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Topic: _I_N_T_U_I_T_I_O_N - cracking the enigma...
mrsheppherd's photo
Fri 02/19/10 01:32 AM
hey guys,

I do believe when you experience something enough times, it is hard-wired into ur brain. So the next time a similar situation occurs, ur brain can just open that history book called "ur life," and skim to the good stuff or the "drama".

Also deja vu, and deja vecu are deeply intertwined into this subject.

Also, not to be sappy but when u have a strong enough emotional connection to someone, there is in fact a bond, or an "empathic something," that you both will be aware of on some conscious level, but without understanding this "philosophy" or whatever, neither of you would know of the bond and it's existence. Now that's a damn shame.

btw, I've yet to read any books on this matter, but if u know any, I'd love to see it.

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Fri 02/19/10 09:06 PM
Thank you, mr sheppherd, for your valuable input -- worth of at least 5 cents... However, Experience is NOT what I consider the Intuition! You better read the whole thread before trying to impress us with your intellectual genius!



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Sat 02/20/10 12:44 AM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sat 02/20/10 12:57 AM
... so, as I mentioned,
The "disinterest" of philosophy in hunches, though, is interesting, since it can be shown that most philosophies themselves derive from someone's hunches. Nevertheless, hunches are among the most widely-shared aspects of our species intuitive faculties and therefore would seem important. And, as well, from some hunches some of humankind's greatest monuments and successes have emerged.

We possess a spectrum of senses which are additional to our physical-5. And it is this spectrum of senses which are grouped together under the venerable terms of "intuition" or "intuitiveness."

***>>> Important note: intuition is composed of sensed feelings which result in the hunches of intellect, for a hunch is a cognitive analysis derived from what has been felt. (i.e. Intuition is a FEELING!!!)

It is therefore of little wonder that there are so many problems regarding the "developing" of one's intuition. If definitions are being used by one's intellect which are inconsistent with the true aspects of intuition, then those mis-definitions will warp one's cognitive biomind grids regarding of what intuition really is.

Intuition always occurs relative to something else --- with the relationship often being felt before it is cognitively understood within the intellect. Those individuals who are reasonably good at spotting-sensing-feeling relationships between things usually have a higher quotient of intuition!!! (thus, most of females are better predisposed to it) -- intuition takes place without the benefits of rational reason.
Indeed, there is hardly such a critter as a "rational intuition." All intuitions are sensed feelings --- and an overly large share of them fly directly in the face of reason and the so-called rational. *** Consequently, modern (science which is based upon pure logic, i.e. reason) rejects Intuition!!! (sense- feeling was inferior to "pure" reason detached from them, and as such was of no scientific or philosophical interest.) All of the human superpowers of biomind, including the many identifiable types of intuition, telepathy, clairvoyance, and remote-viewing are directly based in sense-feelings. And all of them have been stigmatized as nonrational, hence irrational, during the modern age of rationalism dominated by the pure science-fiction goal of "pure" reason.

*** Modern definitions of intuition avoid the inclusion of the feeling-sensing always associated with real intuitive episodes. Thus the modern definitions are inconsistent with virtual intuition, and are hence intellectually misdirecting.

>>>Stanford Research Institute (SRI), Menlo Park, California, which at the time was home to the Remote Viewing project - itself sponsored by the CIA. One of the people with connections to SRI was Judith Skutch, the president and founder of the foundation.

* * * * * A more thorough researcher, Martin Cannon, also promotes this view. In a long monograph titled "The Controllers," he explains the UFO phenomenon as a "screen memory" cover story induced by U.S. intelligence to protect their own mind-control experiments.



Jess642's photo
Sun 02/21/10 04:57 PM
Those that trust their Knowing KNOW...

those that don't........ reach for scientific justification.:angel:


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Sun 02/21/10 09:02 PM
Jess642:

Those that trust their Knowing KNOW...
those that don't........ reach for scientific justification.:angel:

That's quite intuitive, Jess!
I've always suspected the guys at the Stanford are a bunch of UNintuitive fools!!!

However, paraphrasing you --
Those that have something to add to the discussion DO...
those that don't.......... reach for smart-A$$ expressions to conceal their scientific primitivism!
:laughing:

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Sun 02/21/10 10:37 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 02/21/10 10:38 PM
* * * We tend to perceive what we expect to perceive.
This tendency of people to perceive what they expect to perceive is
more important than any tendency to perceive what they want to perceive.

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Sun 02/21/10 10:50 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sun 02/21/10 11:14 PM
Perception is demonstrably an active rather than a passive process; it constructs rather than records "reality".

Perception implies understanding as well as awareness. *** It is a process of inference in which people construct their own version of reality on the basis of information provided through the five senses. ----- i.e. NOT INTUITION!!

SARCAZM points to one's lack of perceptive skills necessary for constructing the proper version of reality that enables one's comprehension of the subject matter!

mrsheppherd's photo
Mon 02/22/10 08:03 AM

Thank you, mr sheppherd, for your valuable input -- worth of at least 5 cents... However, Experience is NOT what I consider the Intuition! You better read the whole thread before trying to impress us with your intellectual genius!





Thanks Jane, btw did u know that sarcasm is the most lowest form of wit know to civilization?

Just a thought.

Have a fundusttIiKck day bigsmile

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Mon 02/22/10 09:14 PM
mrsheppherd:
sarcasm is the most lowest form of wit know to civilization?

Thanx, just as I thought! I mean, Intuitively I sensed that. However, haven't been awared of the precise generalization!

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Mon 02/22/10 09:50 PM
Conjecture:

INTUITION is rooted at the SUBCONSCIOUSNESS(?)

metalwing's photo
Tue 02/23/10 02:01 AM
This website has an interesting video about the history of remote viewing.

http://www.davidmyers.org/Brix?pageID=19

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Tue 02/23/10 09:24 PM
________________________F O R E W A R D___________________

Researchers at the North Western University found that brain is good at storing information that we might not even be aware we know!!!

* * * Lucky Guesses may be more than just Luck
* * *

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Wed 02/24/10 03:55 PM



However, paraphrasing you --
Those that have something to add to the discussion DO...
those that don't.......... reach for smart-A$$ expressions to conceal their scientific primitivism!
:laughing:



Really?

Ok.......yawn

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Thu 02/25/10 11:36 PM
______________METHOD OF INTUITION__(part 1)
. If you want to get guidance from your intuition first decide what it is you want - then ask for an answer. Keep repeating the question. Then tell yourself that you have the answer
Then let go. Don't expect an answer immediately. If you get one in your mind - it's not the answer - it's just your mind and ego playing tricks with you. Let go. Forget about it. The next step is often the most difficult - trust that the answer will come at the right time. as human beings we like to take control of things - we like to know what is going to happen and we want to make things happen. But sometimes you can't - sometimes you just have to be patient and wait for the answer - trusting that it will come at exactly the right time. When it does come - you'll know and you'll follow through.
the message isn't always as clear as we would like it to be. The way intuition speaks to us isn't always easy to understand. But if you keep testing it and keep searching, the answer will become clear. The feeling will be overwhelming. ***The signals will be repeated and clear*** . The messages from other people will be repeated over and over again. Then the message becomes clear. Sometimes you may not understand the message until years later. But it will all make sense at some point - and that point is when the time is right.


creativesoul's photo
Fri 02/26/10 08:32 PM
Intuition being consciously sought after and consciously implemented?

Seems rather curiously counter-intuitive, to me.


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Fri 02/26/10 11:48 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sat 02/27/10 12:36 AM
That's elementary, my dear Watson!
Grasping anything new, at first, requires conscious effort -- thus it better be consciously perceived (although, I'm sure, any fool can do it Subconsciously, LOL!) But once it is perceived (and understood), it becomes automatic and effortless, i.e. implicit.

Your brain can recognize and process things that you aren’t consciously retrieving from your memory. For example, you don’t need to intentionally think about how to get dressed in the morning, nor do you need to consciously go through all the steps necessary to drive from home to work, for example. You automatically do those things because they are routine procedures that are a part of your implicit memory. Implicit memory can influence your actions without your awareness of any mental activation, whereas explicit memory involves active and conscious memory retrieval.

However, the intuition kicks in when you finally get response to your mental queueries: Deciphering all the signs and impressions might (or might not) be a simple task... That's why they call it a hunch (or a gut feeling)!!!

While scientists generally agree that routine tasks are part of implicit memory, they have less confidence about visual recognition. Many work under the premise that recognition is the exclusive domain of explicit memory. While it's true that you must consciously dig through your memories to figure out if you have seen something before, it might be possible for your subconscious to help you identify things without your knowledge — a gut instinct or lucky guess that helped you on an exam could have originated in your implicit memory.
In fact, ditractions during the process of studying might actually stimulate the learning process:
distraction will make it harder for explicit memory storage (but not for implicit memory) .


creativesoul's photo
Tue 03/02/10 07:42 PM
You're using the term 'implicit' in an unfamiliar way to me. To me 'implicit' means implied... underlying meaning... covert...

Whereas openly stated would be overt...

Memory, in my understanding, cannot be implicit in the way you're attempting to describe it.

But hey, I have no idea what intuition is...

laugh :wink: laugh

redonkulous's photo
Tue 03/02/10 08:02 PM
Edited by redonkulous on Tue 03/02/10 08:17 PM
Your driving down the road, your mind is a bit distracted and you think back and cannot remember the details of the road, you know you where aware of the road and the things around you, you would have reacted had a car pulled out, but cannot remember, you where conscious . . . right?
Well if you where conscious did you just forget?
Which thought is more unsettling?

Here is where function and meaning start to get a bit trashed. The word conscious is to blame.

Clearly how memory interacts with ones awareness is something to be fleshed out a bit. Many studies have been done, and offer strange examples of the canny bit of wiring called the mind.

Some studies use flashing lights or taps up the arm, which reveals that sometimes a bit of stimulus might get erased very quickly to make sense of something. Memory and awareness do not live in separate domains the brain mixes and matches in several ways to end up doing what it needs to do, survive in a fast paced world where bricks need to be ducked, something tapping on your arm is probably crawling up it and things flashing in sequence look like solid movement, brown paper trash bags blowing across the street in low light almost always look at first glance like a brown critter running. Evolution has wired us in specific ways to meet the world head on.

The brain works at different levels, different bits of grey matter have specific functions and how each region is wired to its neighbors have a dramatic effect on cognition, this does not imply a separateness however, its the shared regions that seem to active at the same time that makes the bag of tricks of consciousness.

An example is the difference between an image and the concept of the image.

Such as the image of the number 5, the concept of ! ! ! ! ! things such as the 5 exclamation marks, and say the color red.

These are three different things, an image of 5, the concept of 5, and the color red, normal minds deal with it seamlessly.

There are neural conditions where the part of the brain that responds to color is wired into the part that deals in the image reference of numbers, another variation is where the color is mapped to the concept. Many other variations of Synesthesia exist as well.

People with such a state of mind will perceive color when they see a number, perhaps red 5's.

What is also interesting is that in many people who have symptoms of synethesia also tend to deal in metaphor, or concept in different ways, and tend to be more artistic possibly becuase of this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9hy7oOhHxk
This guy is dynamite.

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Tue 03/02/10 10:06 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Tue 03/02/10 10:10 PM
creativesoul:
You're using the term 'implicit' in an unfamiliar way to me


I don't resort to such sinister definitions of implicit as "covert" -- definitely not.
In a more social sense, it simply means:

a) suggested or understood without being directly stated --- (eienglish.org/literms.html)

b) suggested or to be understood though not plainly expressed (Webster's New World Dictionary).---(www.ncpublicschools.org/curriculum/secondlanguages/scos/1999/12glossary)

Therefore, in view of the inprecise premiss, you arrived to the imprecise conclusion:
Memory, in my understanding, cannot be implicit in the way you're attempting to describe it.
------- you mean " the way you thoght I'm attempting to describe it".

As I mentioned earlier, it might be possible for your subconscious to help you identify things without your knowledge — a gut instinct or lucky guess that helped you on an exam could have originated in your implicit memory. (or driving to the corner grocery store from home, and vice-versa)

creativesoul's photo
Wed 03/03/10 09:26 PM
Janestar wrote:

I don't resort to such sinister definitions of implicit as "covert" -- definitely not.

In a more social sense, it simply means:

a) suggested or understood without being directly stated --- (eienglish.org/literms.html)

b) suggested or to be understood though not plainly expressed (Webster's New World Dictionary).---(www.ncpublicschools.org/curriculum/secondlanguages/scos/1999/12glossary)

Therefore, in view of the inprecise premiss, you arrived to the imprecise conclusion:


creative wrote:

Memory, in my understanding, cannot be implicit in the way you're attempting to describe it.


Janestar:

------- you mean " the way you thoght I'm attempting to describe it".

As I mentioned earlier, it might be possible for your subconscious to help you identify things without your knowledge — a gut instinct or lucky guess that helped you on an exam could have originated in your implicit memory. (or driving to the corner grocery store from home, and vice-versa)


Interestingly enough, I did not presuppose the term covert to mean 'sinister'...

covert : not openly shown, engaged in, or avowed

Therefore, I still do not understand how memory can be considered to be implicit. According to both, the definition given by you and the one I had previously in mind, any unspoken thought would be an 'implicit' memory. I can drive down the road without speaking and *still* be completely aware of every move I make - or not.

huh

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