There us still a basic defintion that applies across the board and I tried to pull up the basic definitions.

ummmm I have said that this whole time. I have said it's on both sides.

just because some in here don't agree with the religion doesn't make the religion right or wrong for everyone. if you don't like...then stay away from it. I see people whining about the Christians telling them they are wrong for not believing and shoving it down their throats...but doing the same thing to Christians doesn't make these people any better than what they whine about.

the answer is very simple....don't buy the Bible

I'm not touching this thread

for every single person posting you'll get a different definition of liberal

it's one of those knee jerk connatative terms that means something different to every person

which is why I try to never speak in labels

yep...there are many definitions to different people

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

--Norman Thomas

"If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who use the words"

--Philip K. Dick

It's time for us to no longer be afraid of using the correct terms and demand that the conversation include the proper definitions. Or, at the very least, admit that while the meaning of a word might change, it's original intent does not.

When christians quite whining that their god is being removed from everything while they are trying to put it into everything we might not have it to deal with. What's simple is respect the seperation of church and state.

am I whining???? I don't think so. the bigotry against ALL Christians is astounding at times...just as it is when some Christians do it to others

You are a bit defensive, when no one is talking about all christians. You know who I am talking about when I talk about it. Hell most christians don't even have a clue what the leaders of their own faith are up to. Gives new meaning to blind faith. Get the christian fundementalists out of the republican party, you'll see a big change.

from all of the offensive posts I've seen you post about Christians...not some but as a generalizing...yes I'm defensive and you know I get defensive (which is probably why you post it)

just as you get defensive when people are offensive and generalizing all gays.

NOT ALL denominations have leaders like you seem to think we do not to mention the non-denominal churches out there

you are a bigot...plain and simple and not a very liberal attitude

I forget...it's the I'm right and you're wrong...nanny nanny boo boo theory

I was waiting for you to get around to calling me a bigot, Rose. You know damn well what I am talking about when I talk about the influence of christianity. It doesn't take all denominations to influence government and christianity around the world. there are actually a few that are fighting the fundementalist control but they aren't enough to change it.

The last sentence didn't make sense so I can't comment on it. Glad you admitted to being defensive though. And you are right, I too am defensive about the dumb a$$ things people accuse gays of, but gays aren't trying to convert the whole damn world.

We can't seem to discuss the ugly side of christianity with out you saying it's not all this or all that. Of course it's not all, but it's significant and it's in high places. Those with out political power can't do much of anything to change it.

bigot
Noun
a person who is intolerant, esp. regarding religion, politics, or race [Old French]
bigoted adj
bigotry n

boo...you can discuss it but when you are offensive...damn straight I will get defensive!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care if you don't like the religion...but when you say some of the nasty things I have seen you say...that doesn't make a discussion

bu neither are 90% of the Christians. Most of em live their lives quietly and allow everyone else to live theirs quietly

but if you take the few fundamentalist fascist types and extend that to represent all of Christanity it's like saying Bruno represents all gays

I know the freaking definition of Bigot.

I'm intolerant of 'control freaks', and ignorance, Rose, religion can't do a damn thing with out people to manipulate it. And religious people tend to only know what they are told from their individual churches, which is'nt much when it comes to politics.

I have no issue with them other than the fact that they rarely question their authority figures in the church, and rarely question the faith itself. These folks won't be the ones to create a theocracy in our government or the world, so they are hardly the people I would be referring to.

But if it makes you feel good to call me a bigot, knock yourself out.

but yet you bash it in general. and as quiet said....that is not the norm. those are extremists and I don't agree with them any more than I agree with you. you would be defensive when a Christian bashes you for not believing. you are no different than them IMO.

as far as the liberal attitude...I went by the definition dragoness gave and bigotry and not accept others views aren't liberal.

as far as this Bible...they are protected under the constitution to do this just as we are protected to not read it or buy it. it will NOT be taught in schools for the reasons I gave before. the lawsuits, protests and bad publicity would be tremendous.

Again I am 'not' talking about the so called 90% that live their lives quietly, several of which are friends, family members and acquaintances. There are far more fundamentalists that you might realize, and they are the ones with political pull, and the ones that concern me.

Again, I don't care what people believe privatly, I just don't want to see it pushed so far into government it controls everyone. and to ignore the influence already in government as we speak tells me that not enough people are concerned about what it going on. I hope I am wrong about that, frankly.