Free Will...

everything's evil. depends on how one interprets it.

there are entities out there that are far worse than "the light bearer".

nothing matters, but what you make matter. out in the wilderness, you only react to your surroundings. when with people, it's the same way. throw religion into the mix...............and you have a greedy selfish mess.

1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

well that ends that theory about Jesus being perfect...perhaps Jesus forgot to practice what he preached and "turn the other cheek"

so are you saying that Jesus was not in the temple of God with the money changers and that the bible is false

This is the verse that was refered to by others, nottice it says "temple" not the temple of God. Just plain ole temple.

Mark 11:15
And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves

Matthew 21:12-13
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.


Cowboy...it's a shame how you try to pervert from the truth....

Seems to be depending on what bible you're looking in. I redid my search and found both the verse you said and the verse i said.

Doesn't really matter anyways, cause i've done shown the verse where it says that your body is the temple of the holy spirit and God resides in us all.

That is the conclusion that you jump to - perhaps because you have known other people who do drift off to never neverland, while making the same observation.



I agree that there is a very strong connection between 'you' and 'your body', I agree that you can't leave it, I agree that you are responsible for it.

None of these is sufficient cause for claiming that one is identical to their body.

There is a very simple basis for realizing that you are not only your body - that you must also, at least, be an emergent property of the sum of the body's metabolic activities.

Are you still with us an hour after your body has died? Can I point to your corpse and say 'there's Funches'? Is there no significant difference between a living Funches and a dead Funches?

"If you have lack of control over your car then you are a danger to yourself and to others and clearly shouldn't be driving a car..you either get help for the problem or be place somewhere where you can do less harm

if you do have control over your car..then take responsibility for what you do instead of making up excuses that your car is not you.


Funches! Oh my! Did you just 'prove' that I am my car? Or that its irresponsible of me to deny that I am my car?

This is very simple. Being responsible for a body is not the same as being that body.


Therefore, denying that you are are that body is not the same as denying responsibility for that body.

This whole 'denying you are the body is a denial of responsibility' thing is a complete red herring which you've introduced several posts back - lets acknowledge it as such and move forward.

You identify with your body. I identify with my mind. I believe cowboy identifies with his 'soul'.

Exactly. Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist. The scriptures support this conclusion more than any other. Where they came up with the idea that he was a sacrificial lamb sent by Yahweh to be nailed to a pole to pay for the sins of man is beyond me. There's nothing in prophecy that even remotely suggests such a thing.

Anyone who wants to accept the teachings of Jesus should flush the Old Testament down the toilet, and realize that Jesus was indeed teaching pantheism, and not Yahwehism.

In fact, they should also flush most of what's in the New Testament down the toilet as well, especially anything written by Paul, or Matthew. And then just sift through what's left weeding out any propaganda that tries to tie Jesus back onto Yahweh. They won't end up with much left, but it's not a problem. If they want to know more about what Jesus actually taught all they need to do is study Mahayana Buddhism and they can enjoy the real teachings of Jesus unadulterated by those nasty Hebrew authors.

it does matter...as a Christian you should have known about the story of Jesus and the money changers and that the incident took place in the temple of God ...am I going to have to teach you the entire bible?

And i specifically showed you the same verse and said only temple not temple of God. Depending on what bible, eg., King james, New King James, New International, and so on you're using each would have a different interpretation of the original. And believe it or not, ALL Of them state the exact same thing about our body being the temple of the holy spirit. And the only thing you're teaching me funches is how arrogant and belligerent people can be.

well...I never met me when I was a dead funches....but you are taking so long to get to your point (if you have one) that I guess I have to push the issue...

supposedly when one is dead everything cease to function ...are you saying this is not true ..

I'm curious...how many people have you told that you are your car?

a christian blaming the bible?

Cowboy..don't be to hard on yourself ...perhaps you're a little naive but that's about it

I blamed nothing lol. Places where people gathered for God were called temples and now called churches. Very rarely referred to as a temple of God, for our bodies are the temple of the holy spirit and God resides in us.

see...now after all that denying you tried to do... now you admit that there were a temple of God beyond the body....

Yes i'm not arrogant. I just had never seen/heard that temple be referred to as the temple of God. Thank you for showing me differently, much appreciated.