Topic: forgive?
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Fri 01/15/10 11:57 AM



My purse was stolen from me earlier today. I was upset at first, but soon changed my outlook to imagine that perhaps this person was in dire need. It was still not ok for them to steal and I hope the police find them but I have already forgiven and let go of the anger and stress I first felt.
SOME people hold HATE,,,like its part of their skin...never to leave them.....

I have never felt the power of hate,,,,long....flowerforyou


thats good, hate kills(directly and indirectly). I cried at first, its my moms seventieth birthday and I was starting my shopping for party supplies and gifts for her party,,,but the store was kind enough to give me the birthday cake at no charge.....


While the store was kind in doing that, I would suspect it had more to do with not wanting to be sued by you for having inadequate security.

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Sat 01/16/10 10:24 AM
if one can not forget, then to forgive becomes a contradiction

that the incident has such a negative impact that one can not forget or still insist that the prepetrator of the incident pay for committing the incident such as jail time or whatever, then this is an indication that one has not forgiven

if the religious prayed for forgivness and expected to be forgiven ..does being forgiven includes still paying for the sins commited and going to hell ..or does being forgiven means being absolved of the sins and staying out of hell

to forgive means that the slate is wiped clean...but if one can not forget means the slate is still dirty

if one can not self-induce amnesia to forget the incident, then to claim to have forgiven the incident is to place oneself into a state of denial

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Sat 01/16/10 11:06 AM

if one can not forget, then to forgive becomes a contradiction

that the incident has such a negative impact that one can not forget or still insist that the prepetrator of the incident pay for committing the incident such as jail time or whatever, then this is an indication that one has not forgiven

if the religious prayed for forgivness and expected to be forgiven ..does being forgiven includes still paying for the sins commited and going to hell ..or does being forgiven means being absolved of the sins and staying out of hell

to forgive means that the slate is wiped clean...but if one can not forget means the slate is still dirty

if one can not self-induce amnesia to forget the incident, then to claim to have forgiven the incident is to place oneself into a state of denial


oh but on the contrary. You may not able to intentionally forget the action but still nevertheless you can forgive. You catch your woman cheating on you with someone, probably will end the relationship. But you can still forgive her regardless if you can forget or not. This would consist of not saying mean or bad things to her, not hitting her and hurting her that way, and or down talking her name to friends and family. You can still be friends with her and treat her with respect. Thus forgiving, but not forgetting.

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Sat 01/16/10 11:13 AM

. You catch your woman cheating on you with someone, probably will end the relationship. But you can still forgive her regardless if you can forget or not.



if you forgiven her then there is no reason for the relationship to end because it would be as if she never cheated

as long as you allow the incident to have a negative impact....then you haven't forgiven


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Sat 01/16/10 11:15 AM

if one can not forget, then to forgive becomes a contradiction

that the incident has such a negative impact that one can not forget or still insist that the prepetrator of the incident pay for committing the incident such as jail time or whatever, then this is an indication that one has not forgiven

if the religious prayed for forgivness and expected to be forgiven ..does being forgiven includes still paying for the sins commited and going to hell ..or does being forgiven means being absolved of the sins and staying out of hell

to forgive means that the slate is wiped clean...but if one can not forget means the slate is still dirty

if one can not self-induce amnesia to forget the incident, then to claim to have forgiven the incident is to place oneself into a state of denial


If I forgive, it does not mean I absolve that person of the natural consequences (or lesson) of their action. To forget would exclude me from learning any lesson as well. Life is about lessons(for me). I can forgive , that is to say, I can hold no ill will towards someone personally, but I can still expect them to account for what they have done.

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Sat 01/16/10 11:18 AM


. You catch your woman cheating on you with someone, probably will end the relationship. But you can still forgive her regardless if you can forget or not.



if you forgiven her then there is no reason for the relationship to end because it would be as if she never cheated

as long as you allow the incident to have a negative impact....then you haven't forgiven




oh but there would still be a reason. Relations of two are constructed from how the two get along with one another and how SECURE they feel with the other. How can someone feel SECURE with the other if the other has cheated in the past. Again people can FORGIVE but not INTENTIONALLY FORGET.

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Sat 01/16/10 11:38 AM

If I forgive, it does not mean I absolve that person of the natural consequences (or lesson) of their action. To forget would exclude me from learning any lesson as well. Life is about lessons(for me). I can forgive , that is to say, I can hold no ill will towards someone personally, but I can still expect them to account for what they have done.


MsHarmony...so do that mean that when you committ sin and ask God for forgiveness that you still insist that you account for those sins and be sent to Hell

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Sat 01/16/10 11:40 AM

oh but there would still be a reason. Relations of two are constructed from how the two get along with one another and how SECURE they feel with the other. How can someone feel SECURE with the other if the other has cheated in the past. Again people can FORGIVE but not INTENTIONALLY FORGET.


Cowboy....if you do not feel secure with the people that cheated on you..then that insecurity is an indication that you haven't forgiven them

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Sat 01/16/10 11:42 AM


If I forgive, it does not mean I absolve that person of the natural consequences (or lesson) of their action. To forget would exclude me from learning any lesson as well. Life is about lessons(for me). I can forgive , that is to say, I can hold no ill will towards someone personally, but I can still expect them to account for what they have done.


MsHarmony...so do that mean that when you committ sin and ask God for forgiveness that you still insist that you account for those sins and be sent to Hell


don't turn her words around on her funches. She said SHE can not forget it. She is not God nor is any of us nor do we have the ability to force ourselves to forget something.

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Sat 01/16/10 11:43 AM


oh but there would still be a reason. Relations of two are constructed from how the two get along with one another and how SECURE they feel with the other. How can someone feel SECURE with the other if the other has cheated in the past. Again people can FORGIVE but not INTENTIONALLY FORGET.


Cowboy....if you do not feel secure with the people that cheated on you..then that insecurity is an indication that you haven't forgiven them


no forgiving them is forgiving them for THAT action of which you forgave them for. You just learn from that and not give that person another chance to wrong you again.

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Sat 01/16/10 11:49 AM



If I forgive, it does not mean I absolve that person of the natural consequences (or lesson) of their action. To forget would exclude me from learning any lesson as well. Life is about lessons(for me). I can forgive , that is to say, I can hold no ill will towards someone personally, but I can still expect them to account for what they have done.


MsHarmony...so do that mean that when you committ sin and ask God for forgiveness that you still insist that you account for those sins and be sent to Hell


don't turn her words around on her funches. She said SHE can not forget it. She is not God nor is any of us nor do we have the ability to force ourselves to forget something.


Cowboy....allow MsHarmony to make up her own excuses ..I'm interested to read how she answer this one

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Sat 01/16/10 11:50 AM

no forgiving them is forgiving them for THAT action of which you forgave them for. You just learn from that and not give that person another chance to wrong you again.


Cowboy...by not giving them another chance means that you haven't forgiven them .....wouldn't you want another chance from God to get into Heaven when you comitt sin against him

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Sat 01/16/10 11:55 AM

if one can not forget, then to forgive becomes a contradiction

that the incident has such a negative impact that one can not forget or still insist that the prepetrator of the incident pay for committing the incident such as jail time or whatever, then this is an indication that one has not forgiven

if the religious prayed for forgivness and expected to be forgiven ..does being forgiven includes still paying for the sins commited and going to hell ..or does being forgiven means being absolved of the sins and staying out of hell

to forgive means that the slate is wiped clean...but if one can not forget means the slate is still dirty

if one can not self-induce amnesia to forget the incident, then to claim to have forgiven the incident is to place oneself into a state of denial
If man was ment to not remember, then forgetting would be
a simple task to do. Yet we were born to remember and must follow that in which we our made to do.
To forgive is the essence of not-holding them in thoughts as to their blame. Yet we're made to know them, as having the abilities to flaw toward that direction again.
AS TO TEST,,if you will,,our inner capibilties to give-a-second-chance, to everyone. Who we first might have deemed as wrong.
WE can no-more erase memories as we could forget who we our.
For one to SAY,,,they have LOST ALL memory of an issue, would to me THEN be LIVING A CONTRADICTION...of THEIR TRUTH...

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Sat 01/16/10 11:57 AM


no forgiving them is forgiving them for THAT action of which you forgave them for. You just learn from that and not give that person another chance to wrong you again.


Cowboy...by not giving them another chance means that you haven't forgiven them .....wouldn't you want another chance from God to get into Heaven when you comitt sin against him


asking for forgiveness of God consist of you claiming you won't do it again. If a person asks of your forgiveness you have no way of knowing if it is sincere. And if you ask God for forgiveness and turn around and do it again, when you asked for it in the first place was in vein. And if it was in vein it makes it null.

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Sat 01/16/10 12:05 PM

To forgive is the essence of not-holding them in thoughts as to their blame.


"iam4u"...it that was true...then there is no need to forgive

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Sat 01/16/10 12:09 PM


To forgive is the essence of not-holding them in thoughts as to their blame.


"iam4u"...it that was true...then there is no need to forgive


how did you get that from what he said?... He was saying giving someone forgivness make it to where you aren't blaming them for whatever they did. As in, someone socks you right in your jaw, you forgive them. Then you see them at the store the next day, you will not be rude to them or treat them any different then someone you've never met. This is showing forgiveness of there trespasses against you.

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Sat 01/16/10 12:14 PM

asking for forgiveness of God consist of you claiming you won't do it again. If a person asks of your forgiveness you have no way of knowing if it is sincere. And if you ask God for forgiveness and turn around and do it again, when you asked for it in the first place was in vein. And if it was in vein it makes it null.


Cowboy..so anyone that has the need to ask God for forgivness a second time should go to Hell?

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Sat 01/16/10 12:17 PM



To forgive is the essence of not-holding them in thoughts as to their blame.


"iam4u"...it that was true...then there is no need to forgive


how did you get that from what he said?... He was saying giving someone forgivness make it to where you aren't blaming them for whatever they did. As in, someone socks you right in your jaw, you forgive them. Then you see them at the store the next day, you will not be rude to them or treat them any different then someone you've never met. This is showing forgiveness of there trespasses against you.


no his statement was a contradiction ....if he did not hold them in thought as to blame...then there is no reason to forgive them ..unless he did hold them to blame

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Sat 01/16/10 12:17 PM


If I forgive, it does not mean I absolve that person of the natural consequences (or lesson) of their action. To forget would exclude me from learning any lesson as well. Life is about lessons(for me). I can forgive , that is to say, I can hold no ill will towards someone personally, but I can still expect them to account for what they have done.


MsHarmony...so do that mean that when you committ sin and ask God for forgiveness that you still insist that you account for those sins and be sent to Hell


Yes, I still have to account here on earth for my actions, even with Gods forgiveness. Gods forgiveness saves my SPIRIT not my mortal body. My flesh must atone, choice for choice, for the things I do.

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Sat 01/16/10 12:17 PM


asking for forgiveness of God consist of you claiming you won't do it again. If a person asks of your forgiveness you have no way of knowing if it is sincere. And if you ask God for forgiveness and turn around and do it again, when you asked for it in the first place was in vein. And if it was in vein it makes it null.


Cowboy..so anyone that has the need to ask God for forgivness a second time should go to Hell?


all but one sin is equal funches. ALL sins are, you commit murder, you lie...... it's all the same. And forgivable, the only sin that is worse then others and unforgivable is denying the lord. And all sin leads to one thing, death. So yes any sin committed is in need of asking forgiveness of.