I gotta agree with chaz on this, if the new hc thing is so great, why did congress exempt themselves from it?

Uninformed!

The bill offers citizens to buy into an identical congressional plan!

Where do you get congress has exempted themselves from anything? A Republican blog?

This bill offers to insure 30 million Americans and regulate Insurance companies from unjust adjustments to existing health-care plans.
Immediately, it stops unfair rejection due to pre-existing medical problems in children.

What did the Republican Plan offer?
Oh yeah, they didn't have a plan!

Besides not having a plan,
They, Republicans, stripped this one down to what it is, and still all 40 voted against it.

If just 5 would have voted their conscience they could have told Leiberman and Nelson to suck egg.

If just 5 Republicans would have supported Health-Care reform, the Nebraska deal wouldn't have been necessary, and we would still have a bill with a public option.

The Repubs whine, but they whine anyway, and are at fault for any deal making done to get the necessary votes to pass the bill.

I can't really understand how you can blame republicans for the senate version of the bill. 60 dem votes should have guaranteed that the bill included what Obama and Reid wanted. There is really no excuse for the cowardice shown by the dems.. You can blame republicans all night long, but 60 votes and no public option tells me the dems are a rather pathetic lot.

If just 5 Republicans would have supported Health-Care reform, the Nebraska deal wouldn't have been necessary, and we would still have a bill with a public option.


The Republicans wanted no Reform.
They didn't want to provide health Insurance to those without.
They offered nothing but delay and obstruction to the soring cost of health-care in America.
It was a Republican filibuster which made the 60 votes necessary for the bill passage.

Their unanimous "NO" to compromise, and their against "the people" attitude lead to deal making in order to get the bill passed.

You can sit and deny it all day, but the fact is that without unanimous Republican opposition to any reform, deal making wouldn't have been necessary.

Pathetic isn't it?
We can all thank Harry Reid for his leadership in getting past the Republican obstructive tactics on behalf of the Insurance lobbyists.

The Republic Party; Not For America!

What obstructive tactics? What part of fillibuster proof majority don't you get? 60 VOTES... No possible obstruction by a 20 vote minority..

The problem was within the Dem ranks.. They are either cowards or geniuses.

Time will tell..

40.

There are 100 members in the Senate,

58 Dems, 2 Independents, and 40 Repub.

With no Repub participation, only obstruction and delay, they needed everyone else to vote yes.
That meant deal making.

If just 2 Republicans had been able to think and act for themselves the bill would still have a public option and no deal for Nebraska.

Oh well. The bill passed and the losers lost!

Now they cry foul on a fabricated Constitutional argument. LOL
Like the Republican Party knows what Constitutional even means.

He has made us appear weak. Nothing more. If you consider that an improvement.....



He's closing Gitmo...but so what?? He's closing one place, just to open up another on American soil. Those men are still going to be held in custody.



He STOPPED an Economic Collapse??? What world are YOU living in???



To paraphrase one of my favorite Mingle posters...POPPYCOCK



Which has done exactly nothing but run up the risks of destroying even MORE industries in this country because they won't be able to AFFORD to keep up with the unrealistic " goals " for carbon output to halt something that there isn't a blessed thing we can actually do anything about in the first place.

Just a quick example.

The company I work for, two years ago, sent 13 MILLION dollars on a " scrubber " to cut down, by 80 percent, the amount of CO2 we were putting out.

But guess what...thanks to Mr Obama and his great ideas and strong actions, it has been declared that what we have done is not enough. Our company will be forced, FORCED, to spend MILLIONS MORE that the company can ill afford.



He focused nothing but a few pretty speeches. Where is HIS idea?? Where is HIS plan???

He has done NOTHING about the health care debate.

He has proposed NO ideas of his own to solve the problems. Instead, he has allowed the Dems in the House and Senate to ram through a bill that no one really knows is any good.

He has done NOTHING to improve MY life.

It isn't through HIS efforts that I still have a job. I am fortunate enough to work in an industry that provides something that every day Americans will use and can afford to buy.

He's done nothing for me except raise my taxes in the nice little " fine " that HIS government is going to impose on me if I don't buy something that, if I was able to afford it in the first damn place, I would ALREADY HAVE.

Thanks, Mr Obama.

Fantastic job.

I know there are 100 in the senate. There is a 20 vote difference. 60-40=20

The 2 so called independents caucus with the dems so its 60 votes.

60 votes to 40 votes and they can't pass the bill their president wants..

Pretty pathetic..

BS on top of BS

The republicans didn't strip the health care bill down....

All 40 republicans have been against the bill from the beginning. The dems stripped the bill of the public option.....and still had to buy democratic votes to get what's left of it passed. Democrats are solely responsible for this bill. Republicans were steadfast against the bill from day one and still are.

It is interesting to note than insurers stocks have skyrocketed once it was anticipated that the dems couldn't hold all of their 60 votes together with their original bill and that dems would accept a watered down bill no matter what the consequences just to say we passed health care.

Keep drinking the eggnog....

They did pass it!

LMAO

The Republican Party.

Not For America.
Not For Americans.

It is funny.. Obama wants a single payer system and ends up with this mess..

You have set the bar of victory pretty low, my friend..

there is one thing I don't quite understand

why is there such a rush to pass this healthcare reform bill?

when none of the healthcare reform provisions take effect until after the next Presidential election?

why rush so much on someting that won't take effect for three or four more years anyway?

Yeah,
well when you have 40 Senators who won't participate, because they don't care about the health and well being of the people, this is what happens.

This is a start and the Republicans will now be forced to live up to their misinformation campaign.
The truth will now be made clear about their lies. Then we can get rid of more Republicans and make some real progress towards giving our gov back to the people.

I had no problem with incremental changes. They could have done some things to move towards a better system without coming up with a 2000 page bill that creates a total mess and raises taxes and premiums. I don't know about you, but I think that we are in a serious financial crisis, that isn't going away anytime soon. It doesn't matter to me who is in power, because both parties have no regard for the debt or how the hell we are going to stop the massive deficit spending. 2010 is going to bring the largest budget deficit in history. Right now the government will only bring in enough money to cover the mandatory spending. The financial implications of this bill and all the other bills they have passed and want to pass is going to continue the insolvent operating conditions. I have a serious problem with that.

If we were sitting on a balanced budget or they had the will to make the cuts necessary to fund this without raising taxes or expanding the debt, I would be on your side. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

The financial solvency of this country should top all of our priorities.

And the reason that republicans did not participate is from day one it's all been about the public option - basically, an effort so that the government could take over of health care. Republicans will never support such. Seriously, ever think about what kind of bill the debate could have produced if the dems had not insisted on that. I guess not.....

Yup, once again we've fooled ourself that running deficits won't eventually turn catastrophic.

The dollar is virtually worthless. Artificial manipulation of the currency and markets couldn't continue without a total collapse. When you don't run a solvent business, you go bankrupt. When you run an insolvent government you print more money. It's a great concept until the scheme collapses. We are on borrowed time. Literally..