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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. God can be the old, white bearded man in the clouds with a lap top keeping track of all our sins and zapping us with punishment...kinda like a cattle pod. God can be a warm fuzzy, God can be a feeling of love in your heart, God can be what your feeling when you do something you probably shouldn't have...like a conscious, God can be the motivator to help you make good decisions, God can be the feeling of peacefulness during and after meditation, God can be the feeling of oneness with nature while hiking the mountains... One thing we should all agree on regardless of our belief as to what "God" actually is....is that the way we treat people, respect others and show caring and tolerance is ultimately what's going to matter in the end. So all the bickering over God seems to be pointless. God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father. A wise man once said.."Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? The way to find peace is to let go of the need to always be right." I've found over time that there is a fair amount of truth in that statement. Peace 
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without quoting scripture or the bible, ++ I am serious>, ty ted Open your mind, your heart and your eyes and look around you. |
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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. God can be the old, white bearded man in the clouds with a lap top keeping track of all our sins and zapping us with punishment...kinda like a cattle pod. God can be a warm fuzzy, God can be a feeling of love in your heart, God can be what your feeling when you do something you probably shouldn't have...like a conscious, God can be the motivator to help you make good decisions, God can be the feeling of peacefulness during and after meditation, God can be the feeling of oneness with nature while hiking the mountains... One thing we should all agree on regardless of our belief as to what "God" actually is....is that the way we treat people, respect others and show caring and tolerance is ultimately what's going to matter in the end. So all the bickering over God seems to be pointless. God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father. A wise man once said.."Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? The way to find peace is to let go of the need to always be right." I've found over time that there is a fair amount of truth in that statement. Peace
Please don't quote me and add your thoughts into mine.....quoting me and adding on is fine, but to throw your thoughts into the middle of mine misleading and I don't appreciate it. This is what you added half way through my post.... "God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father." These are your thoughts and it was un-necessary to put them in the middle of mine. I strive to be accepting of your thoughts and beliefs...please don't do that to my posts again. Thank you. |
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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. God can be the old, white bearded man in the clouds with a lap top keeping track of all our sins and zapping us with punishment...kinda like a cattle pod. God can be a warm fuzzy, God can be a feeling of love in your heart, God can be what your feeling when you do something you probably shouldn't have...like a conscious, God can be the motivator to help you make good decisions, God can be the feeling of peacefulness during and after meditation, God can be the feeling of oneness with nature while hiking the mountains... One thing we should all agree on regardless of our belief as to what "God" actually is....is that the way we treat people, respect others and show caring and tolerance is ultimately what's going to matter in the end. So all the bickering over God seems to be pointless. God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father. A wise man once said.."Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? The way to find peace is to let go of the need to always be right." I've found over time that there is a fair amount of truth in that statement. Peace
Please don't quote me and add your thoughts into mine.....quoting me and adding on is fine, but to throw your thoughts into the middle of mine misleading and I don't appreciate it. This is what you added half way through my post.... "God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father." These are your thoughts and it was un-necessary to put them in the middle of mine. I strive to be accepting of your thoughts and beliefs...please don't do that to my posts again. Thank you. Before you make judgement. My cable internet and cable service blinked and cut connection. My post was not as intended. I am sorry for the wromg placement due to this situation beyond my control. My pc tried to recover and I exited. The post WAS NOT intended as it came about. |
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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. God can be the old, white bearded man in the clouds with a lap top keeping track of all our sins and zapping us with punishment...kinda like a cattle pod. God can be a warm fuzzy, God can be a feeling of love in your heart, God can be what your feeling when you do something you probably shouldn't have...like a conscious, God can be the motivator to help you make good decisions, God can be the feeling of peacefulness during and after meditation, God can be the feeling of oneness with nature while hiking the mountains... One thing we should all agree on regardless of our belief as to what "God" actually is....is that the way we treat people, respect others and show caring and tolerance is ultimately what's going to matter in the end. So all the bickering over God seems to be pointless. God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father. A wise man once said.."Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy? The way to find peace is to let go of the need to always be right." I've found over time that there is a fair amount of truth in that statement. Peace
Please don't quote me and add your thoughts into mine.....quoting me and adding on is fine, but to throw your thoughts into the middle of mine misleading and I don't appreciate it. This is what you added half way through my post.... "God is a father as any good father. Sometimes children don't understand due to lack of maturity and experience. God loves his children enough to correct them to his own suffering loss of the love he gives. He is a father simply a father." These are your thoughts and it was un-necessary to put them in the middle of mine. I strive to be accepting of your thoughts and beliefs...please don't do that to my posts again. Thank you. Before you make judgement. My cable internet and cable service blinked and cut connection. My post was not as intended. I am sorry for the wromg placement due to this situation beyond my control. My pc tried to recover and I exited. The post WAS NOT intended as it came about. Well, actually the information your giving me now is coming after the fact, so it is a mire observation I made...I'm not one to make judgments or assumptions. I'm sure you can understand how that looked to me. Fair enough, we all have computer glitches at times. |
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You have my complete understanding in the matter. I also feel I have yours of the situation. May you have a nice day kind lady. I am gone to work!
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You have my complete understanding in the matter. I also feel I have yours of the situation. May you have a nice day kind lady. I am gone to work!
No problem... I'm off to bed for a few hours as I stayed up all night with the moon, I'll rest to the sunrise. Have a great day 
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You have a bitterness toward me. I have none toward you even thou you attack me directly. Is the bitterness really toward me or is it of others who may deserve it you attack and I am the scape goat to pile thier sin against you upon. I have not attacked you even in this post my friend. Cyclops, in another thread you speculated on my emotional history (rather presumptuously) and here you claim to know Peccy's emotions. I didn't read bitterness in Peccy's words, I read impatience, while acknowledging it might have even been playfulness. I don't see him attacking you directly, I see him being sarcastic (bitingly so? playfully so?) towards your words. Some of the things you say seem downright silly - beyond silly - to me, and I'm sure to others. Its easy to misread people's tone online - I submit to you that you might be doing so. That said, I do respect your politeness and restraint for how you respond to the possibly-misunderstood comments. |
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Those that are his, are able to see his works coming to pass as he said. Those not his, will not see it for lack of knowing, for lack of belief. Those who believe have proof and those who don't will never have proof. Things told of old are coming to pass today....that is proof enough. Yes! I'm so glad that you agree with my post, and have accepted Zeus as your Lord. Praise Zeus! I AM WILLING TO WAIT AND SEE. I don't understand your post: by 'smart' do yo mean (a) 'smart ***', 'irreverent', 'sarcastic', or (b) 'articulate', 'using an educated persons diction' or (c) legitimately intelligent/insightful comments or (d) something else? In any case, I agree - the truth isn't owned by people who demonstrate any of the above....though the people who demonstrate (C) seem, in my experience, to often (not always) do better at recognizing non-truth. |
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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. I don't think that you can prove nor disprove anything that lies 'outside of' time and space, so in this sense I agree with you. But I do think that is vitally important for people to realize the basis for (and lack of basis for) their beliefs - as this realization is often tied to the quality of their thinking (critical thinking skills, self awareness/examination, objectivity, etc), and the quality of our collective thinking plays a huge role in the functioning of our society. As consumer and as voters we are constantly subject to manipulative influences, and the way we respond to those influences determines the kind of power the manipulators wield. This effects the kind of large scale decisions that get made. Wal-mart and McDonalds (as 'evil' as they may be...) have both made significant positive decisions, in years past, in response to customer criticism - if those customers weren't informed and critical, those decisions would not have been made. Whatever one's position is on the Iraq war, or the health care issue, etc - I hope most people agree that having a populace with good thinking skills - who are less inclined to be hoodwinked by manipulators - is healthy for our society. The basis for peoples belief (or disbelief) in God is one of the many places we can take a look at, and address, the foundational question of "how do you arrive at your beliefs?" |
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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. Why beat around the bush? Let's face the truth. The only people who are hell bent on proving "God" are followers of the Abrahamic Religions. And more to the point, they aren't merely interested in proving that God exists, but they are far more interested in proving that their arrogant and egotistical scriptures are the "WORD OF GOD!". Let's face it. These religions are all about arrogance and a jealous God who hates anyone who refuses to worship him and threatens to be extremely mean to anyone who refuses to worship him. Other than these extremely arrogant and "self-rigtheous" religions, why would their even be any need to "Prove" the existence of God to anyone? These religions don't represent anything holy. They are nothing but arrogance run amuck. Worship OUR God or go to HELL! 
How disgusting is that? 
The idea that you can view God however you like is considered to be utterly blaspheme from their arrogant point of view. Either worship their BOOK or you're a HEATHEN! In fact, more to the point, when you're speaking about particular sects of these Abrahamic Religions it's really more to the tune of; "Worship OUR INTERPRETATIONS of this BOOK, or you're a HEATHEN!" It's the epitome of arrogance. |
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Why would anyone feel the need to have "God" proven or dis-proven... not sure why it matters. What "God" is to one person, can be completely different to another. Why beat around the bush? Let's face the truth. The only people who are hell bent on proving "God" are followers of the Abrahamic Religions. And more to the point, they aren't merely interested in proving that God exists, but they are far more interested in proving that their arrogant and egotistical scriptures are the "WORD OF GOD!". Let's face it. These religions are all about arrogance and a jealous God who hates anyone who refuses to worship him and threatens to be extremely mean to anyone who refuses to worship him. Other than these extremely arrogant and "self-rigtheous" religions, why would their even be any need to "Prove" the existence of God to anyone? These religions don't represent anything holy. They are nothing but arrogance run amuck. Worship OUR God or go to HELL!
How disgusting is that?
The idea that you can view God however you like is considered to be utterly blaspheme from their arrogant point of view. Either worship their BOOK or you're a HEATHEN! In fact, more to the point, when you're speaking about particular sects of these Abrahamic Religions it's really more to the tune of; "Worship OUR INTERPRETATIONS of this BOOK, or you're a HEATHEN!" It's the epitome of arrogance. So you are telling me that if your child constantly stated to you and everyone else that you were not his/her dad, you wouldn't punish him/her in some way? And eventually kick him/her out of the house when it was legal? |
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there is a concept called unconditional love which most parents believe in,, however,,, there is a difference in the interpretation
some think it means support whatever your kids do and dont chastise or punish them others believe it strictly applies to feelings(as in I love my child no matter what) and that consequences and punishments are still necessary to help a child grow into an adult |
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there is a concept called unconditional love which most parents believe in,, however,,, there is a difference in the interpretation some think it means support whatever your kids do and dont chastise or punish them others believe it strictly applies to feelings(as in I love my child no matter what) and that consequences and punishments are still necessary to help a child grow into an adult punishment with most parents is a showing of love. They are molding the children to live in a good way as to not have problems later in life. |
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So you are telling me that if your child constantly stated to you and everyone else that you were not his/her dad, you wouldn't punish him/her in some way? And eventually kick him/her out of the house when it was legal? I can't say for certain, not having experienced this - but I like to think that I wouldn't kick him out of the house. Hell, s/he might even have good reason to question this, and determining the truth behind this might not be worth the cost/inconvenience of a DNA test. |
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The only people who are hell bent on proving "God" are followers of the Abrahamic Religions. Abra, I disagree. I've known non-religionists who are hell bent on proving the 'God' of their particular (often new-agey) worldview. I know this is unrelated to your statement, but there are also atheists who are hell bent on disproving God. (Though most atheists I know realize this can't be done.) |
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msharmony
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Sat 06/05/10 11:58 AM
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there is a concept called unconditional love which most parents believe in,, however,,, there is a difference in the interpretation some think it means support whatever your kids do and dont chastise or punish them others believe it strictly applies to feelings(as in I love my child no matter what) and that consequences and punishments are still necessary to help a child grow into an adult punishment with most parents is a showing of love. They are molding the children to live in a good way as to not have problems later in life. I agree. I have spoken with several teaching professionals who repeat often that children not only need but WANT boundaries. They show the parent is consistent and can be trusted in what they say,, and that they CARE enough to get involved(even when its not easy to do so). the easiest thing in the world to do is just say ok, whatever you want, however you feel,,,,etc,,,, may as well have the child and leave them with whomever, cause they are basically raising themself when the parent just sits back and observes while their child chooses what they 'want' and what feels good |
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The only people who are hell bent on proving "God" are followers of the Abrahamic Religions. Abra, I disagree. I've known non-religionists who are hell bent on proving the 'God' of their particular (often new-agey) worldview. I know this is unrelated to your statement, but there are also atheists who are hell bent on disproving God. (Though most atheists I know realize this can't be done.) I do not see the reason why atheists are hell bent on trying to disprove God. Are they trying to justify the reason they feel that way? Reason i spend hours in here trying to reveal God to people is out of love. Cause i know the consequence of denying the lord, i want to try to help them by revealing God to them before it's to late. So on my side of the battle there is a positive outcome, what does an atheist gain by trying to convert others to view it the same as them? |
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So you are telling me that if your child constantly stated to you and everyone else that you were not his/her dad, you wouldn't punish him/her in some way? And eventually kick him/her out of the house when it was legal? I can't say for certain, not having experienced this - but I like to think that I wouldn't kick him out of the house. Hell, s/he might even have good reason to question this, and determining the truth behind this might not be worth the cost/inconvenience of a DNA test. Well let me get a little more detailed........ If your child looked you straight in the eye and screamed at the top of there lungs to your face that you were not there dad, then stormed off. And continued to do as such every time you tried to either create a relation with that child or have that child do something. |
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So you are telling me that if your child constantly stated to you and everyone else that you were not his/her dad, you wouldn't punish him/her in some way? And eventually kick him/her out of the house when it was legal? I don't even remotely think like you do. I never consider punishment to be a 'solution' to anything. What would you hope to accomplish by punishing your child in this scenario? Do you think that punishing them will somehow change their mind about you being their parent? To be perfectly honest about it, I think if you punished them under these circumstances you'd prove them at the very least that you neither love them, nor have any wisdom whatsoever when it comes to thinking of creative and positive solutions to problems. You'd probably just convince them even further that you're most likely an imposter and may have even killed their real parents when you abducted them. And if these truly are your very own childern, then I feel sorry for both you, and them. |
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