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please keep in mind....i didnt say ALL children......i said ALOT OF THEM...........  "Kids nowadays have NO RESPECT whatsoever.....obviously they were never corrected, or spanked!" This is your quote... Kids nowadays don't have any respect. Not all of course but in general no they don't. I have gone up to K-Mart and got chit from a group of kids maybe 14 years old just cause they thought it was fun. I know I never would have done that as a child. ME NEITHER............!!!!! and once again....IN GENERAL.....MOST....NOT ALL....are disrespectful everywhere you go.....!!!!!!!! |
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends..........  I did quite well in raising my son! |
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends.......... I did quite well in raising my son! I attribute that to the movement when I was young to teach children they were EQUAL to adults,, many took that to mean they should have the same privileges and equal status in the home and every other relationship that had previously invovled authority. That, and the media totally abandoning basic family values in their effort to make more profit. The kids arent seeing very good examples anymore,,the teachers at school are overloaded, the parents at home usually have to both keep jobs, and communities have started breaking down due to egoism and the 'I dont have kids, those kids arent mine' attitudes. Basically, so many of the youth are being raised by media and other children and thats a recipe for disaster. |
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends.......... I did quite well in raising my son! Guess I'm lucky..I see more good than bad |
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends.......... I did quite well in raising my son! I attribute that to the movement when I was young to teach children they were EQUAL to adults,, many took that to mean they should have the same privileges and equal status in the home and every other relationship that had previously invovled authority. Children aren't equal...huh? They are less because they are children? Not tracking with ya on this one.. I would think they are MORE because of their light hearted innocence. So much we can learn from them. Teaching children they are NOT equal seems to be where a problem can begin. |
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends.......... I did quite well in raising my son! I attribute that to the movement when I was young to teach children they were EQUAL to adults,, many took that to mean they should have the same privileges and equal status in the home and every other relationship that had previously invovled authority. That, and the media totally abandoning basic family values in their effort to make more profit. The kids arent seeing very good examples anymore,,the teachers at school are overloaded, the parents at home usually have to both keep jobs, and communities have started breaking down due to egoism and the 'I dont have kids, those kids arent mine' attitudes. Basically, so many of the youth are being raised by media and other children and thats a recipe for disaster. Good points. I just wonder what happened along the way. Maybe I just grew up in a weird place. I used to stop by the older peoples homes growing up just to say hi and to see if there was anything they needed. Of course they gave us a piece candy or a cookie but I always enjoyed there company. Oh well........... 
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you think that children should have the same priviledges AS ADULTS??????????????
 Im thinking NOT! They are NOT adults....they follow the rules of the adults/household...........its called "upbringing".... priviledges are earned.........not just handed to them. |
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends.......... I did quite well in raising my son! I attribute that to the movement when I was young to teach children they were EQUAL to adults,, many took that to mean they should have the same privileges and equal status in the home and every other relationship that had previously invovled authority. Children aren't equal...huh? They are less because they are children? Not tracking with ya on this one.. I would think they are MORE because of their light hearted innocence. So much we can learn from them. Teaching children they are NOT equal seems to be where a problem can begin. No, they are not LESS, they are just not EQUAL. They need taken care of because they are not EQUALLY equipped to do so for themself, and they arent equally equipped because they havent yet gained the knowledge or emotional maturity. They are indeed PRECIOUS, we can agree. But not being EQUAL does not negate that. We were taught responsibility comes with priviledge, and in our home, no child has the SAME privileges as adults(even when it comes to speech) because no child has the SAME responsibilities. I love your loving heart, and I agree with the basic premise that children are special and precious but I think we just have a miscommunication about what constitutes 'equal' in regards to a family, a home, and the adult - child relationship. much respect as always, you are fortunate to see so many respectful youth and I am aware they are out there,,,,,,,they are more of an exception to what I actually witness though |
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you think that children should have the same priviledges AS ADULTS?????????????? Im thinking NOT! They are NOT adults....they follow the rules of the adults/household...........its called "upbringing".... priviledges are earned.........not just handed to them. The word privilege is a non issue..it didn't even come up... The correct verbiage used was "equal". Think about that for a minute.. 
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All I can say is I know, personally, MANY great young people...teen years all the way up to my oldest boys age and above. Too bad ya'll have has such bad experiences with them. Those kids have had my back on more than one occasion and I find them to be quite insightful. I know MANY respectful young people...............but as a whole.... NOWADAYS.........i see MUCH MORE disrespectfulness in the youth! Their mouthy, cocky, & are spoiled..........its what ive observed everywhere i go!!!!! my son has MY BACK also....as all his friends.......... I did quite well in raising my son! I attribute that to the movement when I was young to teach children they were EQUAL to adults,, many took that to mean they should have the same privileges and equal status in the home and every other relationship that had previously invovled authority. Children aren't equal...huh? They are less because they are children? Not tracking with ya on this one.. I would think they are MORE because of their light hearted innocence. So much we can learn from them. Teaching children they are NOT equal seems to be where a problem can begin. No, they are not LESS, they are just not EQUAL. ok... It's fine..I understand I see ALL people different than most, including children. |
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you think that children should have the same priviledges AS ADULTS?????????????? Im thinking NOT! They are NOT adults....they follow the rules of the adults/household...........its called "upbringing".... priviledges are earned.........not just handed to them. The word privilege is a non issue..it didn't even come up... The correct verbiage used was "equal". Think about that for a minute.. I agree, but most teens take EQUAL to mean the exact same as opposed to similarly important. A child is not the exact same as an adult, we dont expect them to have the exact same ability to consent to contracts or sex because of this difference in maturity and knowledge and that same difference is the one that makes them not as EQUAL as many of them try to insist on being treated. |
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Edited by
BL4766
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Wed 04/07/10 11:39 AM
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you think that children should have the same priviledges AS ADULTS?????????????? Im thinking NOT! They are NOT adults....they follow the rules of the adults/household...........its called "upbringing".... priviledges are earned.........not just handed to them. The word privilege is a non issue..it didn't even come up... The correct verbiage used was "equal". Think about that for a minute.. I attribute that to the movement when I was young to teach children they were EQUAL to adults,, many took that to mean they should have the same privileges and equal status in the home and every other relationship that had previously invovled authority. QUOTE......from msharmony PRIVILEDGE WAS USED in reference! |
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too late, already saw it that verbiage wasn't bought up by me..re-read. |
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you know what though,, ?
Its all good, really. I sense that those of us with children love them and do what we feel is best for 'our' children. IF we are raising well mannered, happy, and healthy children,,,,it is really just a minor detail what methods we have used to accomplish such a wonderful thing,,, much love |
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yep, yep, it's all about the love. One love, one heart
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I agree with lady on this one all the way!!!!
I raised 4 teen girls. I know nothing about boys but even though I was a good discipilinerian(spelled wrong) lol... At a certain age I did treat them as equals I never talked down to them. Never made them feel any less than I and they really liked that! They then gave me the love and respect I deserved as their mom! And it went full circle!! They were treated as equals so they treated all others as equals and grew up to be quite fascinating women in their own right able to have good relationships able to handle societys rules able to handle life on their own and make good decisions so in my opinion. To treat them as equals is a good thing! 
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yep...when they turn 18...
im a parent before im their friend |
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putting "privileges" aside..that's kinda obvious, were not stupid!
Anyone really believe children are not "equal" until they turn 18? 
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Not me!!
Teaching them they are not equal is weird to me it's like teaching them that they are not good enough at any age. I believe teaching them they are not equal is the same as teaching them they are not "good enough" are these same parents showing any other kind of predjudice in the home. Like against race or religion cause that's also " not equal" and if a child is raised beleiving he/she is not an equal human being in the home how do they deal with that in the outside world. I would think they would have less confidence in themselves cause there was a time their parents considered them not equal. Then how can we send them out on the world as confident responsible adults? All children are equal in my world!! Do I sound like a nutcase?
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