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An eye for an eye I say. leaves every one blind, i don't think offering physiological distress to prevent undesirable actions has ever prevented anything. but i guess its the most logical approach. I never said I was trying to prevent anything. then why do you need to wait for some one else to take the first eye? if not for preventative measures then surely it must be of a pleasurable motive. |
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? In the Christian faith the teaching is to forgive, you do not have to accept, approve, or believe it was ok for someone to commit a heinous crime. i don't understand... |
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? forgiveness is bullcrap. a person asks for forgiveness selfishly. forgiveness only benifits the offender. it lets him off the hook in a sense for his wrong doing which often lessens the harmful impact in his mind that his offense has caused the victim. when someone says they are sorry to me i thank them for the appology and acknowledge his/her courage in admitting the mistake. then i let them know if it doesn't happen again we'll have no further problem. when thinking about forgiveness i cannot help but think about the wife beater who keeps asking and receiving forgiveness from his wife and continues the beating. when he finally puts her in intensive care and gets hauled to jail he says, "well if she'd quit pissing me off i wouldn't beat her". forgiving sucks. consequences matter. |
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? forgiveness is bullcrap. a person asks for forgiveness selfishly. forgiveness only benifits the offender. it lets him off the hook in a sense for his wrong doing which often lessens the harmful impact in his mind that his offense has caused the victim. when someone says they are sorry to me i thank them for the appology and acknowledge his/her courage in admitting the mistake. then i let them know if it doesn't happen again we'll have no further problem. when thinking about forgiveness i cannot help but think about the wife beater who keeps asking and receiving forgiveness from his wife and continues the beating. when he finally puts her in intensive care and gets hauled to jail he says, "well if she'd quit pissing me off i wouldn't beat her". forgiving sucks. consequences matter. Is forgiveness bull crap for those of us who offer it without being asked? |
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? just because one claim to forgive someone doesn't mean that the person in question need, want or require your forgiveness ...the person may even feel that they have done nothing to be forgiven for if forgiveness is anything it's a form of therapy to help someone deal with a given situation by placing themselves into a positon of power to absolve the person that supposedly done them wrong of their supposed sins there is no need to forgive because to do so takes power from you and give it to the person in question ...if anything consider the incident to be knowledge and not allow it to continuously cause a negative impact upon your psyche |
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To forgive, does not take any power from me, it relinquishes me from the negative emotional consequence of the offense. Forgiveness is not for my offender, but for me.
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? forgiveness is bullcrap. a person asks for forgiveness selfishly. forgiveness only benifits the offender. it lets him off the hook in a sense for his wrong doing which often lessens the harmful impact in his mind that his offense has caused the victim. when someone says they are sorry to me i thank them for the appology and acknowledge his/her courage in admitting the mistake. then i let them know if it doesn't happen again we'll have no further problem. when thinking about forgiveness i cannot help but think about the wife beater who keeps asking and receiving forgiveness from his wife and continues the beating. when he finally puts her in intensive care and gets hauled to jail he says, "well if she'd quit pissing me off i wouldn't beat her". forgiving sucks. consequences matter. Is forgiveness bull crap for those of us who offer it without being asked? maybe worse. offer it without the perpetrator asking and you diminish the consequences of his offence even further. further remove the deterance for a repeat offence. he/she simply doesn't feel as bad for what he's done to you. he's even rewarded by removing the need to humble himself and ask forgiveness. his humiliating shame is lessened. what is forgiveness if not a pardon? a crime against my moral compass is no less a crime than a crime against society's laws. it's more and more common in america that people come to the realization that there are few consequences for their actions whether it be illegal immigration, teen pregnancy, date rape, spousal abuse, insulting friends or whatever. i cannot help but think that this lack of appreciation for concequences for commiting harm to others doesn't begin with having continuously been forgiven from an early age. |
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? forgiveness is bullcrap. a person asks for forgiveness selfishly. forgiveness only benifits the offender. it lets him off the hook in a sense for his wrong doing which often lessens the harmful impact in his mind that his offense has caused the victim. when someone says they are sorry to me i thank them for the appology and acknowledge his/her courage in admitting the mistake. then i let them know if it doesn't happen again we'll have no further problem. when thinking about forgiveness i cannot help but think about the wife beater who keeps asking and receiving forgiveness from his wife and continues the beating. when he finally puts her in intensive care and gets hauled to jail he says, "well if she'd quit pissing me off i wouldn't beat her". forgiving sucks. consequences matter. Is forgiveness bull crap for those of us who offer it without being asked? maybe worse. offer it without the perpetrator asking and you diminish the consequences of his offence even further. further remove the deterance for a repeat offence. he/she simply doesn't feel as bad for what he's done to you. he's even rewarded by removing the need to humble himself and ask forgiveness. his humiliating shame is lessened. what is forgiveness if not a pardon? a crime against my moral compass is no less a crime than a crime against society's laws. it's more and more common in america that people come to the realization that there are few consequences for their actions whether it be illegal immigration, teen pregnancy, date rape, spousal abuse, insulting friends or whatever. i cannot help but think that this lack of appreciation for concequences for commiting harm to others doesn't begin with having continuously been forgiven from an early age. Forgiveness does not absolve anyone of consequence. An offender may not even know that he was forgiven. Forgiveness happens inside the person who is offended.It absolves them of the stressful consequences of hate and blame. I can FORGIVE a repeat adulterer and still BREAK off the relationship as a consequence of the offense. Forgiveness does not exclude consequence. It is merely an emotion to help heal the offended. |
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To forgive, does not take any power from me, it relinquishes me from the negative emotional consequence of the offense. Forgiveness is not for my offender, but for me. if you have to "give" then that is an indication that it "takes" away .....only because of the actions of the offender would you have the need to forgive ...this means that the offender already has some power over you....and to then forgive is to relinquish the offender more power |
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Turning the other cheek, how much forgiveness do you have in you? if given the opportunity can you forgive mass murders? Rapist? criminals of even the most heinous crime? or is there a capacity on forgiveness, should those who seek it be forgiven? if some one proclaimed their sins to you as a human to another human with all dogmatic factors aside, can you forgive without religious principles? forgiveness is bullcrap. a person asks for forgiveness selfishly. forgiveness only benifits the offender. it lets him off the hook in a sense for his wrong doing which often lessens the harmful impact in his mind that his offense has caused the victim. when someone says they are sorry to me i thank them for the appology and acknowledge his/her courage in admitting the mistake. then i let them know if it doesn't happen again we'll have no further problem. when thinking about forgiveness i cannot help but think about the wife beater who keeps asking and receiving forgiveness from his wife and continues the beating. when he finally puts her in intensive care and gets hauled to jail he says, "well if she'd quit pissing me off i wouldn't beat her". forgiving sucks. consequences matter. Is forgiveness bull crap for those of us who offer it without being asked? maybe worse. offer it without the perpetrator asking and you diminish the consequences of his offence even further. further remove the deterance for a repeat offence. he/she simply doesn't feel as bad for what he's done to you. he's even rewarded by removing the need to humble himself and ask forgiveness. his humiliating shame is lessened. what is forgiveness if not a pardon? a crime against my moral compass is no less a crime than a crime against society's laws. it's more and more common in america that people come to the realization that there are few consequences for their actions whether it be illegal immigration, teen pregnancy, date rape, spousal abuse, insulting friends or whatever. i cannot help but think that this lack of appreciation for concequences for commiting harm to others doesn't begin with having continuously been forgiven from an early age. Forgiveness does not absolve anyone of consequence. An offender may not even know that he was forgiven. Forgiveness happens inside the person who is offended.It absolves them of the stressful consequences of hate and blame. I can FORGIVE a repeat adulterer and still BREAK off the relationship as a consequence of the offense. Forgiveness does not exclude consequence. It is merely an emotion to help heal the offended. i understand how you see it. we simply see it differently. forgiveness works for you. doesn't work for me. |
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Or perhaps forGIVEness, GIVES me back the power that was taken when I was offended,,,,,,wordplay that could go on for pages. The above post states it best, it works for me,,doesnt have to work for everyone.
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Or perhaps forGIVEness, GIVES me back the power that was taken when I was offended,,,,,,wordplay that could go on for pages. The above post states it best, it works for me,,doesnt have to work for everyone. not really...because it is you that has this need to give...the offender simply may not care...it becomes your obsession |
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Or perhaps forGIVEness, GIVES me back the power that was taken when I was offended,,,,,,wordplay that could go on for pages. The above post states it best, it works for me,,doesnt have to work for everyone. not really...because it is you that has this need to give...the offender simply may not care...it becomes your obsession not really an obsession, a pretty simple and quick action followed by me moving on with my life. |
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Or perhaps forGIVEness, GIVES me back the power that was taken when I was offended,,,,,,wordplay that could go on for pages. The above post states it best, it works for me,,doesnt have to work for everyone. not really...because it is you that has this need to give...the offender simply may not care...it becomes your obsession not really an obsession, a pretty simple and quick action followed by me moving on with my life. as I said at first..it's therapy |
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forgive us trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us and then beat the crap out of em |
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forgive us trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and then beat the crap out of em consequences. |
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it's kinda like the condemned muderer
you forgive him but you still execute him |
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it's kinda like the condemned muderer you forgive him but you still execute him forgive him if that's what blows your skirt up. not me. |
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well that's what you're suppose to do
very few of us (actually none) are "good" christians in reality its pretty difficult if you loan someone $20 and they never pay it back, you're suppose to forgive it and give it to them freely but in reality we go find em and beat the crap out of em and get our money back |
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it's kinda like the condemned muderer you forgive him but you still execute him that means that the governor didn't forgive him |
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