YOU SAY: the last year under George Bush...the defecit was $459
billion...this fiscal year it stands at 1.4 trillion...do the math son...Obama has no
fuggin' clue what he's doing...he's just another tax and spend radical Liberal..


ACTUALLY: this is not something that falls all on Obamas shoulders. We were in a recession and on the way to depression. The increase in deficit is a natural process in recovery from such a situation. According to TIME magazine
Between 1901 and 1916, the budget was almost always balanced.
But then came the Great Depression followed closely by World War II, which resulted in a long succession of deficits that caused the federal debt to balloon from $16 billion in 1930 to $242 billion by 1946.(thats a rise of 1100 percent, we are at 300 percent now but I doubt that number will rise at the same rate during the coming years as it has had to during this first).


YOU SAY: wrecking this countries economy...and...it's standing in the world...our currency is worthless...he's spending money we don't have.

ACTUALLY: these were all conditions already in existence before OBama took office

YOU SAY: while he's trying to force healthcare on a country that's 85% happy with what they have

ACTUALLY: I am not sure where you are getting your numbers. Last I heard, support for some type of reform were pretty evenly split.


YOU SAY: people are losing there jobs each and everyday...the true unemployment rate...is 17%...when you count those who have stopped looking...in his 9 months...almost 4 million jobs lost...
2 car companies taken over...nationalized the banks...nationalized student loans...a record 35 million on food stamps..

ACTUALLY: these conditions are also things that didnt START with OBama, These are balls that were already rolling down the hill and it is gonna take some time to slow down or stop the momentum they had already gained.

YOU SAY: he's surrounded himself with 34 czars who would
never have passed the Senates approval...with there communist beliefs...so what's next on his agenda...Cap and Trade...or better know as KneeCap and Tax...which will be a way for the government to dictate how each individual household regulates there heating
and air conditioning...through what they call " smart grids "

ACTUALLY: I dont really know enough to comment on the details of this accusation although most sounds like speculation and nothing that is backed up with proof. czars, and communists, and dictators,, OH MY!! I dont see this president as being a czar and at best I coudl see him offering incentives and rewards to those who choose alternative energy or make smarter choices

YOU SAY: did you know that in this bill...all the fines that the goverment collects from businesses that don't conform to their stringent polution standards...will go into a government account and
then be directly deposited into the bank accounts of those people who are 150% above the poverty line if they can't pay there heating bills.

ACTUALLY: Not likely or legal. Do you understand the paperwork and man hours involved in depositing money directly into peoples bank accounts? It would be more likely that fines collected would go into production of clean energy and promoting a green economy.


YOU SAY: that is what this guy meant by redistibution of wealth...his whole agenda is to return this coutrty to it's rightful
owner...and in his mind...thats the poor...the down troddin'...who he believes are there because of the rich...and...the middle class...

ACTUALLY: I will give that this one is PURE opinion and speculation. I see his statement differently than you but that is nothing that can be proven or disproven so I will leave it alone.

The dumbing down of America began it's biggest role when the Department of Education was created in 1977.

In fact, since then they have required several times that textbooks in our schools be "dumbed down" so the student body can keep up...

Frankly i am getting disgusted with all this hype about republicans this, democrats that.

That is corrupting the citizens' abilities to critically think.

But, maybe they don't wanna wake up... In which case dems, you keep blaming the republicans, and repubs, you keep blaming the dems.

Make a choice.

I guess you've forgotten all about the coutless hearings and testimony...given by your main man...Col.Powell...it took hours and hours...days and days...months and months...before any approval was given by both democRATS and Republicans...to enter Iraq on the assumption that not only did they have weapons of mass distruction...but...also that the terrorists responsible for 9/11 were hunkered down in Iraq...plotting and planning more attacks...

About 9/11. I feel we will never know. I have first hand knowledge from someone on the inside ( family friend ) that there was STRONG discouragement of anyone coming forward with anything that would not support Bush's reasons for war, but, that is all hearsay unless proven which Im sure government is wise enough to make sure never happens.

As a nation , we need to learn from past setbacks so as not to repeat them though. I just hope that we will never again support war JUST because a president deems someone 'evil' or an 'enemy'. I hope we will require the evidence that supports his claim and backs up that it will result in a greater good and that it will be worth the lives taken and disrupted.

the point is...Obama has made everything worse...last June the unemployment rate stood at 5.6%...as far as spending your way out of a depression...like I've said before...no country has ever tax and spent it's way to prosperity...FDR's policies actually made things worse...what ended the depression was WW2..heres a couple of polling sources you need to read...Rasmussen...Zogby...by the way did you see the latest poll nunbers on Obama...only 43% said they'd vote for him if the election were held today...it's pretty simple...Obama got 52.7% of the vote when he won...now...you don't think he's pissed off at least 3% of those voters ?...which would have him at less then 50%...only 12 1/2 more months for the country to let him know what they think...in 1994 when the country had it's first chance to show Clinton what they thought...he lost 54 house seats and 8 senate seats...remember...right now 82 house seats sit in districts that voted for McCain and or Bush in the last two elections...

Have you been listening to Rush again? LOL

The "worse" of Bush's recession still hasn't hit us especially with the unemployment rates. The economists said this last year.

Obama couldn't do anything to stop it. All he could do was try to stop us from going into a depression. It was handed to him that way.

Stop listening to Rush or Faux they are leading you astray.

Actually what funny is the fact that he is right about certain things. Like FDR prolonging the Great Depression.

But, then again.... When does mathematics have anything to do with the economy...

Banks have never been more powerful though. And i think the current administration pretty much proved that to be true. Yes, we let a company get big enough, then declare it to be too large to fail. So the government gives them money for any shortfalls but they keep the money when the make the profits. Hmmm.... Privitizing profits, socializing losses.... That's more powerful than any monopoly could ever be...

You will never convince the locksteppers democrats are driving up the deficit. It is the fault of Bush. Not that he did not contribute to out of control spending, but democrats are driving up the deficit at near record rates.

The banks were forced to make risky loans and the crooks behind those deals are still sitting in government.

Obama's stimulus was going to create shovel ready jobs for the unemployed but they lack disbursement oversight. One example is the stimulus money sent to PA. It was used for the state budget not jobs.

Small businesses still can't get loans. Only 16% of that money has been spent.

In February Obama claimed unemployment would not rise above 8%. He claimed it would offer immediate economic relief and we know the economy continues to sink. The high priced stimulus (paid by taxpayers) resulted in higher unemployment because it did not address the problem. The amount of tax money the government collects is in decline and most people are not sure of recovery. That's what is hurting us now. The GDP declined. Hell, most companies are tightening the belt with hiring, wage increase freezes and laying off employees.

Pointing fingers at other people never works. The Democrats have power now and unless they turn consersavite to trim spending we are in serious trouble ahead. Very few people feel confident this can be turned around by higher deficit. The ball is in their court.

Like I said, Bush acted like democrat-light on a spending spree. Now we have the real deal in office. Blaming Bush is not going to get them reelected. Once people are hit in the pocketbook they turn sour on the government who has control. Whining about the past and not coming up with results--not going to fly. I predict a change in the wind and not what the dems are hoping for...

In February Obama claimed unemployment would not rise above 8%. He claimed it would offer immediate economic relief and we know the economy continues to sink. The high priced stimulus (paid by taxpayers) resulted in higher unemployment because it did not address the problem. The amount of tax money the government collects is in decline and most people are not sure of recovery. That's what is hurting us now. The GDP declined. Hell, most companies are tightening the belt with hiring, wage increase freezes and laying off employees.
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mm,, none of that is true,,,obama didnt make any absolute statements of that nature. As I said, there is no clear evidence to me that OBama is the cause of where we are now, I will give him his tenure and more than 8 months to undo 8 years of fiasco....then I can have some more reasonable correlations to draw about cause and affect where OBama and our economy, healthcare, education, safety,,etc,,, are concerned

QFT!

In all honesty none of this is Obama's fault.....yet....

But this still kinda falls under the whole blaming of one side or the other.

I think both sides worked pretty well at corruption and exploiting...

What i am fascinated with, are all the exploits passed off as "good for the people". Things like medicare, medicade, welfare, social security, market regulations etc.


Great in short. Horrible in the long run.

I find it funny that we pass laws against monoplies, but currently declare businesses too big to fail, and give them tens of billions of dollars for every bad decision they make. That would make the said business like a monopoly sanctioned by law. Which, is more powerful than any other monopoly could ever be. All that money wasted on Regs, all that time, and we have a worse outcome than before.

You mean the false intel.

Which was made up by who?

I cannot see much truth in this. Are you listening to propaganda?

I disagree about the programs that are good for us, they are.

You have to see the long run in order to see the damage they cause. You can't just throw money at something and expect it to do good.

Nothing is only good or bad. There is always "blowback".

Short term, all said programs are good. Longterm look at the strain medicade and medicare put on our hospitals. Look how our social security is beginning to implode (mostly because these funds were dipped into for political reasons). At the very least, in the long run, these programs are making us DEPENDENT on our government. This should never be when it comes to daily life. The more dependent we become, the more potential for tyranny we have. But i guess soem just don't see that as a threat.

Financially, you take money away from people, you are ruining a market. This creates the need for regulation and artificial demand which creates more long term damage.

I wonder how many people wouldn't need medicare, or a government run insurance program, or how many people could comfortably retire, if they were alowed to keep another 50% of their income. (This still leaves 10% for Uncle Sam).

You see it your way. I don't see that way at all.

We can support these programs and they can be used in a positive way. We can do anything we need to do.

Money limitations...lol

Guess what happens when you are running a household and you have to pay out more money than you have short term? You borrow and make it happen. Guess what you do if it turns out to be a long term commitment, you tighten your belt and work another job. The country will do the same thing to support it's "household members". If the social security is the retirement of fund of said household, you may have to short it temporarily and then put it back. But it will be done.

I keep reading post after post in here about Left wing this and Right wing that.Conservatives VS Liberals blah,blah,blah,blah.Seriously how many average Americans out there have the first clue about politics?I would say less than 3% even have a basic understanding about politics and what Congress does.I would say less than 1% know the difference between a Liberal and Conservative is and what roles they play in our Government.

So with that said,I think it's safe to say when the majority of the people out there appose what our President is doing(and it looks like he is trying to turn America into a Dictatorship to me),you need to stop lumping them into the Conservative or right wing category and blame them for speaking out.The majority of people speaking out is just normal average Americans who don't play politics or care to.

Do we thinketh we are bigger than we are???

The majority is not opposing Obama so you are wrong there.

Some of the opposers are really loud and obnoxious so they sound like a crowd when it is really only a few...lol

The majority is not opposing Obama so you are wrong there.

you must being living in a dream world...this guy is in trouble...as of this night...right now...he is without a doubt...the worse president in this countries history...and that includes Jimmy Carter...there are more Americans scratching there heads...saying..." this is NOT the change I voted for "...he is history !!!

You have the bigger than thou art syndrom too huh??? LOL