Topic: Most in US want public health option
Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 08:59 PM
They come from here,

http://www.smallbusinessnotes.com/fedgovernment/sba/13cfr121/201.html

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:05 PM
Edited by AndrewAV on Sun 12/06/09 09:05 PM

Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


between one and six. more if it's some minimum wage gig for all the employees.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:06 PM

Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


OK, let me ask it this way.
Joe the Plumber. remember him?
He falls in this category. At least according to him and the McCain campaign.
How many employees do you think he would employ?

Come on now just guess. There really isn't a wrong answer.
Esp, since Joe, as Sarah called him, was a con artist as well as probably a Republican plant.

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Sun 12/06/09 09:08 PM


There are over 100,000 small busineses that employ between 100 and 499 employees in the US.


Negative!
The numbers I presented are a Fed requirement for reporting as a small business.


http://www.sba.gov/advo/research/us_06ss.pdf


Dragoness's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:12 PM


Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


OK, let me ask it this way.
Joe the Plumber. remember him?
He falls in this category. At least according to him and the McCain campaign.
How many employees do you think he would employ?

Come on now just guess. There really isn't a wrong answer.
Esp, since Joe, as Sarah called him, was a con artist as well as probably a Republican plant.


Ole, did not make sense and lied too much, Joe wasn't for real, tell it it isn't so...lol

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:17 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 12/06/09 09:19 PM


Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


between one and six. more if it's some minimum wage gig for all the employees.


Cool!
I'd say that too.
I used to have 12-15 myself.


Now, I used to make my employees fill out a 1099. That way I'd save the paper work and the tax matching required by the Fed. Anyone employing less than 4 doesn't even have to provide workers comp.
The employees enjoyed getting payed in cash.

You know what a 1099 is don't you?

Any way, next question.

Under the Obama Admin this imaginary employer, Joe, can expect a tax increase if he files as an individual. Obama promised. Remember?

Under past Admin, Joe could expect to pay less taxes by filing as an individual.

Was he not in effect cheating the system and his employees?
In many ways?

Why wouldn't this employer *****?
In fact, with a lot of focus on employers like Joe, couldnt he ***** enough to seem ike a majority?





Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:22 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sun 12/06/09 09:26 PM
OH yeah,
My employees.
Most all of them didn't even bother to file taxes. That way they didn't realize I had effectively, and legally shifted my matching employees tax burden over to them, and the IRS never checked them because their tax contributions to the whole were insignificant to them.
The IRS was too busy checking people who made a lot more.

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:23 PM



Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


between one and six. more if it's some minimum wage gig for all the employees.


Cool!
I'd say that too.
I used to have 12-15 myself.


Now, I used to make my employees fill out a 1099. That way I'd save the paper work and the tax matching required by the Fed. Anyone employing less than 4 doesn't even have to provide workers comp.
They enjoyed getting payed in cash.

You know what a 1099 is don't you?

Any way, next question.

Under the Obama Admin this imaginary employer, Joe, can expect a tax increase if he files as an individual. Obama promised. Remember?

Under past Admin, Joe could expect to pay less taxes by filing as an individual.

Was he not in effect cheating the system and his employees?
In many ways?

Why wouldn't this employer *****?
In fact, with a lot of focus on employers like Joe, couldnt he ***** enough to seem ike a majority?







I was an accounting major, remember lol. Yes, I know what a 1099 is. I'll be getting a couple this year for photography work i did before i disolved the business. I'm totally aware of the repurcussions, like paying your own SS and Medicare taxes (for both parties so it actually doubles). The 1099 benefits the company every time, but it was really designed for contracted work, not full-time employees. either way, it's not cheating the system, but it does hurt the employees.

and truthfully, If I worked for a company that 1099'd me, but made, say, $35,000 and worked for nobody else, I'm legally an employee of that company and they have to pay their share of medicare and the like as if they paid me normally. This was designed to keep people from doing just that above.

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Sun 12/06/09 09:28 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Sun 12/06/09 09:31 PM



There are over 100,000 small busineses that employ between 100 and 499 employees in the US.


Negative!
The numbers I presented are a Fed requirement for reporting as a small business.




http://www.sba.gov/advo/research/us_06ss.pdf


100 - 149 employees 40,325
150 - 199 employees 18,992
200 - 299 employees 18,058
300 - 399 enployees 8,328
400 - 499 employees 4,857

Source: U.S. Small Business Administration, Office of Advocacy, based on data provided by the
U.S. Census Bureau, Statistics of U.S. Businesses.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:29 PM




Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


between one and six. more if it's some minimum wage gig for all the employees.


Cool!
I'd say that too.
I used to have 12-15 myself.


Now, I used to make my employees fill out a 1099. That way I'd save the paper work and the tax matching required by the Fed. Anyone employing less than 4 doesn't even have to provide workers comp.
They enjoyed getting payed in cash.

You know what a 1099 is don't you?

Any way, next question.

Under the Obama Admin this imaginary employer, Joe, can expect a tax increase if he files as an individual. Obama promised. Remember?

Under past Admin, Joe could expect to pay less taxes by filing as an individual.

Was he not in effect cheating the system and his employees?
In many ways?

Why wouldn't this employer *****?
In fact, with a lot of focus on employers like Joe, couldnt he ***** enough to seem ike a majority?







I was an accounting major, remember lol. Yes, I know what a 1099 is. I'll be getting a couple this year for photography work i did before i disolved the business. I'm totally aware of the repurcussions, like paying your own SS and Medicare taxes (for both parties so it actually doubles). The 1099 benefits the company every time, but it was really designed for contracted work, not full-time employees. either way, it's not cheating the system, but it does hurt the employees.

and truthfully, If I worked for a company that 1099'd me, but made, say, $35,000 and worked for nobody else, I'm legally an employee of that company and they have to pay their share of medicare and the like as if they paid me normally. This was designed to keep people from doing just that above.


Yep!
And I'll admitt.
I was not a model employer. I didn't care. I was in it for my own benefit.
There are thousands out there just like I was.

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Sun 12/06/09 09:36 PM


What another crook in the democratic party? I would never expect that, i mean they prolonged slavery, Founded the KKK, kill babies by the millions, godless heathens, and one of them turned out to be a crook? Go figure???


They were not democrats anyway, read your history. Heres a start for ya.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

How do they kill babies? Not even accurate.

They are religious too just like the right wingers so that is not accurate either.

Crooks come in every shape and form, there is no certain type to make a prejudgement of a criminal.


Lol...... you need to read your history and wikipedia is a known source of errors. But i dont do research for others! But i will give you some well known facts, well maybe not well known for uneducated people! Abraham lincoln and the abolishinist movement was a republican platform that the democrats opposed and it started a civil war! Democrats after seperating from the union lost the war and soon after started the KKK. There is much eveidence of this look it up! Direct ties can be established if you have any shred of honesty and many democrats today dont deny it they just say the party has changed "bulcrap"! Senator Byrd is a great example of the old democrat party! I call them baby killers because they are the party to support abortion so yes not a direct tie to any paticular one democrat but they support it! How can democrats be religous and vote for abortion, you can't it's hypocrisy and thats why the catholic church told John Kerry to get lost! Yes almost all of them are crooks even the republicans but i think much more in the democrat party. In my opinion there are two democrats, the ignorant one "sheep" and the dishonest one "leader"! How else can you be a walking contradiction?

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:45 PM





Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


between one and six. more if it's some minimum wage gig for all the employees.


Cool!
I'd say that too.
I used to have 12-15 myself.


Now, I used to make my employees fill out a 1099. That way I'd save the paper work and the tax matching required by the Fed. Anyone employing less than 4 doesn't even have to provide workers comp.
They enjoyed getting payed in cash.

You know what a 1099 is don't you?

Any way, next question.

Under the Obama Admin this imaginary employer, Joe, can expect a tax increase if he files as an individual. Obama promised. Remember?

Under past Admin, Joe could expect to pay less taxes by filing as an individual.

Was he not in effect cheating the system and his employees?
In many ways?

Why wouldn't this employer *****?
In fact, with a lot of focus on employers like Joe, couldnt he ***** enough to seem ike a majority?







I was an accounting major, remember lol. Yes, I know what a 1099 is. I'll be getting a couple this year for photography work i did before i disolved the business. I'm totally aware of the repurcussions, like paying your own SS and Medicare taxes (for both parties so it actually doubles). The 1099 benefits the company every time, but it was really designed for contracted work, not full-time employees. either way, it's not cheating the system, but it does hurt the employees.

and truthfully, If I worked for a company that 1099'd me, but made, say, $35,000 and worked for nobody else, I'm legally an employee of that company and they have to pay their share of medicare and the like as if they paid me normally. This was designed to keep people from doing just that above.


Yep!
And I'll admitt.
I was not a model employer. I didn't care. I was in it for my own benefit.
There are thousands out there just like I was.


Truthfully, there's nothing wrong with it provided everyone acts accordingly. But like you said, many of them never did their taxes and verifying people have paid SS and medicare is difficult for the feds to do.

believe me, our tax code could use some simplification, like starting with just taking the SS and medicare and the like from the federal income tax as opposed to doing it separately. It will cut down on people dodging it too.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:49 PM



What another crook in the democratic party? I would never expect that, i mean they prolonged slavery, Founded the KKK, kill babies by the millions, godless heathens, and one of them turned out to be a crook? Go figure???


They were not democrats anyway, read your history. Heres a start for ya.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

How do they kill babies? Not even accurate.

They are religious too just like the right wingers so that is not accurate either.

Crooks come in every shape and form, there is no certain type to make a prejudgement of a criminal.


Lol...... you need to read your history and wikipedia is a known source of errors. But i dont do research for others! But i will give you some well known facts, well maybe not well known for uneducated people! Abraham lincoln and the abolishinist movement was a republican platform that the democrats opposed and it started a civil war! Democrats after seperating from the union lost the war and soon after started the KKK. There is much eveidence of this look it up! Direct ties can be established if you have any shred of honesty and many democrats today dont deny it they just say the party has changed "bulcrap"! Senator Byrd is a great example of the old democrat party! I call them baby killers because they are the party to support abortion so yes not a direct tie to any paticular one democrat but they support it! How can democrats be religous and vote for abortion, you can't it's hypocrisy and thats why the catholic church told John Kerry to get lost! Yes almost all of them are crooks even the republicans but i think much more in the democrat party. In my opinion there are two democrats, the ignorant one "sheep" and the dishonest one "leader"! How else can you be a walking contradiction?


Off topic and you are wrong. Dems did not start the KKK, I will only tell you this one more time.

Sorry folks for the off topic.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:51 PM






Let's pretend a company. A small business we will name company X reports earnings of 300k.
How many employees do you think they would have?


between one and six. more if it's some minimum wage gig for all the employees.


Cool!
I'd say that too.
I used to have 12-15 myself.


Now, I used to make my employees fill out a 1099. That way I'd save the paper work and the tax matching required by the Fed. Anyone employing less than 4 doesn't even have to provide workers comp.
They enjoyed getting payed in cash.

You know what a 1099 is don't you?

Any way, next question.

Under the Obama Admin this imaginary employer, Joe, can expect a tax increase if he files as an individual. Obama promised. Remember?

Under past Admin, Joe could expect to pay less taxes by filing as an individual.

Was he not in effect cheating the system and his employees?
In many ways?

Why wouldn't this employer *****?
In fact, with a lot of focus on employers like Joe, couldnt he ***** enough to seem ike a majority?







I was an accounting major, remember lol. Yes, I know what a 1099 is. I'll be getting a couple this year for photography work i did before i disolved the business. I'm totally aware of the repurcussions, like paying your own SS and Medicare taxes (for both parties so it actually doubles). The 1099 benefits the company every time, but it was really designed for contracted work, not full-time employees. either way, it's not cheating the system, but it does hurt the employees.

and truthfully, If I worked for a company that 1099'd me, but made, say, $35,000 and worked for nobody else, I'm legally an employee of that company and they have to pay their share of medicare and the like as if they paid me normally. This was designed to keep people from doing just that above.


Yep!
And I'll admitt.
I was not a model employer. I didn't care. I was in it for my own benefit.
There are thousands out there just like I was.


Truthfully, there's nothing wrong with it provided everyone acts accordingly. But like you said, many of them never did their taxes and verifying people have paid SS and medicare is difficult for the feds to do.

believe me, our tax code could use some simplification, like starting with just taking the SS and medicare and the like from the federal income tax as opposed to doing it separately. It will cut down on people dodging it too.


Yes.
There are a lot of loop holes open to someone if he intends to cheat the system.
But, I knowingly cheated my employees and didn't care.
I used to be a cold-hearted person. I relished in being called that.
It was like a badge to me.
That was before Karma and a near death experience that was completely out of my control.
I was diagnosed with lung cancer.
Things like that change a person. They make them look at things a little different.

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Sun 12/06/09 09:56 PM
Fine i will be on topic and find some facts for you since your in denial of your democrat party sins and post a new topic! Get ready to be shreded because you are flatly wrong! And you can tell me that confederate soldiers that where democrats started it and wash your hands of it right....lol! But ahhh there is so much more then founding the KKK!

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:57 PM
Cold-hearted, cold-blooded.
I was an *******. Very hard.
I accepted no excuses and gave no quarter.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 09:58 PM

Fine i will be on topic and find some facts for you since your in denial of your democrat party sins and post a new topic! Get ready to be shreded because you are flatly wrong! And you can tell me that confederate soldiers that where democrats started it and wash your hands of it right....lol! But ahhh there is so much more then founding the KKK!


ME?

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Sun 12/06/09 09:59 PM


Fine i will be on topic and find some facts for you since your in denial of your democrat party sins and post a new topic! Get ready to be shreded because you are flatly wrong! And you can tell me that confederate soldiers that where democrats started it and wash your hands of it right....lol! But ahhh there is so much more then founding the KKK!


ME?


No. He's referring to Dragoness.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 10:02 PM



Fine i will be on topic and find some facts for you since your in denial of your democrat party sins and post a new topic! Get ready to be shreded because you are flatly wrong! And you can tell me that confederate soldiers that where democrats started it and wash your hands of it right....lol! But ahhh there is so much more then founding the KKK!


ME?


No. He's referring to Dragoness.


:thumbsup:

Maybe he'll start a new thread. I'll get in on that debate.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 12/06/09 10:06 PM
I have to go y'all!

Work tomorrow.

Peace out.drinker