Topic: _I_N_T_U_I_T_I_O_N - cracking the enigma...
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Thu 12/17/09 12:38 AM
. . . Nevertheless, even the photo is sufficient (65%+) for the more-or-less accurate estimation...

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Thu 12/17/09 09:00 AM

Actually, this is a greate site for the Intuition practicing! Replying to the posts of the others', your, actually, using your intuition in response to the way you perceive and interpret somebody's posts.

The major source of arguments isn't about the posts' topig, but about the intended meaning!!!

A major drawback is not everybody have access to the internet-Camera -- for the added benefit of getting some feedback from the facial expression...


Good observation. But the written word can tell a lot. It might ever be better for testing intuition. Facial expressions can be deceiving.

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Fri 12/18/09 12:24 AM
Right you ARE, of course -- especially with the Internet camera!

Certainly, for testing intuition (i.e. training period), I-camera may not be necessary...

Yet, in a "face-to-face" conversation, that's a very telling cue!

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Fri 12/18/09 06:27 AM

Right you ARE, of course -- especially with the Internet camera!

Certainly, for testing intuition (i.e. training period), I-camera may not be necessary...

Yet, in a "face-to-face" conversation, that's a very telling cue!


No doubt about that. Volumes has been written about the interpretation of human expression. Some just for playing poker. However, a focus on the written word gives a unique window into the soul that, over time, paints a picture.

This window shows a different view than the one seen by, say, a shrink, who listens to speech patterns and closely observes facial expressions. Of course they are not looking for intuition either.

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Fri 12/18/09 12:17 PM
now i have not read every single post however i have been kicking around a thoery. which i am sure has been said here or else where.

just like animals know what there prey is. or how to swim. or how to fly. these things have been encoded into there dna. so in thoery. we could have ther same thing. its possible that that gut feeling could be the information could be written onto our dna. so lets say i have a nack for making a sword. now i personaly did not have any formal trainning in blacksmithing. but maybe way back when somone did.

some people are natural athletes while others of us. have been give a differnt path. why is this? we can fight it but somewhere deep inside we know things that we should not.

if this is true then its possible that we could be connected to god if he exisited which could mean deep inside of ourselfs we have the information of the cosmos. would be fun if true.

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Fri 12/18/09 04:29 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Fri 12/18/09 04:32 PM
Biohazard:
deep inside of ourselfs we have the information of the cosmos.

Actually, you might be quite right: at least "Hypnotic Age Regression" allows the person's regressing into past lives. Yet, as far as I know, nobody has ever attempted regressing far enough... Besides, it would be quite difficult locating a direct descendant of the person who's been aware of the cosmos at the prehistoric times!..
Certainly, most of the biological data and inherent instincts -- including the intuitive abilities -- are encoded in the DNA of all the species (including the humans). However, most of them remain dormant in our subconsciousness until awakewned by training and/or practice...(and, in that respect, the humans aren't much different from the animals!) For that reason, the university education is very siutable for tapping into the person's inherent talents -- by exposing people to the wide varyety of subjects, allowing them selecting the major subject of interest in the process. (doesn't always guarantee the correct choice, though)

However, that's not the only mode of discovering one's True Calling! Some people are lucky in following their distinct inner voice, i.e. experiencing the need of applying the inborn skill, or ability.. (like your having a nack for making a sword without any formal trainning in blacksmithing.) Nevertheless, it would be hard to say whether that nack has been passed on to you, or not: you might want to research your family's history... (Besides, you have to decide whether that sort of the trade would earn you a living in modern times, or is that just a side hobby???)

In any case, I wish you good luck in finding your True Calling!!!

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Fri 12/25/09 03:12 AM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Fri 12/25/09 03:53 AM
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I do not pretend to be an expert on the topig, just curious enough
for dwelling a bit deeper into the subject matter of Intuition.

As far as I know (i.e. remember from the intoductory course of Psychology),
our conscious mind (i.e. the normal waking state of mind of a person) draws a lot from our Subconsciousness -- which is the mode of life which occurs below the level of our conscious awareness, i.e. occurring without conscious perception (which is why it is not immediately available to most/all of us). It is the medium which connects all mental activities. (It is a vast treasure house of memory, experience, knowledge and wisdom. ). Subconsciousness controls our bodily functions and growth. It has perfect memory. It controls all forms of life below that of human self-conscious awareness. It is receptive and thus subordinate to self-consciousness -- it is amenable to suggestion.
(or, as defined in Google,
a state of mind not immediately available to consciousness)

(which means it is available to conscious mind, though not immediately, but usually through the meditation, or under Hypnosis.) For that reason, the practice of Hypnosis is often employed by some of the best medical professionals as the most effective and the least intrusive trearment of various psycho-phisical ailments via only Words, i.e. suggestions! (Mind is capable of healing itself!)

___The reason it is not widely publicised and used is that (beside of requiring extensive training) not every person possesses enough of character traits to practice it. * Also, Hypnosis is a fairly cheap kind of treatment that doesn't require lots of medicine -- which, by itself, undermines FDA's authority! But that's another topig altogether, and is beyond the scop of this post... ____

Nevertheless, as I was saying, Subconsciousness is the uniting and connecting medium which directs all of the mental processes. The most basic function of subconsciousness is Memory management:
for that reason, a person in a hypnotic trance is capable of recalling the details of blocked or long forgotten memories -- such as, for example, the details of the childhood or even those of past lives! (I'm sure you must've seen it in the movies, where the police, i.e. a medical professional, is inducing a state of trance for the purpose of discovering some blocked/with-held information...)

Sure would be nice tapping into that enormous resource at will -- whenever one desires! And that is where Intuition comes in -- as a way of conecting with Subconsciousness. However, for most of people, it happense quite involuntarily -- just as an enlightment! Nevertheless, if intuitive thoughts are possible, it means that tapping into the Subconsciousness is Consciously possible(???????????)
And yet, neither should be used separately -- both should be used at the same time. They supplement each other. The conscious and the subconscious minds are as two sides of the same coin. (although some specialists maintain that Intuition cannot be invoked, like the will to think. Rather it requires a very passive and receptive state of suspended mental and physical activity which in itself is hard to attain -- except of meditation or Hypnosis)

Edison said: "As I analyze my reactions to thoughts and ideas which appear in my mind, I feel that the fact that I have an idea is proof that the same Source that gave me the idea will also show me how to work it out."

The lower levels of the subconscious contain that which has been placed there by heredity, by the suggestions of others, and by our own conscious experiences. From what we learn from dream and trance states we know that this subconscious territory has access to knowledge by other than just by conscious means. It is this kind of knowledge which, when it makes its way into consciousness, we sometimes recognize by its emotional power and unexpectedness, and call it intuition. *** It is not contrary to reason but is beyond ordinary reason. This is the source of enlightenment, genius and inspiration. Often, when preoccupied wih the problem, we keep on probing various solutions -- problems may be given over to the inner mind in the form of definite assignments. The best time to do this is just before going to sleep because the subconscious works best when the conscious mind is not functioning. * * *
In a manner of speaking, the subconscious mind is just as conscious, just as capable of perceiving and thinking, as the objective mind is. INTUITION is a response to the queuery you form in your mind:
--->>> You should formulate in your conscious mind a clear idea of the mental task to be performed, and should reason out why such and such a course appears to be desirable. You should perceive it in general outline and also should form a clearly defined notion of just what task you wish to have accomplished -- just what kind of work you want to be performed for you. Then bathe it in the emotion of strong desire, which is the driving force of the subconscious. You must give your problem to the subconscious in the form of definite assignments -- this can only be done successfully after you have assembled all the facts, figures, arguments and other information essential to the problem. The subconscious "cooking" process begins by first focusing the mind on this information long enough and intently enough to get it thoroughly "heated" with the best thinking we can give it consciously.
Nevertheless, both modes of mental activities do not function simultaneously. When we go to sleep, it is really only our conscious mind that "retires" or suspends operations; and the subconscious then "wakes up", so to speak. Each of these two minds comes into prominence in direct proportion to the degree of passivity of the other. Sometimes, in the wakeful state, the subconscious temporarily takes over the reins, as in the case of an emergency, where the life of the body is imperiled. It can think much faster, does not have to follow the laborious steps of a reasoning process to know what to do, and is better adapted to direct the body when quick action is necessary. In such cases we often find that we are imbued with superhuman strength and endurance and accomplish feats that we never dreamed were possible. Afterwards, we often remark that we didn't seem to be thinking at all-we just did the right thing automatically.

Ordinarily, however, the subconscious does not take over the driver's seat until the conscious mind relinquishes it. The only time the conscious mind completely relinquishes control is when it goes to sleep. Thus in sleep the subconscious is able to act on its own without interference, and sleep becomes the ideal physical and mental state for subconscious meditation.

However, since the suggestions are implanted by the conscious mind, and the conscious mind is not active during sleep, the problem arises as to how suggestions can then be given. This is not as tricky as it seems. The conscious thoughts act as suggestions to the subconscious. The last thought held by the conscious mind before going to sleep will be the last suggestion received by the subconscious. Therefore before you go to bed you should have your suggestion worded in simple language and memorized, so that it will require no effort to repeat it. The conscious faculties will tend to remain awake if too much effort is required. * * *

To get ideas while asleep, prepare your mind well for them. The mental bath is more necessary than the physical one. Cleanse away the rasping fears and worries and the discordant, discouraging influences that may have been at work during the day, and substitute for them, pleasant, cheerful, serene thoughts. *** Never take your worries to bed with you. Stay up with them as long as necessary. Pace the floor with them, take them out for a walk, go to the movies with them. Give them your companionship as long as you wish. But don't take them to bed. There are special techniques for worrying effectively, but they positively do not include worrying in bed.

If you want to make the most of your sleeping hours, go to bed in a state of emotional serenity. Then calmly review the problem to be solved. To solve a problem, you have to organize all possible information about it. Then digest this information. This is a subconscious process, like digesting your food. You give your body the food and it does the rest. Similarly, give your mind the food and it does the work. >>Oddly enough, if you don't give your mind a specific job to do, it will work anyway, but without purpose; and the result is a confusion of senseless dreams. *

This process of employing the subconscious mind during sleep does not in any way impair the value of the sleep. In fact if you are calm and in a hopeful frame of mind, your sleep will be benefited by this subconscious activity. As you lie in bed, assume a relaxed position. Remove your conscious will from your muscles and let go of everything. There is always a kind of dreamy, half awake, half asleep state which is the transition between wakefulness and sleep, during which the subconscious is taking over the controls from the conscious mind.

For relaxation is the key to the door of the subconscious mind. The subconscious mind works best when we are doing what we like best to do.

Inner growth, or soul growth, depends upon quiet, silence and peaceful contemplation. It then becomes possible to become aware of essentials and to see otherwise hidden values in passing scenes and situations.
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Fri 12/25/09 11:27 AM
Nice post.

Subconscious and conscious are like computer ram and stored memory. The ram memory is up front and is being used to operate current running programs. The other space or memory is to store information to be used when ever you want.

Like tools. I have a huge amount of tools, but the tools I use are the ones out in front of me. When I am finished with those tools I put them away with the other tools. I get out only the tools I need now to do a job. If I had all of my tools out, I would have a confused mess to deal with.

The subconscious is there to be accessed when ever you want. You have only to direct your thoughts to the thing you want or need.




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Sat 12/26/09 12:46 AM
Jeannie: The subconscious is there to be accessed when ever you want. You have only to direct your thoughts to the thing you want or need.

I wish I could exclaim, "WOW, you got it, girl!!!" -- which I won't out of respect... But your definitely on the right track!
The only obstacle, as you pointed out, is directing your thoughts precisely to the thing you want or need -- which is not a simple task to accomplish, since certain preparations are required, i.e. formulating the queuery, relaxing your mind, and assembling all the facts, figures, arguments and other information essential to the problem... Yet, the most difficult task would be keeping your mind from wandering!!!

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Sat 12/26/09 07:26 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 12/26/09 07:28 AM

Jeannie: The subconscious is there to be accessed when ever you want. You have only to direct your thoughts to the thing you want or need.

I wish I could exclaim, "WOW, you got it, girl!!!" -- which I won't out of respect... But your definitely on the right track!
The only obstacle, as you pointed out, is directing your thoughts precisely to the thing you want or need -- which is not a simple task to accomplish, since certain preparations are required, i.e. formulating the queuery, relaxing your mind, and assembling all the facts, figures, arguments and other information essential to the problem... Yet, the most difficult task would be keeping your mind from wandering!!!


Directing your thoughts is the job of the WILL. Use your will to direct your thoughts.

Yes our minds do tend to wander and get distracted. This is why people who are obsessed with something tend to succeed more than people who are not obsessed. It is because being somewhat obsessed, their minds don't wander off in different directions. They are focused.

I'm not saying that being obsessed is a good thing. tongue2 But it sure helped me to complete an 80 card tarot deck in three months.

Focus, passion, determination, belief, and good feelings about your goal also help. But INTENTION (to have it) is one of the most important ingredients which is sometimes crucial to getting the thing you want.


But you are talking more about the law of attraction (the secret) than you are talking about intuition.



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Sat 12/26/09 07:31 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sat 12/26/09 07:39 PM
But you are talking more about the law of attraction (the secret) than you are talking about intuition.

Sorry, but I'm not that familiar with the LOA to be talking about it. Perhaps the subjects coinside at some points -- maybe both of the subjects even referrence the same matter... In that case, why camouflage Intuition with something "scientific" as The Law of Attraction??? (LOA)

Besides, the phrase, "The Secret", is not reserved only to LOA, but is a general phrase used for revealing the essence of the subject matter.

Perhaps "Obsession" is too strong of a word. I'd rather call it a
"passionate focused determination" (as you suggested). And that would be
the same as INTENTION or purpose (if I'm not mistaken).

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Wed 12/30/09 11:16 PM
The Intuitive Mind is a Sacred Gift and the Rational Mind is a faithful servant.
We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the Gift
....Albert Einstein


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Thu 12/31/09 12:58 AM
I've haven't read the whole thread... but I'm reading a work of fiction by Stanislaw Lem (who tends to keep his science accurate) about a man with a 'split brain'.

I wonder if 'that which some of us experience as intuition' could be different non-verbal regions of the brain (or mind?), trying to share their non-verbal conclusions with the verbal portion of the brain (or mind?)...while the verbal portion is the part we more strongly identify as 'self' . This is half-baked, and by no means do i think this would account for all of 'intuition'...

The book is titled "Peace on Earth" (they just moved the warfare to the moon...), and its awesome.


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Thu 12/31/09 03:09 AM

But you are talking more about the law of attraction (the secret) than you are talking about intuition.

Sorry, but I'm not that familiar with the LOA to be talking about it. Perhaps the subjects coinside at some points -- maybe both of the subjects even referrence the same matter... In that case, why camouflage Intuition with something "scientific" as The Law of Attraction??? (LOA)

Besides, the phrase, "The Secret", is not reserved only to LOA, but is a general phrase used for revealing the essence of the subject matter.

Perhaps "Obsession" is too strong of a word. I'd rather call it a
"passionate focused determination" (as you suggested). And that would be
the same as INTENTION or purpose (if I'm not mistaken).


Well the "law of attraction" is just a term for the process you are describing which has been described my many different authors in many different ways. Not sure it I would call it intuition though.

For me, intuition is a 'knowing' that is had by means other than the five senses that we normally think of. It is more like 'being psychic' or 'having a feeling or vision.."


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Thu 12/31/09 04:08 AM
I think it's interesting how female intuition is generally stronger with body language, reading vibes, and knowing what someone is thinking while men are generally stronger with physical intuition.
I think it is millions of years of life experience written in our dna.
Most people can't make tangibal thoughts out of these instincts because they rely too much on what they have been recently taught in their own life time. I think that children and animals are much more intuitive then adults. They have to be in order to survive and quickly learn.
This has probably already been talked about and picked apart in the 7 pages on this forum but this is an interesting subject and I wanted to add my 2 cents.

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Sun 01/03/10 09:31 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 01/03/10 09:37 PM
Oh yeah, climber83, you might've definitely climed the right ladder --
Most people can't make tangibal thoughts out of these instincts because they rely too much on what they have been recently taught in their own life time
-- which, often, describes the male mode of thinking...

Even though children and animals are much more intuitive then adults, they lack the ability of verbalizing their ideas -- especially animals, LOL! (and children's tantrums are often misinterpreted as just that, a tantrum)

While most of men tend to rely upon what they know (or what they have been recently taught), i.e. logic, they tend to disregard the "hints" comming from their intuitive thinking -- casting them aside as "wishful thinling".
Some women, however, aren't as burdened with logic, as men, and are therefore more opened to those intuitive hints! (there might actually be a benefit in being an "air-head", LOL!!! (though, it is unlikely an "air-head" could recognize the value of those hints...)

Have you ever seen what happens to pets just prior to some natural disaster? (for no apparent reason, they become restless and noizy, especially the dogs -- warning their owners...)

P.S. I'm quite greatful for your 2 cents! And don't worry about repeating whetever's been already mentioned previously:
Intuition really works in mystrious ways, i.e. you might read the same idea over and over many times, and yet, when presented in a different way, the same idea might light the candle of Eurika in your mind!!!

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Mon 01/04/10 09:34 AM
I definitely agree that men are generally more grounded on logic more so than women, I guess that's why the coupling works so well. (or is supposed to)

It makes sense that a woman's intuition is stronger because she is built to have other souls in her body. She would need the intuition to know what her baby needs.

Not to say that there aren't logical women or intuitive guys, but that seems to be the way it leans.

I'm not sure if being an "air-head" would improve your 6th sense
unless you consider dreamers to be air-heads.
I always took the term to mean lacking brain activity and intuition is definitely a brain active function.





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Mon 01/04/10 12:31 PM
If one considers evolutionary pressure and go back twenty or thirty thousand years to "hunter gatherer" times.

The female was the gatherer (mostly) and the caregiver and protector of the small children, for obvious reasons. The process is similar to many types of animals today who communicate as they hunt for food and watch their young. All senses are alert for danger and many parts of the brain must be active to communicate, listen for signals of children in harm, gather food, etc. This process would reward the ability to use all the abilities of the mind simultaneously to prevent the children from being eaten (and losing that genetic line). This system would reward the use of unconscious processing if helpful.

The man (mostly the hunter) focused to hunt, using much less of his mind but focusing the logic and math portions to locate prey, calculate trajectories of spear travel, etc. Communication could consist of a few grunts and hand signals. Actually, the more verbal communication, the greater chance of scaring away the prey.

Intuition would appear to genetically favor the female as it is generally more useful to avoid being eaten than to find something in particular to eat.

((My intuition says we will find cheeseburgers around this next bend)) Not likely.

((The hair is raising on the back of my neck. I think danger is near!)) More likely.

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Mon 01/04/10 12:47 PM
Metalwing:
((The hair is raising on the back of my neck. I think danger is near!))


For some reason, my intuition (though not yet fully confident) says:
WE WILL OVERCOME...

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Mon 01/04/10 12:59 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Mon 01/04/10 01:00 PM
climber83:
I'm not sure if being an "air-head" would improve your 6th sense ...

LOL, definitely not! But since one of the techniques of getting intuitive requires one relaxing and emptying one's mind, I suppose that would be easier for an "air-head" to accomplish since there isn't much to empty (to begin with)! laugh