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Edited by
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and as far as this retranslating the Bible to reflect a political bent
that is as wrong as wrong can be. you don't change the Bible to accomodate your politics you change your politics to accomodate the Bible (if you believe, if you REALLY believe) |
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Edited by
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Quiet wrote
bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. |
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Edited by
Quietman_2009
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. well thats another issue I've commented on before. The gay/lesbian community has this confrontational in your face mentality about it and that just alienates and drives away the very people they need support from they need to be charming and persuasive and convince the majority most every "fundamental" Christian has a nephew or niece or uncle or cousin who is gay. and in that particular case they love em. they need to see that by extension the whole gay community is uncles and aunts and nieces and nephews and cousins |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm.  there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us You may not have an issue with gay marriage, but you know that many, many, many others do. If they didn't, there would not be an issue at all with gay people getting married in this country. |
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I have a friend that is wiccan that is against gays because as she believes it's not part of nature and can't procreate. I know I can't explain it the way she did to me...but in her belief there are male and female things. the wand is male and the cauldron or chalice is female
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us You may not have an issue with gay marriage, but you know that many, many, many others do. If they didn't, there would not be an issue at all with gay people getting married in this country. of course I know that. I'm not blind and have even stated there are. I'm talking about the generalizations made and that not all think the way others think |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. my point is that it isn't just Chrisitans...or certain Chrisitans  what does voting being private have to do with anything? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 10/08/09 11:47 AM
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. Although I love ya, as a Christian, I must strongly disagree. I and other christians dont believe we should force what we believe on others. WE do , like anyone, have a certain standard of life we wish to live in america . So do people who are atheists or agnostics or other faiths. I dont think it is accurate to always equate a preference for certain societal structures as an intolerance to other opinions or lifestyles. There are people who lead wonderful lives without having any faith at all and likewise, there are many reasons people have to oppose whatever they oppose that arent automatically about religion or faith. I believe biology makes us different and should not be ignored. just as I would not want marital guidelines to start including siblings who chose to marry, I would not want a society that thins out the very unique marital commitment to include same sex or multiple partners. I dont think that is exclusive thinking to Christians, i think many people agree just based upon what their heart tells them. Ask most atheists if they would think it ok for a brother and sister to marry,, and they would probably say no. Many cultures allow those to marry who in our culture we consider children,,is that about religion? IS that because of the influence of christianity, or just what society at large in our CULTURE accepts as a desirable social structure? |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. my point is that it isn't just Chrisitans...or certain Chrisitans what does voting being private have to do with anything? Christianity is the top religion in this country and voting has everything to do with the laws that get voted down. Showing still that you are not in the majority of Christian ideals about gay marriage in this country. They are imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country. |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. my point is that it isn't just Chrisitans...or certain Chrisitans what does voting being private have to do with anything? Christianity is the top religion in this country and voting has everything to do with the laws that get voted down. Showing still that you are not in the majority of Christian ideals about gay marriage in this country. They are imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country. even you said voting is private...so how do you know how all Christians vote??? how do you know how other religions (atheism included) vote???? |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. my point is that it isn't just Chrisitans...or certain Chrisitans what does voting being private have to do with anything? Christianity is the top religion in this country and voting has everything to do with the laws that get voted down. Showing still that you are not in the majority of Christian ideals about gay marriage in this country. They are imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country. thats just democracy in action it's not just (some) Christians who oppose it its also Muslims and Jews but I think it might be okay with the Hindus. I dunno about that one the gay community needs to be selling themselves, not being confrontational and bitter or they'll never make progress in acceptance |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. my point is that it isn't just Chrisitans...or certain Chrisitans what does voting being private have to do with anything? Christianity is the top religion in this country and voting has everything to do with the laws that get voted down. Showing still that you are not in the majority of Christian ideals about gay marriage in this country. They are imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country. Most christians agree that rudenss and vulgarity are not appropriate, yet we support free speech laws. Most christians do not believe that promiscuity is appropriate, yet we respect peoples right to sleep with whomever they choose. I think it is inaccurate to automatically correlate the fact that a law HAPPENS to coincide with a christian belief with it being a law that CHRISTIANS created or forced upon others. Most people, including Christians , are voting their own conscious, which is just as valid a thing for a christian to do as it is for a non christian. |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. Although I love ya, as a Christian, I must strongly disagree. I and other christians dont believe we should force what we believe on others. WE do , like anyone, have a certain standard of life we wish to live in america . So do people who are atheists or agnostics or other faiths. I dont think it is accurate to always equate a preference for certain societal structures as an intolerance to other opinions or lifestyles. There are people who lead wonderful lives without having any faith at all and likewise, there are many reasons people have to oppose whatever they oppose that arent automatically about religion or faith. I believe biology makes us different and should not be ignored. just as I would not want marital guidelines to start including siblings who chose to marry, I would not want a society that thins out the very unique marital commitment to include same sex or multiple partners. I dont think that is exclusive thinking to Christians, i think many people agree just based upon what their heart tells them. Ask most atheists if they would think it ok for a brother and sister to marry,, and they would probably say no. Many cultures allow those to marry who in our culture we consider children,,is that about religion? IS that because of the influence of christianity, or just what society at large in our CULTURE accepts as a desirable social structure? Oh no!!! Here we go with the unnatural argument. If it natural for them, it is none of your business. The only laws we need to worry about it age and mental capacity. Who they want to marry should damn well be their business and how many they want to marry should be their damn business. Stop imposing your beliefs on others. Let them live and stop referring to them aa unnatural or wrong. That is your religion talking and should not be imposed on others. Damn. |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. again...these are the generalizations I'm talking about. not all Christians believe that and I know a lot of them. I don't think religion of any kind (including atheism) should be taught in public schools...learn it at home or in private school I have no problem with gay marriages. I don't care if someone isn't Christian. I don't believe that would make someone good or bad. these teachings were taught to me by my family and the church I was brought up in....so I know not all Christians believe in controlling others. even though some others believe in controlling us The fact that is is not legal in this country proves you are not the norm. there are other religions and non religious people that are against it as well for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with it. maybe it is the extremists that are the loudest about it which is why many hear that side Voting is private and it keeps getting voted down which still shows you are not in the majority. my point is that it isn't just Chrisitans...or certain Chrisitans what does voting being private have to do with anything? Christianity is the top religion in this country and voting has everything to do with the laws that get voted down. Showing still that you are not in the majority of Christian ideals about gay marriage in this country. They are imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country. even you said voting is private...so how do you know how all Christians vote??? how do you know how other religions (atheism included) vote???? LOL it is obvious...lol |
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Quiet wrote bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays I wish those statistics were correct. Sadly, Christians feel their doctrines should apply to this whole country. They do not live and let live because if that was true gay marriage would not be an issue in this country at all. One example here of course. Although I love ya, as a Christian, I must strongly disagree. I and other christians dont believe we should force what we believe on others. WE do , like anyone, have a certain standard of life we wish to live in america . So do people who are atheists or agnostics or other faiths. I dont think it is accurate to always equate a preference for certain societal structures as an intolerance to other opinions or lifestyles. There are people who lead wonderful lives without having any faith at all and likewise, there are many reasons people have to oppose whatever they oppose that arent automatically about religion or faith. I believe biology makes us different and should not be ignored. just as I would not want marital guidelines to start including siblings who chose to marry, I would not want a society that thins out the very unique marital commitment to include same sex or multiple partners. I dont think that is exclusive thinking to Christians, i think many people agree just based upon what their heart tells them. Ask most atheists if they would think it ok for a brother and sister to marry,, and they would probably say no. Many cultures allow those to marry who in our culture we consider children,,is that about religion? IS that because of the influence of christianity, or just what society at large in our CULTURE accepts as a desirable social structure? Oh no!!! Here we go with the unnatural argument. If it natural for them, it is none of your business. The only laws we need to worry about it age and mental capacity. Who they want to marry should damn well be their business and how many they want to marry should be their damn business. Stop imposing your beliefs on others. Let them live and stop referring to them aa unnatural or wrong. That is your religion talking and should not be imposed on others. Damn. Where did I post about anything being unnatural? |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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LOL it is obvious...lol to you....maybe. But some people are blinded with hatred Luckily our president (who is Christian) doesn't think the way you assume all Christians do |
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