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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... The Sabbath... Adultry is the norm these days no shame in it. Foods.... man has determined what is good to eat and what is not. The bible says these foods we eat will cause sicknessses and they do.. Like for example all bottom feeding fish clams ect... eat our waiste then we eat them. Theft... Theft rarely comensates the victim.. Yahweh's law says that you have to repay the victim back at least 2x as much as u stole. Seldom is man accountable for his animals.... Yahweh's laws if is know your animals get out and you have done nothing to fix the problem if your animal kills someone you will die for it.. If it maims or hurts someone you will take care of all that persons needs untill they get well. Need I go on? Blessings...Miles P.S. Yahweh's way does not need prisons. Instead the crimnal paid for his crimes in ways he did not want to get caught doing wrong again |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... The Sabbath... Adultry is the norm these days no shame in it. Foods.... man has determined what is good to eat and what is not. The bible says these foods we eat will cause sicknessses and they do.. Like for example all bottom feeding fish clams ect... eat our waiste then we eat them. Theft... Theft rarely comensates the victim.. Yahweh's law says that you have to repay the victim back at least 2x as much as u stole. Seldom is man accountable for his animals.... Yahweh's laws if is know your animals get out and you have done nothing to fix the problem if your animal kills someone you will die for it.. If it maims or hurts someone you will take care of all that persons needs untill they get well. Need I go on? Blessings...Miles P.S. Yahweh's way does not need prisons. Instead the crimnal paid for his crimes in ways he did not want to get caught doing wrong again |
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... This is what I am talking about..... What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- French rescue workers pulled a 24-year-old man alive from the rubble of a hotel in Haiti on Saturday, 11 days after an earthquake devastated much of the country. Wismond Jean-Pierre, who had no visible injuries but was severely dehydrated, was immediately loaded into an ambulance and taken to a hospital for treatment. Lt. Col. Christophe Renou, a rescuer with the French team, called the three-hour effort "a miracle" as he was briefly overcome with emotion. Other members of the team -- assisted by American and Greek workers -- were seen weeping with joy following the rescue. "This is God," Frank Louvier, the chief of the French rescue team, said as he pointed to the sky. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/23/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1 Yahweh shows us that anything with him is possible even in the worst conditions and that his hand is here. Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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Perhaps they can now find some hope from the destruction. I noticed (and I have been told by a few Haitians) that these people seem to have an amazing resiliance, surviving things that most americans would never get through. I found it amazing the shape some of these children were in after being trapped in carnage for days and how QUICKLY they seemed to recover(perhaps these are a people more blessed than the current situation allows us to see). Many a great people have gone through terrible tests and tragedies before being lifted up,,perhaps it is time for Haiti. I wish them so many blessings. On this, we seem to agree. |
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Edited by
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... This is what I am talking about..... What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- French rescue workers pulled a 24-year-old man alive from the rubble of a hotel in Haiti on Saturday, 11 days after an earthquake devastated much of the country. Wismond Jean-Pierre, who had no visible injuries but was severely dehydrated, was immediately loaded into an ambulance and taken to a hospital for treatment. Lt. Col. Christophe Renou, a rescuer with the French team, called the three-hour effort "a miracle" as he was briefly overcome with emotion. Other members of the team -- assisted by American and Greek workers -- were seen weeping with joy following the rescue. "This is God," Frank Louvier, the chief of the French rescue team, said as he pointed to the sky. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/23/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1 Yahweh shows us that anything with him is possible even in the worst conditions and that his hand is here. Blessings of Shalom...Miles holy crap! that's so completely ridiculous. Your assumption that God saved this man is preposterous. Here's an idea, if God wanted to save this man, he could've just arranged the world so he either A. wouldn't have a building fall on him or B.wait to crunch the building till after the guy left it. If you insist on praising God for his safety, you should also curse God for the 11 days of hell he went through |
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It is a tragedy what happens to people during natural disasters, but they are a part of the earths process and not an inherent evil. When people survive these types of disasters, it is not unreasonable for them to feel blessed or that God answered their plea for help somehow. I dont think God intervenes in the earths natural cycles, but I do believe he answers prayers and HELPS those who seek his help. It helps for me, personally, to not see death as a terrible thing but as another way God also calls his children to a better place. Some of his children who have not completed their purpose are made to remain here until they do and others are taken when their purpose is done.
That is just my outlook though,,I know everyone views death differently. |
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Here is another great Pat Robertson quote: "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson Does he sit facing a wall rocking to and fro while tied up in a straight jacket?  No wonder there are problems in this world with dickheads such as Pat Robertson...Poo Robertson i mean Pat Robertson your talking crap no wonder your in an asylum!!Anna x
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Pat is way out there. Be mindful though, that for a Christian, Good intentions dont always align with Gods Will. I think the womens movement had great intentions but I think it ended up doing alot of harm as well(no idea what murdering children or witchcraft has to do with it), but I do think the model is for a woman and man to marry for life and raise their children with the man providing and the woman nurturing in the home. We just have gotten so far away from caring for each other enough to carry out those types of roles in love instead of in selfishness, that things have gone WAY off course.
It was much more than the womens movement though, it was about a lack of balance. The idea of a man providing and a woman nurturing provided ALL of a childs requirements. When women fought to work, the balance was thrown off because they did not also fight to start encouraging men to NURTURE the kids,, the kids lost the balance and lost out. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... This is what I am talking about..... What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- French rescue workers pulled a 24-year-old man alive from the rubble of a hotel in Haiti on Saturday, 11 days after an earthquake devastated much of the country. Wismond Jean-Pierre, who had no visible injuries but was severely dehydrated, was immediately loaded into an ambulance and taken to a hospital for treatment. Lt. Col. Christophe Renou, a rescuer with the French team, called the three-hour effort "a miracle" as he was briefly overcome with emotion. Other members of the team -- assisted by American and Greek workers -- were seen weeping with joy following the rescue. "This is God," Frank Louvier, the chief of the French rescue team, said as he pointed to the sky. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/23/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1 Yahweh shows us that anything with him is possible even in the worst conditions and that his hand is here. Blessings of Shalom...Miles holy crap! that's so completely ridiculous. Your assumption that God saved this man is preposterous. Here's an idea, if God wanted to save this man, he could've just arranged the world so he either A. wouldn't have a building fall on him or B.wait to crunch the building till after the guy left it. If you insist on praising God for his safety, you should also curse God for the 11 days of hell he went through You have your own opinion.. But even these rescurers were overtaken that this was a miracle. If you have paid any attention to the news the Rescue effort was officially called of on day 10. Now 1 day may not sound like much but they do not call off this sort of effort untill the medical personal say thier is no more hope. This man is not even injured just dehydraded after 11 days. Why he lived and others did not who knows.. I would bet that he believes in miracles..I know I do. Your preposterous notion that this is crap is a notion that we came from nothing. Live for nothing and die for nothing.. makes sence with this sort of attitude why this world is in the shape it is in..On the brink of disaster. The only reason we in this great nation have not fallen is if we do the worlds economy does and then the dog eat dog world becomes a real reality instead of a phrase. As people do anything to save themselves and thier families. Don't think it can not happen it is going to happen.. See i know about miracles because I experienced one. Documention drs. shaking thier head. Work can not understand it but I knew. All i did was say in my mind "Yahshua help me" after all else i did failed. I am the only person to have ever lived through breaking a current circuit on a 14,400 volt transformer. I thought i was dead .I know it was not very long i was shook like a rag doll blinded, speechless and all i could hear was the crackle of electricity. And its true like so many have said your muscles contract and you can not let go. But when i ran out of option when it should of been my 1st thought.I finally cried out in my mind "Yahshua help me" instantly a insulator made to keep the voltage/current from ground failed it arced over a foot to ground. Ever seen an arc like that it is very rare especially at that voltage yet it did. I worked for AmerenUE out of St Louis a 12,000 person workforce 105 year old company. Yet i am rushed to St Maries Hospital in Jefferson City Mo. test done all night they scared my wife to death because they said i had to have internal burns which is a slow death. But after testing all night the Dr said he did not know what to say he could not find anything wrong with me.. That was in Aug 1993 during the flood of 93. Miracles do happen.. When Yahweh intervenes is alot like when we intervene with our children. They have made a big mistake and cry out for us maybe as your son crosses the road and hears the horn of a mac truck. As a father you run, dive do whatever you have to to save your child. Thank goodness you was thier when your child did something he did not realize he was doing. Thats the way Yahweh works is he reaches out to who we may not ever understand..But he does reach out. When Yahweh reaches out I call that a miracle.. Blessings... May Yahweh of Hosts Dry our Tears and Let us See His Healing Hands...Shalom...Miles |
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... This is what I am talking about..... What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- French rescue workers pulled a 24-year-old man alive from the rubble of a hotel in Haiti on Saturday, 11 days after an earthquake devastated much of the country. Wismond Jean-Pierre, who had no visible injuries but was severely dehydrated, was immediately loaded into an ambulance and taken to a hospital for treatment. Lt. Col. Christophe Renou, a rescuer with the French team, called the three-hour effort "a miracle" as he was briefly overcome with emotion. Other members of the team -- assisted by American and Greek workers -- were seen weeping with joy following the rescue. "This is God," Frank Louvier, the chief of the French rescue team, said as he pointed to the sky. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/23/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1 Yahweh shows us that anything with him is possible even in the worst conditions and that his hand is here. Blessings of Shalom...Miles holy crap! that's so completely ridiculous. Your assumption that God saved this man is preposterous. Here's an idea, if God wanted to save this man, he could've just arranged the world so he either A. wouldn't have a building fall on him or B.wait to crunch the building till after the guy left it. If you insist on praising God for his safety, you should also curse God for the 11 days of hell he went through You have your own opinion.. But even these rescurers were overtaken that this was a miracle. If you have paid any attention to the news the Rescue effort was officially called of on day 10. Now 1 day may not sound like much but they do not call off this sort of effort untill the medical personal say thier is no more hope. This man is not even injured just dehydraded after 11 days. Why he lived and others did not who knows.. I would bet that he believes in miracles..I know I do. Your preposterous notion that this is crap is a notion that we came from nothing. Live for nothing and die for nothing.. makes sence with this sort of attitude why this world is in the shape it is in..On the brink of disaster. The only reason we in this great nation have not fallen is if we do the worlds economy does and then the dog eat dog world becomes a real reality instead of a phrase. As people do anything to save themselves and thier families. Don't think it can not happen it is going to happen.. See i know about miracles because I experienced one. Documentaion drs. shaking thier head. Work can not understand it but I knew. Alll i did was say in my mind "Yahshua help me" after all else i did failed. I am the only person to have ever lived through breaking a current circuit on a 14,400 transformer. I thought i was dead .I know it was not very long i was shook like a rag doll blinded speechless and all i could hear was the crackle of electricity. And its true like so many have said your muscles contract and you can not let go. But when i ran out of option when it should of been my 1st thought. "Yahshua help me" instatly a insulator made to keep the voltage/current from ground failed it arced over a foot to ground. Ever seen an arc like that it is very rare escecially at that voltage yet it did. I worked for AmerenUE out of St Louis a 12,000 105 year old company. Yet i am rushed to St Maries Hospital in Jefferson City Mo. test done all night they scared my wife to death because they said i had to have internal burns which is a slow death. But after testing all night the Dr said he did not know what to say he could not find anything wrong with me.. That was in Aug 1993 during the flood of 93. Miracles do happen.. When Yahweh intervenes is alot like when we intervene with our children. They have made a big mistake and cry out for us maybe as your son crosses the road and hears the horn of a mac truck. As a father you run dive do whatever you have to to save your child. Thank goodness you was thier when your child did something he did not realize he was doing. Thats the way Yahweh works is he reaches out to who we may not ever understand..But he does reach out. When Yahweh reaches out I call that a miracle.. Blessings May Yahweh of Hosts Dry our Tears and Let us See His Healing Hand...Shalom...Miles wonderful and inspiring story, thanx for sharing,,, |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... The Sabbath... Need I go on? Blessings...Miles Nope the Sabbath is enough ..... the Sabbath is on Saturdays and you and MsHarmony are supposed to keep the Sabbath holy....I hope this doesn't stop you two from posting on Mingles2 on Saturdays.. but how is you two posting on a dating website on Saturdays keeping the Sabbath holy breaking the Sabbath is punishable by Death .. isn't it a good thing that Man change this rule...but to be on the safe side perhaps you and MsHarmonry should stone your avatars to death |
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It is a tragedy what happens to people during natural disasters, but they are a part of the earths process and not an inherent evil. When people survive these types of disasters, it is not unreasonable for them to feel blessed or that God answered their plea for help somehow. I dont think God intervenes in the earths natural cycles, but I do believe he answers prayers and HELPS those who seek his help. It helps for me, personally, to not see death as a terrible thing but as another way God also calls his children to a better place. Some of his children who have not completed their purpose are made to remain here until they do and others are taken when their purpose is done. That is just my outlook though,,I know everyone views death differently. oh that is so silly and illogical. Helps those that seek his help? Really? Are you really claiming that? So, all those other people that died from that tradgedy--are you now claiming that not 1 of them sought his help? And noone else sought his help for them? Why can't religious people see the absolute absurdity of claiming that "God answers prayers and HELPS those that seek his help"?? |
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Pat is way out there. Be mindful though, that for a Christian, Good intentions dont always align with Gods Will. I think the womens movement had great intentions but I think it ended up doing alot of harm as well(no idea what murdering children or witchcraft has to do with it), but I do think the model is for a woman and man to marry for life and raise their children with the man providing and the woman nurturing in the home. We just have gotten so far away from caring for each other enough to carry out those types of roles in love instead of in selfishness, that things have gone WAY off course. It was much more than the womens movement though, it was about a lack of balance. The idea of a man providing and a woman nurturing provided ALL of a childs requirements. When women fought to work, the balance was thrown off because they did not also fight to start encouraging men to NURTURE the kids,, the kids lost the balance and lost out. can ya hear me all the way back there in middleages? |
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... This is what I am talking about..... What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- French rescue workers pulled a 24-year-old man alive from the rubble of a hotel in Haiti on Saturday, 11 days after an earthquake devastated much of the country. Wismond Jean-Pierre, who had no visible injuries but was severely dehydrated, was immediately loaded into an ambulance and taken to a hospital for treatment. Lt. Col. Christophe Renou, a rescuer with the French team, called the three-hour effort "a miracle" as he was briefly overcome with emotion. Other members of the team -- assisted by American and Greek workers -- were seen weeping with joy following the rescue. "This is God," Frank Louvier, the chief of the French rescue team, said as he pointed to the sky. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/23/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1 Yahweh shows us that anything with him is possible even in the worst conditions and that his hand is here. Blessings of Shalom...Miles holy crap! that's so completely ridiculous. Your assumption that God saved this man is preposterous. Here's an idea, if God wanted to save this man, he could've just arranged the world so he either A. wouldn't have a building fall on him or B.wait to crunch the building till after the guy left it. If you insist on praising God for his safety, you should also curse God for the 11 days of hell he went through You have your own opinion.. But even these rescurers were overtaken that this was a miracle. If you have paid any attention to the news the Rescue effort was officially called of on day 10. Now 1 day may not sound like much but they do not call off this sort of effort untill the medical personal say thier is no more hope. This man is not even injured just dehydraded after 11 days. Why he lived and others did not who knows.. I would bet that he believes in miracles..I know I do. Your preposterous notion that this is crap is a notion that we came from nothing. Live for nothing and die for nothing.. makes sence with this sort of attitude why this world is in the shape it is in..On the brink of disaster. The only reason we in this great nation have not fallen is if we do the worlds economy does and then the dog eat dog world becomes a real reality instead of a phrase. As people do anything to save themselves and thier families. Don't think it can not happen it is going to happen.. See i know about miracles because I experienced one. Documention drs. shaking thier head. Work can not understand it but I knew. All i did was say in my mind "Yahshua help me" after all else i did failed. I am the only person to have ever lived through breaking a current circuit on a 14,400 volt transformer. I thought i was dead .I know it was not very long i was shook like a rag doll blinded, speechless and all i could hear was the crackle of electricity. And its true like so many have said your muscles contract and you can not let go. But when i ran out of option when it should of been my 1st thought.I finally cried out in my mind "Yahshua help me" instantly a insulator made to keep the voltage/current from ground failed it arced over a foot to ground. Ever seen an arc like that it is very rare especially at that voltage yet it did. I worked for AmerenUE out of St Louis a 12,000 person workforce 105 year old company. Yet i am rushed to St Maries Hospital in Jefferson City Mo. test done all night they scared my wife to death because they said i had to have internal burns which is a slow death. But after testing all night the Dr said he did not know what to say he could not find anything wrong with me.. That was in Aug 1993 during the flood of 93. Miracles do happen.. When Yahweh intervenes is alot like when we intervene with our children. They have made a big mistake and cry out for us maybe as your son crosses the road and hears the horn of a mac truck. As a father you run, dive do whatever you have to to save your child. Thank goodness you was thier when your child did something he did not realize he was doing. Thats the way Yahweh works is he reaches out to who we may not ever understand..But he does reach out. When Yahweh reaches out I call that a miracle.. Blessings... May Yahweh of Hosts Dry our Tears and Let us See His Healing Hands...Shalom...Miles oh for the luv of pete...I think that electric jolt scrambled your logic centers If God had a hand in your survival, he could've arranged the world so you would not have been shocked in the first place. The fact that you survived is amazing, but not a miracle. There's a guy that's been hit w/ lightening, last I read, 8 times and survived. Big deal. Some people are better conductors than others. There is nothing miraculous about that. Sorry to burst your bubble. In any case, if you praise God for your survival, it only stands to reason that you should curse God for hurting you in the first place. Miracles do not happen. At least none that aren't easily explained by natural laws, physics, and the like. |
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It is a tragedy what happens to people during natural disasters, but they are a part of the earths process and not an inherent evil. When people survive these types of disasters, it is not unreasonable for them to feel blessed or that God answered their plea for help somehow. I dont think God intervenes in the earths natural cycles, but I do believe he answers prayers and HELPS those who seek his help. It helps for me, personally, to not see death as a terrible thing but as another way God also calls his children to a better place. Some of his children who have not completed their purpose are made to remain here until they do and others are taken when their purpose is done. That is just my outlook though,,I know everyone views death differently. oh that is so silly and illogical. Helps those that seek his help? Really? Are you really claiming that? So, all those other people that died from that tradgedy--are you now claiming that not 1 of them sought his help? And noone else sought his help for them? Why can't religious people see the absolute absurdity of claiming that "God answers prayers and HELPS those that seek his help"?? I dont think you are reading my ENTIRE post. I also said I see death as God calling people home who have served their earthly purpose. Those who died, obviously served their purpose, which is a blessed thing although in the flesh it seems awful. The earthquake served a purpose for the earth. And those whose time was not up were spared to give Glory to God another day. It is not absurd at all, as I explained before, how can one get assistance that they refuse to apply for..it just doesnt work that way. |
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What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Yahweh does good but what you do not realize this is a training ground for Yahweh's future family who will be Royalty as Seen in Rev 14 the Marraige supper when you become part of that family. And Priests who we find in Rev 15 who help take care of all the creation that has been done that we do not even have any idea how big it is. This physical training is to become the Spiritual where we will be above the Angels. We will still have free will but have went through a process of learning who and what Yahweh is. The Beauty and Kindness that shines from him that all guile and the me me me world we live in now will not be. We will put others 1st. Thats why marraige is so sacrad thats why when one spouse committs adultry they sin against themselves for out of it will come sadness and bitterness... But if we put the other 1st then Pure Love and care happens. Why things happen when they happen and why who knows. I doubt if its Yahweh. We hear of global warming. What are we told it is from? Man not taking care of the earth he was given. Thats not Yahweh's fault that people will suffer because of it. This is true in the Amazon where the forrests are being wiped out people will suffer. but for a child to become an adult he stumbles many times thinking he knows more than his parents. We did our selves part of growing up. So Yahweh is not the cause of all things if this is the case every child that breaks the law the parent should be charged with the same crime. Would that be fair? You gave them freewill didn't you? Thier 40 years old if you want to blame Yahweh then blame yourself for anything that your children have done wrong and take the same punishment. Then those years while they were growing did you take freewill away on sonethings for thier own good? Of course you did.. Yahweh the Father is no different. The freewill that you want to say he has taken away are the laws and statutes he has given us as a Blessing not to curse your mother and father and show respect to the ellderly and listen to what they have to say. But sadly we have become a me me world our children rule us the law rules them and we have prisons that are over flowing because we want to blame Yahweh and in doing so reject what he has said is good for us. I feel for the Haitian people but we are told things like this will happen. Are we going to cuss Yahweh for it or learn from it. I have seen where many reports have shown Haitians rejoicing not cussing many crying and not knowing and niether do we.. Accept it and turn towards the word of Yahweh because in it is promised Life. Blessings...Miles/....P S I am not a Jew I am a Yahwists who believes the OT was not done away as we can see through out the Apostles and Disciples lives just out of curiousity, when exactly did you lose your mind? Your comments used to be so brilliant and eloquent, if a bit wordy. I miss the old miles... This is what I am talking about..... What or how something happens does not mean Yahweh does not give you free will. What we can see is miracles nobody can explain. Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- French rescue workers pulled a 24-year-old man alive from the rubble of a hotel in Haiti on Saturday, 11 days after an earthquake devastated much of the country. Wismond Jean-Pierre, who had no visible injuries but was severely dehydrated, was immediately loaded into an ambulance and taken to a hospital for treatment. Lt. Col. Christophe Renou, a rescuer with the French team, called the three-hour effort "a miracle" as he was briefly overcome with emotion. Other members of the team -- assisted by American and Greek workers -- were seen weeping with joy following the rescue. "This is God," Frank Louvier, the chief of the French rescue team, said as he pointed to the sky. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/23/haiti.earthquake/index.html?hpt=T1 Yahweh shows us that anything with him is possible even in the worst conditions and that his hand is here. Blessings of Shalom...Miles holy crap! that's so completely ridiculous. Your assumption that God saved this man is preposterous. Here's an idea, if God wanted to save this man, he could've just arranged the world so he either A. wouldn't have a building fall on him or B.wait to crunch the building till after the guy left it. If you insist on praising God for his safety, you should also curse God for the 11 days of hell he went through You have your own opinion.. But even these rescurers were overtaken that this was a miracle. If you have paid any attention to the news the Rescue effort was officially called of on day 10. Now 1 day may not sound like much but they do not call off this sort of effort untill the medical personal say thier is no more hope. This man is not even injured just dehydraded after 11 days. Why he lived and others did not who knows.. I would bet that he believes in miracles..I know I do. Your preposterous notion that this is crap is a notion that we came from nothing. Live for nothing and die for nothing.. makes sence with this sort of attitude why this world is in the shape it is in..On the brink of disaster. The only reason we in this great nation have not fallen is if we do the worlds economy does and then the dog eat dog world becomes a real reality instead of a phrase. As people do anything to save themselves and thier families. Don't think it can not happen it is going to happen.. See i know about miracles because I experienced one. Documention drs. shaking thier head. Work can not understand it but I knew. All i did was say in my mind "Yahshua help me" after all else i did failed. I am the only person to have ever lived through breaking a current circuit on a 14,400 volt transformer. I thought i was dead .I know it was not very long i was shook like a rag doll blinded, speechless and all i could hear was the crackle of electricity. And its true like so many have said your muscles contract and you can not let go. But when i ran out of option when it should of been my 1st thought.I finally cried out in my mind "Yahshua help me" instantly a insulator made to keep the voltage/current from ground failed it arced over a foot to ground. Ever seen an arc like that it is very rare especially at that voltage yet it did. I worked for AmerenUE out of St Louis a 12,000 person workforce 105 year old company. Yet i am rushed to St Maries Hospital in Jefferson City Mo. test done all night they scared my wife to death because they said i had to have internal burns which is a slow death. But after testing all night the Dr said he did not know what to say he could not find anything wrong with me.. That was in Aug 1993 during the flood of 93. Miracles do happen.. When Yahweh intervenes is alot like when we intervene with our children. They have made a big mistake and cry out for us maybe as your son crosses the road and hears the horn of a mac truck. As a father you run, dive do whatever you have to to save your child. Thank goodness you was thier when your child did something he did not realize he was doing. Thats the way Yahweh works is he reaches out to who we may not ever understand..But he does reach out. When Yahweh reaches out I call that a miracle.. Blessings... May Yahweh of Hosts Dry our Tears and Let us See His Healing Hands...Shalom...Miles oh for the luv of pete...I think that electric jolt scrambled your logic centers If God had a hand in your survival, he could've arranged the world so you would not have been shocked in the first place. The fact that you survived is amazing, but not a miracle. There's a guy that's been hit w/ lightening, last I read, 8 times and survived. Big deal. Some people are better conductors than others. There is nothing miraculous about that. Sorry to burst your bubble. In any case, if you praise God for your survival, it only stands to reason that you should curse God for hurting you in the first place. Miracles do not happen. At least none that aren't easily explained by natural laws, physics, and the like. For your info... easily explained....Shalom...Miles 'True miracle' Ms Bakari, who lives in Paris with her family, was treated in hospital in Moroni for injuries, said to include a fractured collarbone and burns. On Wednesday evening, she was reported to be flying back to Paris in a French government aircraft. French officials said that she was 12 years old, contradicting earlier reports she was 14. Speaking from Paris, her father Kassim Bakari said she was thrown from the plane as it hit the water. He said she clearly recalled the chaos of her time in the water. See large map and timeline Ties that bind: Comoros and France "She said: 'Papa, we saw the plane going down in the water. I was in the dark, I couldn't see a thing. "'[And] on top of that daddy, I can't swim well and I held on to something, but don't really know what'. "She's a very timid girl, I never thought she would escape like that," he said, adding that she was "fragile" and barely able to swim. Mr Bakari recalled how he said goodbye to his wife and daughter at the airport as they headed to the Comoros. "I kissed them both, then my wife turned around, she looked at me and she waved, and my daughter she didn't do anything, and that was the last time I saw my wife alive, because my daughter... I will see her again I hope, but for my wife it was the last time." French officials in Moroni praised the girl's courage. International Co-operation Minister Alain Joyandet described her rescue as a "true miracle". "She is a courageous young girl. She really showed an absolutely incredible physical and moral strength." An uncle who visited the girl in hospital in Moroni told the BBC she did not yet know that her mother had died. She was scheduled to be transferred back to Paris for treatment later on Wednesday, he added. "She is conscious, speaking well, [she] is ok. She was joking, she was chatting, we laughed together. "It's a miracle. It was God's will." |
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Wonderful things happen to people everyday. People can believe they have a natural, scientific, or spiritual reason, but I dont understand the passionate belittling or apparent anger towards those different beliefs.
i believe miracls happen everyday,,as does miles apparently, why belittle anyone or become frustrated or angered because of it? I am not at all upset about those believing the reasons are scientific or natural. We believe what we believe, but isnt it wonderful that people survive these apparently unsurvable situations everyday? Whether it be because of Gods mercy or not,,,take time to be appreciative of it I say. |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... The Sabbath... Need I go on? Blessings...Miles Nope the Sabbath is enough ..... the Sabbath is on Saturdays and you and MsHarmony are supposed to keep the Sabbath holy....I hope this doesn't stop you two from posting on Mingles2 on Saturdays.. but how is you two posting on a dating website on Saturdays keeping the Sabbath holy breaking the Sabbath is punishable by Death .. isn't it a good thing that Man change this rule...but to be on the safe side perhaps you and MsHarmonry should stone your avatars to death I wonder what happen to MsHarmony and Miles ....but anyway wouldn't those that violate the Sabbath face God's wrath and be on the Yahweh to Hell |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... The Sabbath... Need I go on? Blessings...Miles Nope the Sabbath is enough ..... the Sabbath is on Saturdays and you and MsHarmony are supposed to keep the Sabbath holy....I hope this doesn't stop you two from posting on Mingles2 on Saturdays.. but how is you two posting on a dating website on Saturdays keeping the Sabbath holy breaking the Sabbath is punishable by Death .. isn't it a good thing that Man change this rule...but to be on the safe side perhaps you and MsHarmonry should stone your avatars to death I wonder what happen to MsHarmony and Miles ....but anyway wouldn't those that violate the Sabbath face God's wrath and be on the Yahweh to Hell I practice the sabbath and no posting on these boards is not breaking the sabbath. We are to try and show the world what Yahweh is all about. Did the Priest who did the ministering on the Sabbath break it? No You say it is punishable by death. Thier is only one place in the bible where this happened. Do you know where that is? Do you know what was going on that made this man be put to death? If you don't then don't tell us stuff you do not undestand. Be like me telling a brain surgeon how to drill in someones head...Shalom...Miles |
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That is for sure msharmony.. Man changes his own rules constantly to make himself right.. ... Blessings of Shalom..Miles you guys are "parable preaching" and being vague .....what rules? .....come on name some specific rules of God that Man has change that neither one of you are involved in ... The Sabbath... Need I go on? Blessings...Miles Nope the Sabbath is enough ..... the Sabbath is on Saturdays and you and MsHarmony are supposed to keep the Sabbath holy....I hope this doesn't stop you two from posting on Mingles2 on Saturdays.. but how is you two posting on a dating website on Saturdays keeping the Sabbath holy breaking the Sabbath is punishable by Death .. isn't it a good thing that Man change this rule...but to be on the safe side perhaps you and MsHarmonry should stone your avatars to death I wonder what happen to MsHarmony and Miles ....but anyway wouldn't those that violate the Sabbath face God's wrath and be on the Yahweh to Hell well, actually, being on a forum doesnt PRODUCE anything so it is not anymore work than if I laid in the bed all day,,,so ,, NO it would have nothing to do with violating the Sabbath and thanx for asking about me,,btw |
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