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Topic: _I_N_T_U_I_T_I_O_N - cracking the enigma...
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Fri 01/22/10 10:36 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Fri 01/22/10 10:43 PM
...........................Another Enlightment........................

Foreword: if it was "a peice of cake", anyone could do it..

We are inherently intuitive. The trick to using our intuition more effectively is to bring the unconscious data it supplies to a place where our conscious mind can interpret it, i.e. putting the unconscious process under control! In other words, BECOMMING AWARE OF IT! (and be confident of our awareness)

Because we live in a society that teaches us to distrust anything but visible, tangible, "scientific" logic, however,this ability is trained out of us as we "grow up"! (we learn to repress our intuition) Therefore, we might regain that ability!..
The major problem of recognizing our intuitive enlightments is that Intuition often speaks a different language -- often symbolic and fragmentary... (thanx god, not the language of MABUTU tribe, Africa! laugh) *** Only on rare occasions does it speak in complete sentences... What's more, intuitive knowledge often doesn't make sense, especially when it involves the future. As a result, we train ourselves to dismiss it. Yet, the biggest problem is that, by the time we reach adulthood, our intuition becomes deeply interwoovwn in our thoughts, feelings, knowledge, and seemingly logical decision-making process -- just as logic can be clouded by feelings, Intuition can be clouded by knowledge an logic.
***Thus it is extremely important to learn to control our sensory perception -- starting from the senses of sight, smell, hearing, and even our thoughts and feelings, moods and memories...
Once this everyday "noise" resedes, we can employ our senses to gather intuitive information!!! (THAT'LL BE THE DAY!!!...)

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Sat 01/23/10 12:42 AM


i still think that intuition is a form of unconscious reasoning. it is a way that we recognize a pattern of events subconsciously producing a vague rather than specific feeling of familiarity or warning based on non-specific stimulus. i agree that it is not reasoned. but there is subconscious rationale. search your feelings and you will know.

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s1owhand:

In that case, everything could be swept under the rug of unconscious reasoning -- even the Extra Sensory Perception! laugh


ESP is trivially obvious. An isolated prisoner in total darkness with no sensory input still has perceptions. these are founded on remembered sensations as well as creative new perceptions which arise from the imagination and may be entirely fantastic.

we process all the time whether we have new sensory input or not. i do not find intuition to be enigmatic or puzzling. i find it to be a beautiful part of being a sentient, creative, thoughtful, emotive being. it is a big part of being alive - a big part of being human. we have a greatly developed sense of heightened anticipation and our imaginations can perceive subconsciously possible rewards or dangers that are not explicitly revealed. intuition is great but not a great mystery.

there is no rug sweeping here. just perception, emotion, and imagination.

bigsmile

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Sat 01/23/10 03:15 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sat 01/23/10 03:26 PM
s1owhand:
ESP is trivially obvious. An isolated prisoner in total darkness with no sensory input still has perceptions. these are founded on remembered sensations as well as creative new perceptions which arise from the imagination and may be entirely fantastic.

I presume your speaking from the personal experience??? laugh
A prisoner might retain those "creative new perceptions which arise from the imagination" for a week or two... But then the boredom sets in and expells anything creative! Especially, if one looking at a long term, then Nothing but desperation can fill the prisoner's mind!!!

As for the rest -- Intuition is
a beautiful part of being a sentient, creative, thoughtful, emotive being. it is a big part of being alive - a big part of being human. we have a greatly developed sense of heightened anticipation and our imaginations can perceive subconsciously possible rewards or dangers that are not explicitly revealed
-- I agree with you!

However, what gets me is the fact of that "sense of heightened anticipation" happens in a totally Involuntary manner! (i.e. sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't...)
If it was a simple matter of developing the faculties of perception, emotion, and imagination, then all of perceptive, emotional, and imaginative people should also be automatically Intuitive?!!! Apparently, not necessarily so...
Those qualities might sure help interpreting mysterios intuitive messages -- especially those that concern the future...

*** However, maybe you could explain How/Why Intuition also happens to completely imperceptive, Unemotional, and Unimaginative people???

* * * That's exactly what I'm trying to discover -- whether there's a possibility of harnessing the power of intuition! * * *

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Sat 01/23/10 03:56 PM
The human mind is not like a block of ice. It is not either melted or solid. The mechanics are not simple and subject to straightforward analysis. The fact that intuition is the processes that go on beneath consciousness and bubble to the surface as needed is the trivial solution to the problem.

The real problem is how much of that process do we actually understand and what are the potentials of using more of the brain as a tool as opposed to the amount that we normally use. And does the brain possess any powers which we would classify as extrasensory? If we are to ascribe extrasensory power potential to the human brain, we must start out with the basics and work up.

Does anyone or has anyone ever possessed the ability to know unknowable facts and events? Haw anyone ever seen the future? Has anyone ever read the thoughts of another or gained knowledge about another from a distance? To say that none of these events have ever happened is to discount a very large amount of documented evidence. If it can happen to one human brain, what are the parameters to allow it to happen to any human brain. If it can happen to a large degree to one brain in a million, can it happen to much smaller degree to all brains everyday?

Does anyone think that anyone fully and truly understands the total workings of the human mind including it's latent abilities and potentials?

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Sat 01/23/10 08:13 PM
oh sure, i have experienced ESP (the sort i described above anyway)!

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disagree about the prisoner though. i believe there are many instances of prisoners coming up with a great deal of creativity of various forms....

some of the greatest insights in human thinking appear to have been coincident with long periods of forced introspection. Isaac Newton's long convalescence, Van Gogh's institutionalization...etc.

involuntary? sure! all our higher functions - essential functions are involuntary....breathing...sleeping...dreaming...temperature control...thinking...and intuition.

*** However, maybe you could explain How/Why Intuition also happens to completely imperceptive, Unemotional, and Unimaginative people???


that one is easy. i don't believe there are any "completely imperceptive, unemotional and unimaginative people!" so it doesn't happen to them because they do not exist.

laugh drinker

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Sat 01/23/10 10:22 PM
Edited by JaneStar1 on Sat 01/23/10 10:32 PM
s1owhand:
some of the greatest insights in human thinking appear to have been coincident with long periods of forced introspection. Isaac Newton's long convalescence, Van Gogh's institutionalization...etc.

Yes, it may certainly appear that way, because -- as I mentioned somewhere above -- one of the prerequisites for intuition is, actually, freeing one's mind from the everyday "noise". However, Ituition rarely happens in the vacuum -- the necessary periods of forced introspection are better be preceded with the intensive intellectual activity!

You seem to be content with simply enjoying a beautiful part of being a sentient, creative, thoughtful, emotive being. However, I'm surprized with your resistance to discovery... what

*** As Metalwing mentioned in his post,
Does anyone think that anyone fully and truly understands the total workings of the human mind including it's latent abilities and potentials?

(i.e. I don't remember appointing You an expert!!!)

You, on the other hand, seem to deny any extraordinary (ESP) capabilities of our minds... Whataver you've experienced, could hardly be labeled an ESP! Therefore, for the sake of remaining civil and polite, I'd rather quote Metalwing again:
Does anyone or has anyone ever possessed the ability to know unknowable facts and events? Has anyone ever seen the future? Has anyone ever read the thoughts of another or gained knowledge about another from a distance? To say that none of these events have ever happened is to discount a very large amount of documented evidence. <-<-<-***
If it can happen to one human brain, what are the parameters to allow it to happen to any human brain?
If it can happen to a large degree to one brain in a million, can it happen to much smaller degree to all brains everyday?


laugh drinks laugh

P.S. Ever heard of Remote Viewing? ? ? If your confused about Intuition, RV will simply BLOW YOUR MIND! * * *
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Sun 01/24/10 08:32 AM
hey! i don't claim expertness! nor do i believe that we know anything but the most infinitesimal amount of what there is to know - about anything.

i am extremely open to new experiences and eschew dogma!

i did not deny ESP - i stated that i think it provably exists
but i don't think i am confused about intuition. i have a way of
looking at it that does not confuse me at all.

i'm not very knowledgeable about remote viewing - i've heard
of it and i know that there is a lot of controversy about if it has been reliably demonstrated. (yet).

:smile:

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Sun 01/24/10 12:08 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sun 01/24/10 12:09 PM

hey! i don't claim expertness! nor do i believe that we know anything but the most infinitesimal amount of what there is to know - about anything.

i am extremely open to new experiences and eschew dogma!

i did not deny ESP - i stated that i think it provably exists
but i don't think i am confused about intuition. i have a way of
looking at it that does not confuse me at all.

i'm not very knowledgeable about remote viewing - i've heard
of it and i know that there is a lot of controversy about if it has been reliably demonstrated. (yet).

:smile:
Princeton Enginerring Anomalies Research and Stanford Research Institute have both done experiments in Remote Viewing/Remote Perception.

PEAR: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/remote_perception.html
SRI: http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/CIA-InitiatedRV.html

Determination of reliability is up to you.

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Sun 01/24/10 12:58 PM
there appears to be a great deal of criticism of the pear and sri work in this area;

for example;

http://www.skepdic.com/pear.html

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Sun 01/24/10 01:34 PM
there appears to be a great deal of criticism of the pear and sri work in this area;

for example;

http://www.skepdic.com/pear.html
You're absolutely right. There is criticism of PEAR and SRI research, just as there is with virtually any research.

That's why I said "determination of reliability is up to you".

Personally, I have had first hand experience with remote perception and as far as I'm concerned, observation always trumps logic.

But I totally understand that it is largely dependent on the subjective, so not only is difficult to demonstrate objectively (as was discusssed in the linked document) but it is difficult to even conceive of subjectively, for one who has never experienced anything like it.

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Sun 01/24/10 04:38 PM



ESP is trivially obvious.

... we have a greatly developed sense of heightened anticipation and our imaginations can perceive subconsciously possible rewards or dangers that are not explicitly revealed. intuition is great but not a great mystery.

there is no rug sweeping here. just perception, emotion, and imagination.

bigsmile


Really?

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Sun 01/24/10 04:52 PM
sure!

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Sun 01/24/10 05:04 PM

there appears to be a great deal of criticism of the pear and sri work in this area;

for example;

http://www.skepdic.com/pear.html
You're absolutely right. There is criticism of PEAR and SRI research, just as there is with virtually any research.

That's why I said "determination of reliability is up to you".

Personally, I have had first hand experience with remote perception and as far as I'm concerned, observation always trumps logic.

But I totally understand that it is largely dependent on the subjective, so not only is difficult to demonstrate objectively (as was discusssed in the linked document) but it is difficult to even conceive of subjectively, for one who has never experienced anything like it.


reliability is not merely up to me. reliability is more general. but i have not experienced remote viewing yet. there is very little criticism/disagreement in areas where the research is easily reproduced. such is not the case with remote viewing.

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Sun 01/24/10 09:38 PM
This is a general warning. Please keep replies to the topic or post and not poster(s)

Kim

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Mon 01/25/10 09:50 PM
s1owhand:
but i have not experienced remote viewing yet. there is very little criticism/disagreement in areas where the research is easily reproduced. such is not the case with remote viewing.

IBYP, what do you mean "have not yet.."?
In that case, I strongly recommend you master the RV before you even utter another word!!! No wonder you doubt everything... We simply speak different languages! (i.e. just as the Uninitiated cannot comprehend Initiated ones) * * *

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Wed 01/27/10 09:52 AM
I looked up another definition to compare. Note the lack of "reasoning process" as has been described by some.

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intuition
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in⋅tu⋅i⋅tion
  /ˌɪntuˈɪʃən, -tyu-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-too-ish-uhn, -tyoo-] Show IPA

–noun
1. direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process; immediate apprehension.
2. a fact, truth, etc., perceived in this way.
3. a keen and quick insight.
4. the quality or ability of having such direct perception or quick insight.
5. Philosophy.
a. an immediate cognition of an object not inferred or determined by a previous cognition of the same object.
b. any object or truth so discerned.
c. pure, untaught, noninferential knowledge.

Origin:
1400–50; late ME < LL intuitiōn- (s. of intuitiō) contemplation, equiv. to L intuit(us), ptp. of intuērī to gaze at, contemplate + -iōn- -ion. See in- 2 , tuition

Related forms:
in⋅tu⋅i⋅tion⋅less, adjective
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Link To intuition

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Fri 01/29/10 10:00 PM
LOL!
I hope he realized HOW WRONG HE IS! ! !

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Sat 01/30/10 11:29 AM
A two minute version from a doctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WRmj5uUlyI

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Sat 01/30/10 11:38 AM
I really hate to make fun of anyone ... at least without good reason but I found the following extremely funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc_4XpH8fNo&feature=related

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Sat 01/30/10 12:03 PM
you see, i [just i]knew you were gonna post something like those!

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