As you can see, you quoted my response above. That should clear it up for you, right?

BS, conservatives are quite good at that also, they just hate getting caught at doing things they tell other people they shouldn't do. I'm a liberal, I don't spend what I don't have. I don't buy things I don't need. I can't stand drugs, and frankly I could care less about sex. Quite generalizing.

Indeed. But it has also gone to great pains to correct those issues and it;s a testament to the structure of government framed bythe founding fathers that allowed for them to be corrected and to the people of the United States that took it upon themselves to correct them.

But it's now the leftists, masquerading under the monicker of "liberal" that seek to curttail the liberties that generations of Americans have fought, sacrificed and died to protect and uphold. You might argue against that point but the fact remains that when the government, state, local or federal, lays claim to the product of the peoples' labor, it acts against the principles on which it was founded. It's reverting to feudalism and the monarchic system from which the founders revolted!

I see some so called liberals wanting to control things that don't agree with them as well....hence the Fox new thread...hmmmm

Hey now...bratty no but saying that I'm smart...Thank You ;)
I dislike both sides equally and as you get to know me and in some of my past posts that you will see that I rip on both sides. (Maybe, not equally as I should but enough to show that I'm "Fair and Balanced") I just get fed up when the same talking points get thrown out there with no common sense or intelligence to at the very least try to back it up. Guess that you can say that I'm playing devil advocate

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The people are far scarier than the goverment. And what the republicans dont tell their conservative voters is that they want to take power from the goverment and into the hands of corporations. They consider corporations to be "the people". The corporations are the ones that have been running death panels to kill sick people in this country for decades.

I never got why liberal and conservative is applied to a certain party. there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats

Its basically because Liberal/Conservative is an idealogy and republican/democrat are parties. There can be other parties, either liberal or conservative.

I agree

The two idealogies are natural, and exist in every democracy. You can't have one without the other and still have a democracy.All democratic countries have these two idealogies

I don't find that fair or balanced, there are still some good people on both sides of the isle, though hard to find people willing to find common ground because the fringe of both sides are doing all the screaming.

You can't get away with calling yourself and independent either, because one can tell by your views that you lean heavily in one direction, just as it's easy to see which way I lean.

Dismissing everyone for what some do isn't fair or balanced. Try to remember that we are all putting out talking points whether they are ours or regurgitated from media sources. The point is we all have a different world view. I'm a liberal I won't see everything you say as particularly useful to me nor what I say will be particularly useful to you. That doesn't' mean that if under certain circumstances we might see eye to eye on something else.

If you demonize me as a liberal, I'm going to want to do they same to you, depending in my mood.. grin. So we have a choice, find common ground or fight it out. Here most days it's conservatives against liberals.

you are right. they both exist in both parties (even 3rd parties)

but it just hit me that people interchange the "philosophy" with a political party which wouldn't be accurate

Well, its what I learned in PolSci at school. I think people use the interchangably in this country because there are only two main parties. Some other democratic countries have other parties. But they all have those two idealogies.

r u ok?

you could be right and that could be a reason. I just now noticed it. I haven't been on the ball a lot lately and catch on slower these days

Top ten best countries to live in.

"Norway, Australia, Iceland, Canada, Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden, France, Switzerland and Japan."


What do all these countries have in common?


All liberal countries!!!

maybe they are true liberals though and not liberal when it's convenient. But personally..I'm happy being conservative myself but liberal minded enough to know people are different and I won't have a government taking that away from me

Liberals arnt about the goverment taking anything, thats only what republican conservatives say whenever they get kicked out the goverment and liberals are in charge. Liberal means more liberty and justice for all. Not just for corporations.Yes these countries are true liberal because the believe in justice for all, and provide for their citizens. That is why they are the top ten countries to live