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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods. 
considering mans capabilities (nuclear weapons) and desire for power, I put nothing past us,,, I really do think we can move mountains but unfortunately not always for just reasons. perhaps (nuclear weapons) is what cause The Walls of Jericho to fall Man will always have consequences to their action and always find ways to try and alter their own consequences. |
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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods.
considering mans capabilities (nuclear weapons) and desire for power, I put nothing past us,,, I really do think we can move mountains but unfortunately not always for just reasons. perhaps (nuclear weapons) is what cause The Walls of Jericho to fall Man will always have consequences to their action and always find ways to try and alter their own consequences. sounds like the same thing Pat Robertson said about Haiti |
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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods.
considering mans capabilities (nuclear weapons) and desire for power, I put nothing past us,,, I really do think we can move mountains but unfortunately not always for just reasons. perhaps (nuclear weapons) is what cause The Walls of Jericho to fall Man will always have consequences to their action and always find ways to try and alter their own consequences. sounds like the same thing Pat Robertson said about Haiti No, Pat singled out one people and assumed what their sin was and HOW it would be judged. I merely stated the fact that consequences are a real thing and mankind , in general, will find ways to try to alter the consequences of their actions. |
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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods.
considering mans capabilities (nuclear weapons) and desire for power, I put nothing past us,,, I really do think we can move mountains but unfortunately not always for just reasons. perhaps (nuclear weapons) is what cause The Walls of Jericho to fall Man will always have consequences to their action and always find ways to try and alter their own consequences. sounds like the same thing Pat Robertson said about Haiti No, Pat singled out one people and assumed what their sin was and HOW it would be judged. I merely stated the fact that consequences are a real thing and mankind , in general, will find ways to try to alter the consequences of their actions. that is what Pat meant about haitians making a deal with Satan ..what you did is just singled out the entire Human Race ... |
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Abuse, in my opinion, is mistreatment of another for personal gain or ego. Christ loved us too much to abuse us as many abusive husbands do to their wives while using the bible as an excuse. Follow me or else you are going to hell for eternal punishment. I love you with conditions. Sounds like a standard case of psychological abuse to me. Physical if we toss in the eternal punishment bit. So men who abuse their spouses ARE indeed following the Bible, (and have a valid excuse) just a bit sooner then by the time one dies. No, actually I was speaking about the example of Christ, who never said for anyone to follow him or go to hell. Christ, instead, died himself so that others would not. That is the love a husband is to have for his wife, not an abusive love. just out of curiousity, if a fireman runs into a burning house and saves some lives but dies while doing it, should those lives he saved now worship him as a god thing? I've always wondered about that. A fireman gets COMPENSATION to do a job. I feel this is very different than self sacrifice. A fireman doesnt go in PLANNING to die, he is trained to survie,,also different from Christ who planned and set out to lay down his life. I do feel fireman choose a career of bravery,,but no, I would never worship them for what they do. So if a fireman is suicidal, then you would worship him? |
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Getting back to the specifics of Pat Robertson's comments, that sounds like the mostly calm "rantings " of a crazy man who is bent on condemning every idea that doesn't match identically with his own interpretation of a book that is, in essence, a compilation of 5000+ year old stories, 2000year old letters and parables, and word-of-mouth accounts of one man's life that were handed down orally for 100-400 years before they were even put on paper and officially adopted by the early church into one "holy book". A book which, btw, even it's own supporters can't agree on how to interpret it. As far as the allegations of "a pact with the devil", this smacks of being the stuff of urban legend, which Mr. Robertson is now running with and siting as fact. To me, he sounds like a nut case who has never been proven to be a physical danger to himself or anyone else, so he's still allowed to spout off this garbage. And as long as he continues to not be a physical danger to self or others, he will continue being able to shovel such dung, on the basis of freedom of religion and freedom of expression. indeed. |
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i'm confused..i thought jews didn't believe in satan. Jews believe in angels....and Satan was one yes Satan was the most beautiful most powerful of all angels. He thought he was more powerful then God and is why he was kicked out of heaven. And exactly why would Satan think this? "hmmm...ok, God created the heavens and the earth. He created life on the Earth. He created us angels. hmmm...well I've got this light thing going on....yeah, I can take him..."---Satan's last words in Heaven 
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... |
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I can imagine the 'archaeologists' of the 28th century (being 'digital archaeologists, who don't dig up the earth, they dig up old youtube videos...) having a field day with this one.
That is some hard-core crazy talk; I'm embarrassed to belong to the same species as him. |
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I am missing what miles posted that was crazy or embarassing,, can someone please put the quotes to point it out to me,,,,,?
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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods.
fowl play??  Somone gave the bird to Haiti??
i'm sorry...that just struck me as very funny... |
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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods.
considering mans capabilities (nuclear weapons) and desire for power, I put nothing past us,,, I really do think we can move mountains but unfortunately not always for just reasons. of course we can move mountains...well you can anyway. if any 2 christians agree on something in the lord's name.... |
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I am missing what miles posted that was crazy or embarassing,, can someone please put the quotes to point it out to me,,,,,? Are you making assumptions? |
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I am missing what miles posted that was crazy or embarassing,, can someone please put the quotes to point it out to me,,,,,? Are you making assumptions? No, Arcamedes implied miles was crazy, Im wondering what in miles previous post draws Arcamedes to that conclusion. |
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I think that after shock was a little late coming. I suspect fowl play. (Man made earth quake conspiracy theory kicks in.) Did you know we have the capability to create earthquakes? Don't blame God. Look for an agenda. We now have troops there and we will now proceed to rebuild that country in our image. We must be Gods.
considering mans capabilities (nuclear weapons) and desire for power, I put nothing past us,,, I really do think we can move mountains but unfortunately not always for just reasons. perhaps (nuclear weapons) is what cause The Walls of Jericho to fall Man will always have consequences to their action and always find ways to try and alter their own consequences. sounds like the same thing Pat Robertson said about Haiti No, Pat singled out one people and assumed what their sin was and HOW it would be judged. I merely stated the fact that consequences are a real thing and mankind , in general, will find ways to try to alter the consequences of their actions. That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. Isaiah said it very well when he said of this generation.. Everyman will do what he see as right in his own eyes. So very true we can see that on these boards.. We should remember what James said We look into a mirror and see us for what we are but when we walk away we forget who we truely are... Blessings of Shalom..Miles |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... |
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Abuse, in my opinion, is mistreatment of another for personal gain or ego. Christ loved us too much to abuse us as many abusive husbands do to their wives while using the bible as an excuse. Follow me or else you are going to hell for eternal punishment. I love you with conditions. Sounds like a standard case of psychological abuse to me. Physical if we toss in the eternal punishment bit. So men who abuse their spouses ARE indeed following the Bible, (and have a valid excuse) just a bit sooner then by the time one dies. No, I dont worship any man and I dont condone suicide. If a person lays down their life for no personal gain so another might live, I would hold them with great respect though. No, actually I was speaking about the example of Christ, who never said for anyone to follow him or go to hell. Christ, instead, died himself so that others would not. That is the love a husband is to have for his wife, not an abusive love. just out of curiousity, if a fireman runs into a burning house and saves some lives but dies while doing it, should those lives he saved now worship him as a god thing? I've always wondered about that. A fireman gets COMPENSATION to do a job. I feel this is very different than self sacrifice. A fireman doesnt go in PLANNING to die, he is trained to survie,,also different from Christ who planned and set out to lay down his life. I do feel fireman choose a career of bravery,,but no, I would never worship them for what they do. So if a fireman is suicidal, then you would worship him? |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... Actually, miles posted that man changes MANS laws, not Gods. It was once illegal to do many things that are now acceptable the same is true the opposite way around. It was not always illegal to have pot but now it is. At different times in our historyour laws have prohibited things and later unprhobited them. I dont feel a need to post all the laws that have changed in mans history. |
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If God did do this I hardly blame him.This country sounds about as far from anything good as I can imagine.
A short history of Haiti For tourists on cruise ships plying the Caribbean, Haiti appears a beguiling, mysterious place.The first independent black state, set up 200 years ago after a rebellion by African slaves against colonial France, the mountainous island is home to exotic birds and animals and mist-shrouded tropical forests. But it is no paradise for the country's nine million people. Indeed, the devastating earthquake now bringing death and heartbreak is the latest in a long line of tragedies to befall a place dubbed the Island of the Damned. No paradise: A houngan, or voodoo priest, lights a pipe in his temple in Haiti.Those with the misfortune to be born in Haiti - part of the island of Hispaniola, shared with the Dominican Republic - have long endured a living hell. With one in ten under-40s infected with HIV, and millions living in squalor and destitution, thousands try to flee each year to the U.S. by hanging on to anything that will float. While hurricanes, floods and earthquakes have all devastated the landscape over the years, the biggest threat has come from humans. Successive dictators have raped, murdered and even reputedly eaten their enemies.Described by one commentator as an 'international crime scene' rather than a country, Haiti became infamous around the world during the reign of Francois 'Papa Doc' Duvalier, a former doctor who murdered 100,000 people and formed a private band of killers called the Tonton Macoutes. Wearing their trademark mirrored sunglasses and designer T-shirts, these murderers and cannibals were named after a terrifying bogeyman from Haitian mythology, who carried off naughty children into slavery.The Tonton Macoutes cut out the hearts, eyes and lungs of opponents with machetes, while Papa Doc, who stole almost a billion pounds in foreign aid, insisted that every television and radio programme had to be entirely in praise of his rule. In power from 1957, Papa Doc made voodoo the country's official religion and claimed to be Baron Samedi, the religion's spirit of death.He often wore a top hat and tails while demanding the skulls of his dead victims were brought to his palace in Port-au-Prince. He collected blood from prisoners who had been tortured and killed and sold it for $22 a pint to U.S. health groups. He once ordered the death of all black dogs in the country after a political enemy was rumoured to have transformed into one.Haitian women participate in a voodoo ritual which includes animal sacrifice Even after Papa Doc died in 1971 there was no respite for Haiti. Baby Doc, his deranged son, took over and continued the terror. His wife spent £10,000 a month on flowers and always wore expensive furs indoors - with officials facing death if they forgot to turn on the air-conditioning.After 15 more years of bloodshed and oppression, the people finally rose up in 1986 and Baby Doc was forced to flee into exile in France. But the torment did not end with the Duvaliers. After the country's first free elections in 1991, the new president, Jean Bertrand Aristide, was forced to flee after a coup by corrupt military figures keen to control lucrative cocaine smuggling routes.In 1993, I watched as the might of the U.S. military was repelled by mobs armed with stones and clubs when American troops arrived to restore order. Papa and Baby Doc were long gone, but gangs of Tonton Macoutes roamed the streets in pick-up trucks, randomly shooting anyone they passed. Aristide returned to power in 1994 with a bigger U.S. force - only to flee again after threats that he would be hacked to death and eaten. Since then, despite the presence of an ineffective UN peacekeeping force, gangs have continued to wreak havoc and murder throughout a country where new graves are guarded to prevent bodies being stolen for voodoo rituals. The most infamous of these killers is the Cannibal Gang, a group of sadists once led by a former prisoner with political aspirations, who was himself shot in the eyes and had his heart cut out in 2004. His gang lives on, murdering innocent people and allegedly eating their organs.For the people of Haiti, though, hope has always been a rare commodity. |
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Perhaps they can now find some hope from the destruction.
I noticed (and I have been told by a few Haitians) that these people seem to have an amazing resiliance, surviving things that most americans would never get through. I found it amazing the shape some of these children were in after being trapped in carnage for days and how QUICKLY they seemed to recover(perhaps these are a people more blessed than the current situation allows us to see). Many a great people have gone through terrible tests and tragedies before being lifted up,,perhaps it is time for Haiti. I wish them so many blessings. |
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