As a member of our society, I am disappointed in Thomas' views, as its obvious to me that views such as that are excellent catalysts for violence (which is not to say that they will lead to violence in all people).

I denounce Thomas' views, in the sense that I disagree with them, and recognize them as anti-social and potentially harmful to others. I also recognize them as clearly a product of the modern Christian religion - which I do recognize as having many different factions.

I am not Christian, yet I feel a bit responsible for the fact that there are people out there in the world who harbor such dangerous ideas. If I was Christian, I would feel even more responsible. Are only some Christians called upon to speak out against sin? Are not some of Thomas' statements sinful? Why do we not have more Christians speaking up, speaking against his words?

I am disappointed in the silence that has followed his comments, with some exceptions. Is this Christian brotherhood at work? Is this another way that the system of Christian memes operate? Circle up the wagons, don't criticize another Christian - except for those that engage in a violent act, then we will declare them 'not a Christian'?

Several of you have already demonstrated a bit of logically trickery which would prevent you from seeing any connection there might be between Christian beliefs and violent actions - relabeling the violent actors as not-Christians. Now I wonder if a particular kind of loyalty is preventing some of you from seeing the implication of Thomas' words. He is not the only Christian who feels this way!

A few people on here are seeking to spread ideas related to religion and the promotion of violence - and rather than look at how these ideas can be used to help us all bring about a more peaceful world, several religionists are arguing against the ideas.

And then wonderful Thomas gives us evidence of the merit of some of these ideas. Thank you Thomas.

It isnt new at all,,,

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, HATE evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.


The stress on hate, I believe, is to make sure it is not a passing and easily shaken disapproval but a steadfast and deep one.

How would you know your Christian friends to not believe as Thomas does? - do thier actions show your assumption to be true? Have you witnessed their ACTIVE supported of Gay marriage or the elimination of "don't ask, don't tell" or revokation of DOMA - how about ENDA? You do know what all those things are, right? I will be happy to explain but I am assuming you are familiar with all these things - as they are "harming" millions of people.

We are to love one another. If someone steals your shoes you are to give him your socks and so on. Forgive people of there trespasses. You will be forgiven your tespasses as you forgive others, it's in the lords prayer. And Gay marraiges are an abomination to God. It was adam and eve, not adam and steve. Being homosexual is against the bible. Man was made for woman and woman was made for man.

Several posters have made the distinction between 'religion' and 'individual'. In other words these people seem to be saying that their beliefs were formed on a uniquely individual construct.

Then I must ask - what unites ALL Christians under that label? If no two people hold exactly the same beliefs, what purpose is there in sharing the Bible or any scripture with anyone?

If you give list a passage and then feel the need to explaine it, then obviously others are not seeing it the same way you are.

So what is that force that provided so much unity that all Christians feel the label fits them. What exactly is or are the belief(s) that ALL Christians have in common?

That souldn't be a difficult question because the unifying elements cannot even be close to the elements of disparity cascading from the many millions of uniquely individualistic beliefs.

As it turns out, it seems that some people here attribute the extremism that extends from religions, to individual interpretation of information.

Would you like to share how you have uniquely determined that gay marriage is an abomination to God or that homosexuality is against the Bible?

It might be interesting to see by what means you have come to your conclusion and to see if others interpret the informaion you provide in the same way as you have.

Thanks Cowboy

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Eating shell fish is also an abomination... a disobedient child shall be taken to their fathers house and killed...being uncircumcised is a terrible thing to...
Using scripture to condemn gay's is strait up silly as hell. If we are to continue to use this as the argument, then we also need to
preach repentance to all those out there having shrimp with their Christmas dinner!

i believe the two verses that i previousely posted is enough to open people's eyes to the imorality of homosexuality.

I am sure that it did no such thing except show the abomination of Christianity.

Christianity is the problem not homosexuality.

Homosexuality has been around longer than Christianity. It a part of nature that harms noone.

If adults love each other, it is noone elses business, period. As long as their is age of consent and mental capacity.

there is nothing christianity has that is an abomination. Christianity is just a lame'ns term for how we are to live our life to reach ever lasting life.

Some people's uninformed opinion here of course.

They have the right to it.

But that doesn't make it right.

"I am sure that it did no such thing except show the abomination of Christianity.

Christianity is the problem not homosexuality.

Homosexuality has been around longer than Christianity. It a part of nature that harms noone.

If adults love each other, it is noone elses business, period. As long as their is age of consent and mental capacity.
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no disrespect but you don't know what you are talking about. Christianity has nothing to do with Leviticus, it's from the Torah, the jew's book. Christians is a term coined to point out the jews that followed the doctrine of Jesus. His gospel was hijacked, changed, and made into a religion. It is hypocritical that many christians denounce the Old testament when Jesus said to follow his FATHER aka God..not himself, laws which included laws set forth by Abraham.

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no disrespect but you don't know what you are talking about. Christianity has nothing to do with Leviticus, it's from the Torah, the jew's book. Christians is a term coined to point out the jews that followed the doctrine of Jesus. His gospel was hijacked, changed, and made into a religion. It is hypocritical that many christians denounce the Old testament when Jesus said to follow his FATHER aka God..not himself, laws which included laws set forth by Abraham.
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i quoted those verses right out of my bible out of the book of Leviticus. Jesus came to change things as in how we seek forgiveness. Before Jesus people sacrificed animals and such to recieve forgiveness, but Jesus came and was the ultimate sacrifice. Jesus was God in a sence, God works through people. God doesn't just show his face and tell us what to do or not to do, he gives that to people to preach to us. God still does that today, and is why there are people that speak in tongue.

Thousands marched in the street here, protesting the new voter ballot initiative that would legalize the consumption of shellfish. Fortunately, most of our great God-fearing country recognizes proper culinary values, and does not legally recognize the union of any shellfish with any stomeache. Think of the children!

I know that my christian friends and relatives will not condone causing anyone physical harm. They will stand up for things they think are right or wrong, however it may hurt the feelings of others, but they will do it with respectful hearts. Not actively supporting a lifestyle I dont agree with is not directly harming anyone , neither is defending the traditional marriage I believe in. As far as ENDA, I would imagine most my friends and family would support non discrimination in employment. I support dont ask dont tell, because I dont believe people sex lives should be on display on any job and therefore not appropriate to share, especially in a situation where people are forced to live in close quarters with others.

Leviticus 11:7 – “you shall not eat the swine; it is unclean to you’
Leviticus 19:27 – “You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard”
Leviticus 19:19 – “There shall not come upon you a garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff.”
19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

MY CHALLENGE TO ALL CHRISTIANS POSTING HERE:
Why do Christians choose only certain passages to conform with and not others?

Quite seriously:
take a piece of paper – draw a line down the middle and label one side (things we still do) and the other side (things we disregard).

Then, read ALL of Leviticus and mark every single chapter & verse on one of the page or the other. Then get back to me with how many are on the “things we still do” side and explain what makes them different from the “things we disregard”.

And I believe that poeple who think for themseves will recognize that moralty evolves with changes in cultures and attitude.

I would not venture to guess how many Men or Women have divorced and then married an In-law. But they are not barred from equality under any law, man-made or that of God (as written in Leviticus, they are unclean and deserve to die).

What about the people who choose only to follow those "laws" which suit thier purpose? Does it not seem an abomination to claim that every word in the Bible is a literal truth and then rationalize why some are no longer interpreted literally?????

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no disrespect but you don't know what you are talking about. Christianity has nothing to do with Leviticus, it's from the Torah, the jew's book. Christians is a term coined to point out the jews that followed the doctrine of Jesus. His gospel was hijacked, changed, and made into a religion. It is hypocritical that many christians denounce the Old testament when Jesus said to follow his FATHER aka God..not himself, laws which included laws set forth by Abraham.


Are you saying that you follow the Old Covenant as the literal word of God?