This isn't even my thread anymore, the sharks busted in and took ova!!!
LoL!!

of cousre nice guys finish last, i am a perfect example of that statement, there is no myth, sometimes i am to nice and people will take advantage of it.... i just try not to let them do it

nice guys do not finish last!!!! they just choose the wrong woman or girls, who do not appreciate it...and some woman don't knw how to respond to a nice guy, because its foreign to them which in turn actually scares them...

Your sentence speaks volumes. You allow yourself to be taken advantage of. That is YOUR issue. It is not fair to put that off on women.

I am not nice, nor do I want to be. What I am is strong, tough, I have balls and I'm willing to go after what I want. Am I a ***** about it? No. But I am assertive and I can be ***** should I deem it necessary. I am also quite shy, I HATE hurting people's feelings, there's nothing I won't do for the people I love and I willingly allow that sometimes. But I know when to draw the line.

That's the difference between being "nice" and being a fully realized human being.

And they say you are insecure and when you defend yourself they say you show signs of an abuser and use every excuse in the book to reject you. Yes, Nice guys finish last. So you are either a door mat or an "A" hole...there is no gray area or happy medium.

Being nice has nothing to do with letting people walk over you. You can still be nice and grow a pair... just sayin.

Just make sure you grow 'em down low and not up high.

What a horrible attitude to have.

LOL that too.

I personally can't handle a "nice" guy because well I'm not that nice myself. I can be sweet, kind, loyal, caring and understanding but at the same time I won't put up with your ****... get it? I need someone who is strong enough to take what I WILL dish out from time to time when its deserved and not just call me a b!tch when they don't like what I have to say.

Edit: and whining about being a nice guy that nobody wants is just pathetic.

So far is my experience...sorry if the attitude is horrible. Wouldnt have it that way were it not for the games played with my heart by superficial women.

Maybe the attitude is part of the problem?

Sharks are everywhere!

Which is why nice guys don't exist...you can't say you are a nice guy, that is for someone else to say. Kind of odd all of these self-professed "nice guys" and not one person is agreeing they are even nice, much less that it would be the reason they can't find someone.

A: You are going after the wrong people, just because you are attracted to a Barbie does not mean that Barbie should be attracted to you.

B: You cowar and agree with everything she says, no one likes that and it gets quite annoying after awhile. Along with the constant "you are beautiful" or any other statement along those lines that is repeated entirely too much to the point where it is no longer believeable.

C: It is in fact you.

Well said and case closed

wow i didn't realize that so many people would be in attack mode, its quite shocking that people do react that way

I'm learning new stuff about some guys too!

If nice guys/gals are whiny - low self esteem due to abusive relationships demanding control over another or feeling lost and under appreciated & bad guys/gals are selfish/sly/out for themselves/and are desperate too.

If nice guys are last to get in a relationship because of being too whiny. Then it does have a lot to do with insecurities within themselves. I.E. ( not happy with life, things doesn't go your way, pointing blame on others, not facing and learning from their mistakes .

If the guy is bad. It usually gets boring because its the same attitude every time. I.E. arguing/fighting/never changing for the one he/she choose to stay with. Its always been a control issue with those types.

Also if his/her family isn't connecting and their always rude to people (I only notice bad people being rude to others causing problems because they want attention focus on them) Its very rare when bad/good people has any self control or respect over themselves and can earn the respect of everyone else around them.

Then We all feel the negative/un-positive/unsure truth of who to trust, be friends, and who to fall in love with. The only difference between us all is the sex organs.

I know I am me . Everyone can judge in their own way , but the final choice is left up to me! To change or to be respected for who and what I am .

I thank you all for letting me speak my mind on this subject...

I don't know man but I have known some really awesome girls that were dating pure turds which makes me think that some women want to be treated badly. Maybe it is a self esteem issue,but I have had my heart broken over it several times seeing a wonderful person in a toxic relationship like that !!!