Hmmmm. We could practice sneaking up on people at mingle! Those who were not surprised must be intuitive.

You mean those who don't read this thread? (because you just cautioned the rest of Minglers about your sneaking up on them! Thus, you inadvertently contaminated the survey with your advance notice... Shame on you, dear!

Naa! They have short memories.

Therefore, it pays reading the thread from the beginning, rather then answering just the last post, and trying to enlighten us with, frankly, the obvious experience!!!
Nevertheless, your input is appreciated, and I expect you to contribute to the endeavor of "cracking the enigma", once you familiarize yourself with the previous posts...


Well, you’ve initiated a discussion on a topic that is a mystery to you. And frankly, watching you spin your wheels is exhausting.
Yes, I read your initial ramble… ”It is”, “It isn’t” - “it’s defined as, “but it’s doubtful”, back and forth, on and on. Seemed you couldn’t quite make up your mind. And trying to buckle it down to a solid mechanism is useless. It’s not an enigma to everyone.

And once I read through some of your egotistical insults to others, I decided your opinions weren’t worth reading any further.

On the contrary, it pays to show honorable consideration to others if you want to be taken seriously. And most importantly, it pays to show respect, if you want respect.

Carry on Princess Grace. The stage is yours my dear~

Donaya:

Two words for ya!

Unconscious perception.



Enigma solved.

Subconscious perception is more accurate.

("un" means "not.") That means NOT conscious. If you are NOT conscious, you would be hard pressed to perceive anything.

Sub means "below or beneath" Subconscious simply means below the conscious level of awareness.

(I use the term "below" knowing that it is a relative term that needs a reference point. The reference point is human consciousness in the waking state.)

We have covered the "beneath consciousness" aspect of intuition in great detail. If the subject dealt with what kind of wood is under the tarp, but never being able to raise and take a peek, the problem would be solved. However the workings of the human mind are far more complex and involve actions and senses of which we know little.



We barely understand neural net processing and have little understanding of the way the human brain slips into and out of paying attention to the train coming to run over us, the ant biting our foot, the hunger in our bellies, and the hot chick in the tight skirt ... all at the same time. Something has to give and the conscious/unconscious ebb and flow not only keeps us alive, it keeps us sane.

The nineteenth century was filled with quacks who used the fourth dimension to fold space and explain how we were in contact with other dimensional beings. Much of this fraudulant behaviour was dismissed but some was hard to explain away. Now, as the math behind multidimensional space is being worked out and the possibilities are put into a different light, ghosts and knowledge of the future seem more possible with a scientific explanation.

Regardless to whether or not the mind is capable of doing any more than that of which we are currently aware (some chance?) processes and abilities may exist in unheard of ways to explain some of the aspects of what we now call intuition.

Thank you CreativeSoul, JeanieBean, and MetalWing!

Now THAT’S efficient effort worth reading! Simple, fluent, and useful.

Your exactly right concerning the prefix. I do not consider that kind of perception to be a lower form of conscious processing. Although I disagree with Jung on the transcendental mystical aspect in his model of the mind, his explaination of what the unconscious contents are is spot on.

Call it what you like, though.

Thank you.

I figure there is an actual reason for the two different words and that they do not mean the same thing.

my intuition is telling me that intuition is just a feeling you get based on your experience of similar situations.....

*** s1owhand, judging from your definition, you rely on your reason too much, and that has nothing to do with Intuition...

As I mentioned to Donaya,
INTUITION {I} (a gut feeling/instinct, a hunch, a 6th sense) IS a hidden resource that most of people seem to possess, but apparently don’t employ on a regular basis as, for instance, reading, writing, speaking. All of those activities are intellectual in nature -- rooted in Thinking. Consequently, an {I} must have something in common with Intellectual capability and/or Knowledge (?) However, it isn’t exactly appear to be the Knowledge in itself (i.e. a learnt, stored Information), but rather an AWARENESS of the Information which hasn't been stored and/or learnt previously! (although, it’s doubtful whether perceiving anything is possible without at least an idea of what the Information is about...-- thus, some familiarity with the subject matter would be necessary!) Nevertheless, {I} is not the same as Knowledge! ***In fact, even the dictionary defines Knowledge and Reason as ANTONIMS to Intuition (which is defined as “The act or faculty of knowing or sensing without the use of rational processes; immediate cognition of something not evident or deducible ”)!!! ...etc.

If you're really interested in the matter, it wouldn't hurt familiarizing yourself with the topig from the very beginning, rather than speaking with the foot in your mouth!!!

Donaya:

Oh really? In that case -- if that's so "simple, fluent, and useful" -- would you care enlightening us -- WHAT IS IT THAT YOU FOUND SO simple, fluent, and useful? ? ?

Considering the FACT that neither CreativeSoul, or JeanieBean, or even MetalWing undestand Exactly What/How/Why Intuition is -- except of some background definitions -- I wonder what did you find so simple (not to mention fluent and useful???)

creativesoul:

Hm, as a "working definition" (i.e. a starting point) I suppose it can be accepted... Care to elaborate on it???

Jeannibean:
Nevertheless, in this (Psychology) particular context, "UNcoscious" means "INVOLUNTARY", rather than "Not conscious" (though I like your logical train of thoughts...)

Joe, thank you very much for your phylosophical essay!(with an abstract pic and a diagram) -- quite impressive! In fact, so impressive that Donaya's gotten enlightened:

Although, personally, I'm still in the dark!!!

Nevertheless, keep up the good work -- EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS!!!
________________________ Thank you!!!

You know perfectly well I am a hard science person by profession. The brain/mind is mostly a mystery to me. It is also mostly a mystery to everyone else too. However, I did have a minor in physiology. It's fun to explore.

During World War II, just before the Battle of Midway, Admiral Yamamoto said "I sense danger". He was in a situation that, not only had he never been in, no one else had ever been in either. He had at least a two to one advantage in all areas of firepower and still managed to lose the battle.

This thread wouldn't be here if you didn't make it so.

...etc.

If you're really interested in the matter, it wouldn't hurt familiarizing yourself with the topig from the very beginning, rather than speaking with the foot in your mouth!!!


i still think that intuition is a form of unconscious reasoning. it is a way that we recognize a pattern of events subconsciously producing a vague rather than specific feeling of familiarity or warning based on non-specific stimulus. i agree that it is not reasoned. but there is subconscious rationale. search your feelings and you will know.

s1owhand:
In that case, everything could be swept under the rug of unconscious reasoning -- even the Extra Sensory Perception!