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We survived Bush. The way this presidency is going, it looks like we are going to be a part of a socialistic muslim radical society within the next 4 years. He closed Quantanimo, released terrorists,appologized to arabic countries, negotiated with terrorists, and flew a plane over NYC so his daughter could take pictures. Oh, and he also took back everything he said during his campaign, and did the opposite. I'm a soldier, and I can honestly say, I felt better serving this country under Bush. I totally agree 100%.I also see Obama turning America into a sorry assed country,full of wimpy cry babies,afraid to say anything negative to anyone for fear of offending them and their country.Now I hear Obama wants to get rid of our nuclear weapons.Lets face it this guy just wants us to give up everything we hold near and dear,erease our history,destroy our military,and turn this country over to our enemies so we can end up on a train with a one way ticket like the Jews did in World war 2. There is no inherent correlation between eliminating the government military and "turning this country over to our enemies". See Switzerland for a more sensible model of how to deal with the outside world. (they haven't been invaded Since William Tell's day) Switzerland isn't a great model to compare the United States to. The number of differences is miles long. First, they're landlocked alpine country with mandated military service. We're a continent wide with three coasts to protect. I'm not even sure if Switzerland has a navy, if they do, it's not a blue water navy. Obama's got a serious hard-on for America's History. The way he sees it, America never did anything for humanity before electing him as president.. Recall all his references to "in the past 9 (or 10) months" all the "progress" that's been made. yada yada. clearly coincidental with his innaguration.. His wife's reference to "never having been proud of her county" untill Barack won a few primaries.. He's been inculcated with the notion his entire life that the US is a force for Evil in the World and it must be remade, in his image, before it can be a truely great nation.. Bullcr@p. I like my constitution and bill of rights as they are.. His vision of America clearly is one with those two document either wiped completely off the boards or totally rewritten.. to include "what the government must do on your behalf"  I dont see anything like that about the President of the United States. Nothing in his background or "vision" say any of that stuff. Then clearly, do either haven't done all the research you claim to have or you don't take him at his word. do a search on youtube for "WBEZ Obama 2001" I still dont see any of that stuff you said about the President of the United States. I support the President
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) |
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) well, I'm impressed!!!!!!!! you really do pay attention 
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) except for trippling our national debt his first year in office....yeah a GREAT job...because EVERYONE knows the way out of debt is to make your money worth less and spend more! |
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) except for trippling our national debt his first year in office....yeah a GREAT job...because EVERYONE knows the way out of debt is to make your money worth less and spend more! Exactly, obama may have inherited some problems but he is creating some very costly problems all on his own. Problems that we will be paying for so many years to come. 
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) Ummmmm.....doesn't every new President inherit the previous President's problems?   Look, I am not gonna pass judgment on Obama simply because he has been in office for less than a year. When it gets closer to the end of his second year, I will look back and observe what he did and what he is going to do. |
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) Ummmmm.....doesn't every new President inherit the previous President's problems? Look, I am not gonna pass judgment on Obama simply because he has been in office for less than a year. When it gets closer to the end of his second year, I will look back and observe what he did and what he is going to do. He is going to continue what he does best, blame everything bad that has happened and is happening on the bush administration, set it up so that anything good that happens in the future is supposedly going to be because of him(most of the 'changes' he says he is making wont have any effect until 10 years out...so he says...how convenient for him.) Also, he will keep giving great speeches showing how much more articulate he is than our previous president and getting everybody hyped up and they will vote for him a second term...no real change will take place but because he keeps telling everyone it is going to take so long to see any change no one will judge him because he has TOLD us he is doing a good job...While in the meantime our debt is increasing, unemployment is increasing and our economy on the whole is falling |
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) except for trippling our national debt his first year in office....yeah a GREAT job...because EVERYONE knows the way out of debt is to make your money worth less and spend more! WOW!! Those are some good "talking points", did you get those from Fox or Rush bc they are the only right leans programs that have been saying that forever now. Obama has done everything that he has promised so far. Putting a deadline on getting our troops out of Iraq, helping our vets by signing a bill into law today, making everything transparent,he gave 95% a tax break and the list goes on. I just don't understand the hate...maybe we as a nation may not have been ready for the 1st black prsident...IDK? |
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I never thought I would be saying this but I do believe our current President is doing a even worse job at running the country than Bush did.Much like Bush he seems like he is in complete denial and totally oblivious to what is going on in the world.I see many extremely important issues that Obama is ignoring including.... Not holding a press conference or so much issuing a statement over the recent foiled terrorist plot that nearly happened. Blowing off the high unemployment which is near 10% and in some states 15% and not coming up with any solutions or ideas to fix it. American dollar sinking like the Titanic and other countries talking about taking off their reserves. The obvious fact that Iran is preparing for a major war and is in the final stages of preparation. The economy is still in a mess and he doesn't have any clue how to fix it. Obama needs to get off this stupid health care debate which nobody seems to care about and get back into some of the serious issues concerning this country before we end up turning into Mexico. Technically obama cant do any worse bc as he has reminded us sooooo many times that he inherited the problems and any future ones as well ;) well, I'm impressed!!!!!!!! you really do pay attention 
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1>Is it obvious to anyone else that people pick and choose from the GLOBE of information on the web,,the things that support what they believe and that no matter what you believe there is something written you can find to support it?
2> This seems like a negative debate. That is, impossible to prove one way or the other. Its like someone having a terrible headache for twenty four hours and then taking a pill and the headache is worse four hours later. How do you prove the pill made it worse as opposed to just not making it better? I think OBama did inherit QUITE a mess and has had nine short months to address as much as he can. I will wait for his terms end to decide how well he has done it. I also think OBama cannot talk about and ADDRESS every issue in front of the media that any of us might watch or read. THere are too many outlets and he has TOO much to do. Im amazed at the statements declaring what he is ignoring,,,How would anyone know that? ..because they havent seen it reported on their favorite media? Seriously, i think we jump the gun in our judgments sometimes and we involve ourselves in debates that are more about who is the loudest and most persistent because the topics arent anything that there is any right or wrong about. I personally dont feel anyone can do as poorly as Bush did. I could be wrong or right when its over, but as of now, I dont think BUSH had nearly as much to 'fix' in his first nine months,,Clinton left a surpluse and we were in pretty good shape. Comparing the two presidents at this point is certainly comparing apples and oranges. |
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except for trippling our national debt his first year in office....yeah a GREAT job...because EVERYONE knows the way out of debt is to make your money worth less and spend more! WOW!! Those are some good "talking points", did you get those from Fox or Rush bc they are the only right leans programs that have been saying that forever now. Obama has done everything that he has promised so far. Putting a deadline on getting our troops out of Iraq, helping our vets by signing a bill into law today, making everything transparent,he gave 95% a tax break and the list goes on. I just don't understand the hate...maybe we as a nation may not have been ready for the 1st black prsident...IDK? Oh, this is going to be fun ... First of all, the tripling of the budget deficit is not a "talking point", it's a reality. The budget deficit will at minimum be $1.4T this year, which is triple the deficit of the last Bush budget. If you don't know that, then you need to get your head out of the sand and start paying attention. As far as the promises you mentioned ... the original talk of a 16-month troop withdrawal (which, if implemented during Obama's first month in office, would have had us out of there by summer of 2010) has more than doubled, leaving many troops there until the end of 2011. He also said that the one of the reasons we would do that is so that we could focus more on Afghanistan. Now he's giving signals that he's not even going to do that. Making everything transparent? That would be hilarious, if it weren't for the fact that you seem to actually believe it has happened. There has been no transparency whatsoever, not that it's a surprise to many of us. Government isn't interested in their own transparency, no matter who's in charge. Just as an example, though, the big O specifically said that the people were going to have five days to read ALL bills BEFORE they would be voted on in Congress. Not only have the PEOPLE not had five days, the CONGRESS hasn't even had five days to read some of the bills that they've been commanded to vote on, even when the bills are over 1000 pages long! What tax break did he give to 95% of Americans? Are you talking about the $7 and change per week (to singles), which itself was still subject to all taxes once it was back in your paycheck? Wow, what is anyone going to do with all that money? Besides, once he lets the previous REAL tax cuts expire, it will amount to a net increase in taxes, so that was all a smoke-and-mirrors claim anyway. I tried to find something about the bill you mentioned. Please feel free to provide a link to a detailed article about the bill that helps veterans. While I certainly cannot speak for anyone that I don't know, I can tell you that my opposition to anything that is going on with this administration is purely ideological. That is also true for the people I know personally who are opposed to the things happening over the last several months. You seem to want to bring race into it, but it rings hollow, because it just isn't true. |
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except for trippling our national debt his first year in office....yeah a GREAT job...because EVERYONE knows the way out of debt is to make your money worth less and spend more! WOW!! Those are some good "talking points", did you get those from Fox or Rush bc they are the only right leans programs that have been saying that forever now. Obama has done everything that he has promised so far. Putting a deadline on getting our troops out of Iraq, helping our vets by signing a bill into law today, making everything transparent,he gave 95% a tax break and the list goes on. I just don't understand the hate...maybe we as a nation may not have been ready for the 1st black prsident...IDK? Oh, this is going to be fun ... First of all, the tripling of the budget deficit is not a "talking point", it's a reality. The budget deficit will at minimum be $1.4T this year, which is triple the deficit of the last Bush budget. If you don't know that, then you need to get your head out of the sand and start paying attention. As far as the promises you mentioned ... the original talk of a 16-month troop withdrawal (which, if implemented during Obama's first month in office, would have had us out of there by summer of 2010) has more than doubled, leaving many troops there until the end of 2011. He also said that the one of the reasons we would do that is so that we could focus more on Afghanistan. Now he's giving signals that he's not even going to do that. Making everything transparent? That would be hilarious, if it weren't for the fact that you seem to actually believe it has happened. There has been no transparency whatsoever, not that it's a surprise to many of us. Government isn't interested in their own transparency, no matter who's in charge. Just as an example, though, the big O specifically said that the people were going to have five days to read ALL bills BEFORE they would be voted on in Congress. Not only have the PEOPLE not had five days, the CONGRESS hasn't even had five days to read some of the bills that they've been commanded to vote on, even when the bills are over 1000 pages long! What tax break did he give to 95% of Americans? Are you talking about the $7 and change per week (to singles), which itself was still subject to all taxes once it was back in your paycheck? Wow, what is anyone going to do with all that money? Besides, once he lets the previous REAL tax cuts expire, it will amount to a net increase in taxes, so that was all a smoke-and-mirrors claim anyway. I tried to find something about the bill you mentioned. Please feel free to provide a link to a detailed article about the bill that helps veterans. While I certainly cannot speak for anyone that I don't know, I can tell you that my opposition to anything that is going on with this administration is purely ideological. That is also true for the people I know personally who are opposed to the things happening over the last several months. You seem to want to bring race into it, but it rings hollow, because it just isn't true. For my 2nd WOW!!! Damn I have top apologize to the previous post bc it is YOU that has all the "talking points" down to a science. Obama is doing nothing but trying...more than what I can say about YOUR almight G.Bush. He has been in office for a bit over 9months and has done and tried more than his predecessor. Yes, to some it was only $7 but to others that happen not to be as fortunate as yourself that 7 bucks is 2 or 3 trips on the bus to get to work, a toll fro a bridge, a free lunch for the day, maybe a couple of lunches for a kid in a school program. Sorry that you don't see making a promise no matter would small in your eyes might be equal to anything. As for transparency he has put some things on the net but, really if he put everything on there the Right would say that he is wasting tax payers money on that. He can't win at all bc the right want to see negative in all of his doing and trying. He is working on healthcare for all and saving money by putting the records on computer inside of paper, he is starting to control wallstreet besides wallstreet controlling us. Remember it's mainstreet that matters. As for what he signed today...I'll get back to you on that one. As for the war that BUSH started he is trying to keep democracy over in Iraq bc he realizes letting the troops go home too early will only cause the problems that once were...again. The troops have a date to come home unlike Bush who had an indefinite timetable. And honestly if you think that race doesn't play a roll you either "have your head in the sand" or playing the P.C game. |
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I personally dont feel anyone can do as poorly as Bush did. I could be wrong or right when its over, but as of now, I dont think BUSH had nearly as much to 'fix' in his first nine months,,Clinton left a surpluse and we were in pretty good shape. Comparing the two presidents at this point is certainly comparing apples and oranges. While I am definitely not a proponent of Bush, I think some of the criticism that is heaped on him by others is motivated by something other than the truth. [Not saying you fall into that category, msharmony, just making the point.] The figure that is generally used to show how Bush mucked things up is the 10-year projection from the CBO. The problem with that projection is, it assumes that everything remains unchanged. In case you've forgotten, there was a bit of an incident less than eight months into Bush's Presidency that changed things ... just a little. |
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.... In case you've forgotten, there was a bit of an incident less than eight months into Bush's Presidency that changed things ... just a little. 
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.... In case you've forgotten, there was a bit of an incident less than eight months into Bush's Presidency that changed things ... just a little. Yea and he mucked that event up majorly with the exception of upping homeland security which is the only reason that we haven't had another attack yet. |
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.... In case you've forgotten, there was a bit of an incident less than eight months into Bush's Presidency that changed things ... just a little. Yea and he mucked that event up majorly with the exception of upping homeland security which is the only reason that we haven't had another attack yet. I will politly disagree with you on this one... |
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We survived Bush. The way this presidency is going, it looks like we are going to be a part of a socialistic muslim radical society within the next 4 years. He closed Quantanimo, released terrorists,appologized to arabic countries, negotiated with terrorists, and flew a plane over NYC so his daughter could take pictures. Oh, and he also took back everything he said during his campaign, and did the opposite. I'm a soldier, and I can honestly say, I felt better serving this country under Bush. |
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We survived Bush. The way this presidency is going, it looks like we are going to be a part of a socialistic muslim radical society within the next 4 years. He closed Quantanimo, released terrorists,appologized to arabic countries, negotiated with terrorists, and flew a plane over NYC so his daughter could take pictures. Oh, and he also took back everything he said during his campaign, and did the opposite. I'm a soldier, and I can honestly say, I felt better serving this country under Bush. I think we need to quit p*ssy footing around and just send a gang of people over not 30,000 but 300,000 and just get it done and over with we are not sending enough men at a time in my opinion. but that's just my opinion. You want to end a fight of 2 on 3? make it 2 on 30.... |
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