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The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.
1 France 2 Italy 3 San Marino 4 Andorra 5 Malta 6 Singapore 7 Spain 8 Oman 9 Austria 10 Japan 11 Norway 12 Portugal 13 Monaco 14 Greece 15 Iceland 16 Luxembourg 17 Netherlands 18 United Kingdom 19 Ireland 20 Switzerland 21 Belgium 22 Colombia 23 Sweden 24 Cyprus 25 Germany 26 Saudi Arabia 27 United Arab Emirates 28 Israel 29 Morocco 30 Canada 31 Finland 32 Australia 33 Chile 34 Denmark 35 Dominica 36 Costa Rica 37 United States of America 38 Slovenia 39 Cuba 40 Brunei 41 New Zealand 42 Bahrain 43 Croatia 44 Qatar 45 Kuwait 46 Barbados 47 Thailand 48 Czech Republic 49 Malaysia 50 Poland Not only is our healthcare the most expensive but we recieve less than great care. Not much value for our dollar. How could the government do much worse? |
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Edited by
Bestinshow
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Sat 12/05/09 08:34 AM
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America has the world’s most expensive health care in the world. In the United States, more money is spent per person on health care than in other countries around the world. Turkey spends around $46.00 per person per year, Japan spends around $2,000.00 per person per year, Switzerland spends around $3,500.00 per person per year and America spends $5,300.00 per person per year. In 2004, government figures showed that health care spending was at 1.9 trillion dollars, which is equal to 16% of the US gross domestic product. http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/expensive151.html That and a dollar will get you a value meal. What makes you think the government can do a better job. Everything they touch ends up costing more than what they 'fixed'. 2004 was a long time ago in the public cycle... If your household was in debt at the rate of the federal government could you build on an extension of your house... Nope... No one would lend you the money... Broke is broke... Broke is not well here let me get some lint out of my pocket and it will all be payed. 
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Edited by
Bestinshow
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Sat 12/05/09 08:43 AM
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Sorry, Government, when reporting numbers, has lost all credibility. They were caught lying about the number of jobs created or saved. Seems they can publish exactly what they choose and call it the truth. Attacking my truth won't make the posted topic true. sort of like how Fox fabricates numbers and make up stories??? Anyone that takes just one network's word for it is fooliing themselves. The sad thing is I have seen these numbers are on many sites that are middle of the road. This Gov. ran on a platform of change and transparency which neither has been done. We are farther in debt, country is more divided and just as much or more cover ups are happening as before. So where is the change where is the transparency? the object to your post is that it is indeed your opinion- and the truth will not make your voice any louder! Talk to the American's that were able to keep their employment. Well by your words here I am one of "those americans" that will be keeping their job, no danger of loosing it since I work in Mental health and one thing about this party they do love socialism. My job falls into that category. I am appalled by the healthcare bill, does this country need to fix health care yes we do. This isn't the way though, public option you bet I support it. I don't want the Gov.'s idea of health care. I live to close to Canada and I see what their health care is about. They have higher taxes, and pay about 8% of their gross paycheck to maintain good healthcare. The People backing this healthcare bill I always ask have you read it. The answer seems to be No but I trust the Gov and we need it anyway. Sure we do, are we sure we need this one. For explanations, please refer to notes below the table, and to the latest version of the World Health Statistics publication available at Marshall Islands 22 19.1 18.4 16.3 13.2 15.4 2 United States of America 13.2 13.9 14.7 15.1 15.2 15.2 3 Niue 8 38.1 11.1 12.5 15.5 14.5 4 Timor-Leste 8.8 8.6 8.5 9.2 10.3 13.7 5 Micronesia (Fed. States of) 9 9.8 9.1 10.7 11.7 13.5 6 Kiribati 11.6 12.3 12.6 13.7 13.7 12.7 7 Maldives 6.8 6.8 6.6 7.2 7.8 12.4 8 Malawi 6.1 7.8 10 12.8 12.8 12.2 9 Switzerland 10.3 10.7 11 11.4 11.4 11.4 10 France 9.6 9.7 10 10.9 11 11.2 11 Germany 10.3 10.4 10.6 10.8 10.6 10.7 12 Jordan 9.4 9.6 9.3 9.3 10.1 10.5 13 Nauru 11 10.8 10.6 10.3 10.4 10.3 14 Argentina 8.9 9.5 8.9 8.3 9.6 10.2 15 Austria 10 10 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.2 16 Portugal 8.8 8.8 9 9.7 10 10.2 17 Greece 9.3 9.8 9.7 10 9.6 10.1 18 Canada 8.8 9.3 9.6 9.8 9.8 9.8 19 Sao Tome and Principe 6.3 9.1 8.6 11.9 12.1 9.8 20 Belgium 9.1 9.3 9.5 9.5 9.7 9.6 21 Palau 9.7 9.1 10.1 11.5 9.7 9.6 22 Denmark 8.3 8.6 8.8 9.3 9.4 9.4 23 Iceland 9.3 9.2 9.9 10.2 9.9 9.4 24 Netherlands 8 8.3 8.9 8.9 9 9.2 25 Sweden 8.2 8.6 9 9.1 9.2 9.2 26 Norway 8.4 8.8 9.8 10 9.7 9.1 27 Italy 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.3 8.7 8.9 28 New Zealand 8.1 8.3 8.5 8.4 8.5 8.9 29 Australia 8.3 8.4 8.6 8.6 8.8 8.8 30 Bosnia and Herzegovina 7 6.9 7.7 8.1 8.6 8.8 31 Tuvalu 13.4 10.5 9.4 11.1 9.2 8.8 32 Lebanon 11 10.7 9.4 8.9 8.8 8.7 33 South Africa 8.1 8.4 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.7 34 Georgia 7.4 7.8 8.7 8.5 8.5 8.6 35 Slovenia 8.4 8.7 8.8 8.8 8.5 8.5 36 Malta 6.8 7.2 7.8 8.1 8.2 8.4 37 Botswana 4.8 4.2 5.7 6.4 7.7 8.3 38 Ireland 6.3 6.9 7.1 7.3 7.5 8.2 39 Japan 7.6 7.9 8 8.1 8 8.2 40 Spain 7.2 7.2 7.3 7.8 8.1 8.2 41 United Kingdom 7.2 7.5 7.6 7.7 8 8.2 42 Uruguay 10.5 10.8 10.3 9.8 8.2 8.1 43 Zimbabwe 8.3 6.4 5.8 7.2 8.4 8.1 44 Montenegro 7.5 8 7.9 8.2 8 8 45 Serbia 7.1 7.3 8.3 8.3 8 8 46 Brazil 7.2 7.6 7.7 7.5 7.7 7.9 47 Nicaragua 7.2 7.7 8 8 7.9 7.9 48 Hungary 6.9 7.2 7.6 8.3 8.1 7.8 49 Iran (Islamic Republic of) 5.9 6.1 6.1 6.2 6.2 7.8 50 Israel 8 8http://www.who.int/whosis/. As you can see by this chart Canada spends far less on healthcare than america. By all available evidence americans would be better served by a Canadian type healthcare system. One can only go by the data that is available. So here we have it eh? americans prefer a public option based on several opinion polls that are not slanted and if they are prove it. Costs and results are provided by WHO that prove we are getting a poor value for our money yet many insist we have the best healthcare in the world. Personaly I blame Fox news for people being misinformed. 
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except that we are not like any one of those nations. yeah, we're close to canada, but we still live different lifestyles and have far different structure. We develop far more technologies and medications. We perform far more complex procedures and develop far more new procedures.
Apples and oranges. Other nations cannot be used to prove it will work or that it won't work. All comparisons must be "all else equal" to be valid... that will never happen in this case. Also, check out who is #1 on the quality of care. us. if you take distribution out, we're the best in the world. That's just fine with me. Also, gallup is still showing 49% against, 44% for. so... how can most want the public option if the majority doesn't even want the bill? Lastly, you flag the government as so great citing the military, social security, and the military... Do you realize that the military goes over budget every year, Social Security has not had any liquiid capital for many years (basically bankrupt with a lot of assets), and the post office hasn't been in the black this century. Sounds like they're great at this whole money thing. |
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except that we are not like any one of those nations. yeah, we're close to canada, but we still live different lifestyles and have far different structure. We develop far more technologies and medications. We perform far more complex procedures and develop far more new procedures. Apples and oranges. Other nations cannot be used to prove it will work or that it won't work. All comparisons must be "all else equal" to be valid... that will never happen in this case. Also, check out who is #1 on the quality of care. us. if you take distribution out, we're the best in the world. That's just fine with me. Also, gallup is still showing 49% against, 44% for. so... how can most want the public option if the majority doesn't even want the bill? Lastly, you flag the government as so great citing the military, social security, and the military... Do you realize that the military goes over budget every year, Social Security has not had any liquiid capital for many years (basically bankrupt with a lot of assets), and the post office hasn't been in the black this century. Sounds like they're great at this whole money thing. |
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The Social Security Program in the US is the only program that consistently shows a profit year after year.
It is not protected though and is used as a fund to support many other programs within the National Budget. The idea that it is broke is a con. They just need to pay the money back that they drew out of it. Why can't we compare our Health Care to other Nations? We all have Drs. and patients. The only real difference is they have Socialized Health Care and we have politicians with their hands in the Insurance Companies pockets. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sat 12/05/09 10:41 AM
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except that we are not like any one of those nations. yeah, we're close to canada, but we still live different lifestyles and have far different structure. We develop far more technologies and medications. We perform far more complex procedures and develop far more new procedures. Apples and oranges. Other nations cannot be used to prove it will work or that it won't work. All comparisons must be "all else equal" to be valid... that will never happen in this case. Also, check out who is #1 on the quality of care. us. if you take distribution out, we're the best in the world. That's just fine with me. Also, gallup is still showing 49% against, 44% for. so... how can most want the public option if the majority doesn't even want the bill? Lastly, you flag the government as so great citing the military, social security, and the military... Do you realize that the military goes over budget every year, Social Security has not had any liquiid capital for many years (basically bankrupt with a lot of assets), and the post office hasn't been in the black this century. Sounds like they're great at this whole money thing. Cuz, the only ones they polled was Democrats. The rest of us just get the shaft.  Thank you satan=Yes we can
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except that we are not like any one of those nations. yeah, we're close to canada, but we still live different lifestyles and have far different structure. We develop far more technologies and medications. We perform far more complex procedures and develop far more new procedures. Apples and oranges. Other nations cannot be used to prove it will work or that it won't work. All comparisons must be "all else equal" to be valid... that will never happen in this case. Also, check out who is #1 on the quality of care. us. if you take distribution out, we're the best in the world. That's just fine with me. Also, gallup is still showing 49% against, 44% for. so... how can most want the public option if the majority doesn't even want the bill? Lastly, you flag the government as so great citing the military, social security, and the military... Do you realize that the military goes over budget every year, Social Security has not had any liquiid capital for many years (basically bankrupt with a lot of assets), and the post office hasn't been in the black this century. Sounds like they're great at this whole money thing. Cuz, the only ones they polled was Democrats. The rest of us just get the shaft. Thank you satan=Yes we can yeahhhhhhhhhh Obama is a Longhorn fan |
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except that we are not like any one of those nations. yeah, we're close to canada, but we still live different lifestyles and have far different structure. We develop far more technologies and medications. We perform far more complex procedures and develop far more new procedures. Apples and oranges. Other nations cannot be used to prove it will work or that it won't work. All comparisons must be "all else equal" to be valid... that will never happen in this case. Also, check out who is #1 on the quality of care. us. if you take distribution out, we're the best in the world. That's just fine with me. Also, gallup is still showing 49% against, 44% for. so... how can most want the public option if the majority doesn't even want the bill? Lastly, you flag the government as so great citing the military, social security, and the military... Do you realize that the military goes over budget every year, Social Security has not had any liquiid capital for many years (basically bankrupt with a lot of assets), and the post office hasn't been in the black this century. Sounds like they're great at this whole money thing. Cuz, the only ones they polled was Democrats. The rest of us just get the shaft. Thank you satan=Yes we can yeahhhhhhhhhh Obama is a Longhorn fan Too bad it ain't the same Longhorns from Texas. 
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Why do you always resort to insulting The President of the US?
Is he the first person to ever suggest upgrading America's Health-Care plan? I think, it seems evident, that you are more concerned with insulting Obama than debating the issues. Instead of enticing on every thread, why don't you just come out and say what it is about the man that bothers you so much? |
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except that we are not like any one of those nations. yeah, we're close to canada, but we still live different lifestyles and have far different structure. We develop far more technologies and medications. We perform far more complex procedures and develop far more new procedures. Apples and oranges. Other nations cannot be used to prove it will work or that it won't work. All comparisons must be "all else equal" to be valid... that will never happen in this case. Also, check out who is #1 on the quality of care. us. if you take distribution out, we're the best in the world. That's just fine with me. Also, gallup is still showing 49% against, 44% for. so... how can most want the public option if the majority doesn't even want the bill? Lastly, you flag the government as so great citing the military, social security, and the military... Do you realize that the military goes over budget every year, Social Security has not had any liquiid capital for many years (basically bankrupt with a lot of assets), and the post office hasn't been in the black this century. Sounds like they're great at this whole money thing. Swing and a miss... If you can't comprehend what I posted, it's not my fault. We have the highest level of healthcare in the world. Just because the distribution isn't as good does not mean that I can't receive the highest quality of care here. Social security never turns a profit. What you have is a whole lot of IOUs and no cash. I know you haven't the slightest clue about finance so I'm not going to explain how this works again. |
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/27640.html
The thought the poll you pasted was accurate is laughable! Jeez! |
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Why do you always resort to insulting The President of the US? Is he the first person to ever suggest upgrading America's Health-Care plan? I think, it seems evident, that you are more concerned with insulting Obama than debating the issues. Instead of enticing on every thread, why don't you just come out and say what it is about the man that bothers you so much? Cuz, he's as easy, if not easier, than bush was. Your ASSumtions are noted. Here it is. He is unqualified, a media ho, commie a$$ kisser, Saudi a$$ kisser, he dissed America, his bulldog-lookin' wife was dissin' America,(until they muzzled her). He's a liar. Most all of his czars are of the criminal element. This healthcare BS is about as reasonable as the cash for clunkers fiasco wound up being. Japan won that one. Hussein is running this country into the ground, just like his puppeteers told him to. That's just a few things. Shal I continue if I think of more? |
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The Social Security Program in the US is the only program that consistently shows a profit year after year. It is not protected though and is used as a fund to support many other programs within the National Budget. The idea that it is broke is a con. They just need to pay the money back that they drew out of it. Why can't we compare our Health Care to other Nations? We all have Drs. and patients. The only real difference is they have Socialized Health Care and we have politicians with their hands in the Insurance Companies pockets. The money cannot be paid back so long as we are running a deficit. This is why ss and medicare are essentially bankrupt. There are IOUs and an annual budget, but since we are borrowing hand over fist, "repayment" would just have to be done with borrowed or printed money. That is the problem. As for healthcasr, take this for example: You have high cholesterol and just survived a heart attack. What is the #1 thing the doctor tells you to do? Change your lifestyle. Run, walk, bike, lay off the fast food, be healthy. Sure, meds can help but major lifestyle changes will make the largest difference. Right now, we have the highest obesity rate in the world. We live increasingly sedintary lifestyles full of junk and fast food. There is nowhere in the world that has the access to cars and fast food that we do. I mean, most of europe doesn't even have a car. They walk everywhere and can do so due to the organization and structure of their society. I can understand the comparison you are trying to make, but healthcare is ultimately rooted in the health of the society. If you start high on health, it's not as hard or expensive to maintain that level. When you have higher need, there exists higher demand and higher costs like here in the US. |
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Why do you always resort to insulting The President of the US? Is he the first person to ever suggest upgrading America's Health-Care plan? I think, it seems evident, that you are more concerned with insulting Obama than debating the issues. Instead of enticing on every thread, why don't you just come out and say what it is about the man that bothers you so much? Cuz, he's as easy, if not easier, than bush was. Your ASSumtions are noted. Here it is. He is unqualified, a media ho, commie a$$ kisser, Saudi a$$ kisser, he dissed America, his bulldog-lookin' wife was dissin' America,(until they muzzled her). He's a liar. Most all of his czars are of the criminal element. This healthcare BS is about as reasonable as the cash for clunkers fiasco wound up being. Japan won that one. Hussein is running this country into the ground, just like his puppeteers told him to. That's just a few things. Shal I continue if I think of more? Yes! Please do. I think everyone deserves to see where your motivation in these threads lie. |
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Michele Obama isn't the President.
Besides, she's hot! |
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Michele Obama isn't the President. Besides, she's hot! Michelle Obama may be a lot of things but Hot is not one of them.....! She is far from Hot! |
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Michele Obama isn't the President. Besides, she's hot! Michelle Obama may be a lot of things but Hot is not one of them.....! She is far from Hot! Intelligent? |
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Edited by
ronny4dating
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Sat 12/05/09 12:05 PM
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The main problem with government heathcare is it's a "pie in the sky!" Sure if you poll people and ask "in a perfect world what is your opinion"???? But we don't live in a perfect world and never will! The second thing is people seem to forget that this is America a Republic, not a democracy and our founders knew government needed to be small. Power corupts and absolute power corupts absolutely! I would love for the idea of utopia democrats long for actually worked, but it doesn't so I stay a realist and stick to idea's that actually show results! It's not about right and wrong it's about reality! You can not trust government and you can not trust people to not abuse FREE! But you can never tell a theroist their idea's are wrong because it makes them feel good and that's what it's really about! It doesn't matter too much though because after the democrats fail miserably like they always do we will get some sane legislation again and it will pan out. I just hope this time they fail utterly obvious cause they are very good at shifting blame like the housing crash the democrats engineered!
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Michele Obama isn't the President. Besides, she's hot! Michelle Obama may be a lot of things but Hot is not one of them.....! She is far from Hot! Intelligent? Disbarred. Something about taxes?? 
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