answer, is an indication that you do know.

Which is a clear sign of someone who has the intelligence to explore grey areas, unknowns, and hypotheticals without relying on the comfort of an oversimplified worldview, or the raw stupidity of sweeping generalizations.

I'm glad you noticed.



Acknowledging several limitations to one's knowledge doesn't invalidate all claims that a person makes. Amongst mature thinkers, its usually recognized as a sign of objectivity and honesty. Amongst others, its used for irrational trolling.





This is getting boring. You justed explicitly quoted "remote possibility", so you know this was given as a hypothetical; yet now you pretend that it wasn't.

Peter_Pan...where did I state that I wasn't my body or me....those like yourself that make claims or insinuate that they aren't their bodies should provide proof that they aren't ....because it points to delusion

Of course not. Tell us, Funches, is my friend her device?

wow....so now that entire conversation about you not being you or your body were just hypothetical....er.....ok.....right ....but that's no reason that you can't present your theory of who you think you are....so again here's the same question

explain what the system is that will transfer you to be duplicated by the processes that gives rise to you.... or are you ashame to say