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Topic: Man With Assault Weapon near Obama
Seakolony's photo
Tue 08/25/09 05:22 AM
Whenever, nothing further can be said someone always plays the race card. You prove a point against there point and thats just the way it rolls. There were just as many guns there when Bush went. The difference being is that Bush probably picked up the gun and checked out the balance and site.

no photo
Tue 08/25/09 07:02 AM






No keeping it on the DL is what helps perpetrate it. Bringing it out into the open and exposing it for what it is, in all of the guile used to cover it up, it the best thing to happen.


I disagree, most of today's racism comes from lack of substance.

when things don't pan out, play the race card?
when one can't gain employment, play the race card?
when someone doesn't see as the rest, play the race card?
Wondering if I don't win the lotto, whether I can play the card card (granted I don't play lotto)

When all else fails, play the dreaded race card...

remove the race card and see people have to become accountable for their actions, reactions, etc.

jmo



That is white supremacist propaganda that is used to say that racial discrimination doesn't happen and all claims are false. It is used to keep people One from making legitimate claims in fear of being seen this way and Two to keep the power of the discrimination alive.

Racial discrimination happens more often than reported, I have seen it with my own eyes. It is sickening. It is still rampant and it needs to be stopped and the only way to stop it is for all who experience it to charge those who do it.


Ah, one of the chief follies of the left-using coercive force to change negative attitudes. This approach has been thoroughly disproven by a number of people (Gandhi, etc.). If the State's coercive force is removed, people will find a way to get along for themselves. (See this piece by Rothbard about the civil war for more info http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard175.html)


Considering you make no sense here, I will humor you this one time.

Are you stating that if the government is pulled out of enforcing laws to make the world as equal as possible for all involved that the people will then do a better job? If the government had not interfered with the racial unrest in the last 50 years here we would still be in a country with a practical slave issue. So that is not true at all.

If you need to see proof it go down south. The divide is still there and people there treat others without respect over this same issue.

It is like stepping back to a more ignorant time in this country when you go down there. Now there are a few who have grown intellectually enough to not participate in it but for the most part it is ignorance and racial hatred at it's best still.


I have lived in Florida, where there's lots of people from everywhere and racism is alive and well there, though people aren't so brave where there are lots of minorities to say what's on their mind.

In the new town I moved to 3 years ago it IS like having moved back in time. People never grew up. I told one of my Baptist neighbors about the black preacher that prayed for Obama's death. Now this is a woman that goes to church 4 times a week. She said before long we will all wish for his death. I was shocked by her answer though I should not have been. All I could say is.. You too? People here make it very clear they don't like living among minorities. And to have a black president is a slap in their face. For some here being of mixed races is even more insulting. I will never understand it.

When you have seen the ugliness of racism or sexism up close, you know it when you see it or hear it. People here use the N word all the time, as if it meant nothing to anyone but them. They think cussing is the work of the devil, but don't see their prejudice in the same way. I don't believe we ever needed to invent a devil, we do just fine acting like one ourselves.

I think a lot of things have changed for the better but I would never go so far as to say that prejudice no longer exists in a big way.

franshade's photo
Tue 08/25/09 07:37 AM

That is white supremacist propaganda that is used to say that racial discrimination doesn't happen and all claims are false. It is used to keep people One from making legitimate claims in fear of being seen this way and Two to keep the power of the discrimination alive.

Racial discrimination happens more often than reported, I have seen it with my own eyes. It is sickening. It is still rampant and it needs to be stopped and the only way to stop it is for all who experience it to charge those who do it.

No Dragon, that is not white supremacists propaganda (I am just sharing my opinion and by far not a supremacist :wink:), however, by your making that comment can also be construed as a racial remark. Correct?

I know racism exists, just as abusers, pedophiles, rapists, etc. They all exist, they all live to take from others, be it physically or mentally, or just a control factor.

There is nothing on the DL with racism, it is out there, but how many people are going to use it as a get out of jail free card unjustly.

Let's start with our youth and our own behaviors, teach them history, let them know of the struggles but also teach them to accept responsibility for all their actions. Let's take control of the situations and teach by example - but then again I see things the way I see them.


franshade's photo
Tue 08/25/09 07:45 AM
I live in Florida and must say it's just like living in any other state. People are people, people are scared of the unknown, people don't like change, most are complacent and that's what makes any type of change or improvement seem radical and unattainable.

Racism exists everywhere - what would you do to change things? What would your contribution be to put an end to racism?

I say educate people, lead by example - but like Robin always says, what do I know laugh


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Tue 08/25/09 07:57 AM
racism is alive and well, in this country and all over the world. and guess what, white people don't have the market cornered on it. Far from it. I grew up in a highly "diverse" neighborhood and I can't tell you how many times someone called me 'white boy', 'cracker', 'honkey', ' milkweed', 'guero', 'gringo', etc.

Even now, I don't hesitate to mix with people of different color and races. Whenever I'm around mainly hispanics, they usually speak to each other in spanish and typically don't know I can understand near every word they say. They'd probably not talk about the things they talk about if they knew the 'guero' could understand them.

No, racism is alive and well and it's not the sole dominion of white people. people of all kinds and creeds have potential to be racist.

And I find it every bit as racist as burning a cross on someone's front lawn for someone to insinuate that only white people have the capacity for racism or that only 'white' racism really counts as racism..

willing2's photo
Tue 08/25/09 08:11 AM

racism is alive and well, in this country and all over the world. and guess what, white people don't have the market cornered on it. Far from it. I grew up in a highly "diverse" neighborhood and I can't tell you how many times someone called me 'white boy', 'cracker', 'honkey', ' milkweed', 'guero', 'gringo', etc.

Even now, I don't hesitate to mix with people of different color and races. Whenever I'm around mainly hispanics, they usually speak to each other in spanish and typically don't know I can understand near every word they say. They'd probably not talk about the things they talk about if they knew the 'guero' could understand them.

No, racism is alive and well and it's not the sole dominion of white people. people of all kinds and creeds have potential to be racist.

And I find it every bit as racist as burning a cross on someone's front lawn for someone to insinuate that only white people have the capacity for racism or that only 'white' racism really counts as racism..

Tiene razon, Chico.
All racism, whatever race spews it, is just a fear.

franshade's photo
Tue 08/25/09 08:13 AM


racism is alive and well, in this country and all over the world. and guess what, white people don't have the market cornered on it. Far from it. I grew up in a highly "diverse" neighborhood and I can't tell you how many times someone called me 'white boy', 'cracker', 'honkey', ' milkweed', 'guero', 'gringo', etc.

Even now, I don't hesitate to mix with people of different color and races. Whenever I'm around mainly hispanics, they usually speak to each other in spanish and typically don't know I can understand near every word they say. They'd probably not talk about the things they talk about if they knew the 'guero' could understand them.

No, racism is alive and well and it's not the sole dominion of white people. people of all kinds and creeds have potential to be racist.

And I find it every bit as racist as burning a cross on someone's front lawn for someone to insinuate that only white people have the capacity for racism or that only 'white' racism really counts as racism..

Tiene razon, Chico.
All racism, whatever race spews it, is just a fear.

fear, ignorance, and intolerance flowerforyou

Totage's photo
Tue 08/25/09 08:23 AM

This is crazy. They are allowing people to have assault weapons and guns and be near a President.

Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest.

By AMANDA LEE MYERS and TERRY TANG, Associated Press Writers Amanda Lee Myers And Terry Tang, Associated Press Writers – Mon Aug 17, 6:22 pm ET

PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.

Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who monitored the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.

"Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."

Last week, during Obama's health care town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., a man carrying a sign reading "It is time to water the tree of liberty" stood outside with a pistol strapped to his leg.

"It's a political statement," he told The Boston Globe. "If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights."

Police asked the man to move away from school property, but he was not arrested.

Fred Solop, a Northern Arizona University political scientist, said the incidents in New Hampshire and Arizona could signal the beginning of a disturbing trend.

"When you start to bring guns to political rallies, it does layer on another level of concern and significance," Solop said. "It actually becomes quite scary for many people. It creates a chilling effect in the ability of our society to carry on honest communication."

He said he's never heard of someone bringing an assault weapon near a presidential event. "The larger the gun, the more menacing the situation," he said.

Phoenix was Obama's last stop on a four-day tour of western states, including Montana and Colorado.

Authorities in Montana said they received no reports of anyone carrying firearms during Obama's health care town hall near Bozeman on Friday. About 1,000 people both for and against Obama converged at a protest area near the Gallatin Field Airport hangar where the event took place. One person accused of disorderly conduct was detained and released, according to the Gallatin Airport Authority.

Heather Benjamin of Denver's Mesa County sheriff's department, the lead agency during Obama's visit there, said no one was arrested.

Arizona is an "open-carry" state, which means anyone legally allowed to have a firearm can carry it in public as long as it's visible. Only someone carrying a concealed weapon is required to have a permit.

Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said people should not be allowed to bring guns to events where Obama is.

"To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."

He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president.

"In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."

Representatives of the National Rifle Association did not return calls for comment.




I would think there were people around that were making sure nothing bad was going to happen to osama... err, I mean Obama. Just because they're not in plain sight, doesn't mean they're not there. I'm sure the police and other agencies were prepared.

It's not the gun owners that fight for their rights I'm afraid of, but the gun owners that have no rights, those are the real threat.

no photo
Tue 08/25/09 08:39 AM

racism is alive and well, in this country and all over the world. and guess what, white people don't have the market cornered on it. Far from it. I grew up in a highly "diverse" neighborhood and I can't tell you how many times someone called me 'white boy', 'cracker', 'honkey', ' milkweed', 'guero', 'gringo', etc.

Even now, I don't hesitate to mix with people of different color and races. Whenever I'm around mainly hispanics, they usually speak to each other in spanish and typically don't know I can understand near every word they say. They'd probably not talk about the things they talk about if they knew the 'guero' could understand them.

No, racism is alive and well and it's not the sole dominion of white people. people of all kinds and creeds have potential to be racist.

And I find it every bit as racist as burning a cross on someone's front lawn for someone to insinuate that only white people have the capacity for racism or that only 'white' racism really counts as racism..


Who ever said that other people can't be racist?

Logan1976's photo
Tue 08/25/09 04:47 PM


racism is alive and well, in this country and all over the world. and guess what, white people don't have the market cornered on it. Far from it. I grew up in a highly "diverse" neighborhood and I can't tell you how many times someone called me 'white boy', 'cracker', 'honkey', ' milkweed', 'guero', 'gringo', etc.

Even now, I don't hesitate to mix with people of different color and races. Whenever I'm around mainly hispanics, they usually speak to each other in spanish and typically don't know I can understand near every word they say. They'd probably not talk about the things they talk about if they knew the 'guero' could understand them.

No, racism is alive and well and it's not the sole dominion of white people. people of all kinds and creeds have potential to be racist.

And I find it every bit as racist as burning a cross on someone's front lawn for someone to insinuate that only white people have the capacity for racism or that only 'white' racism really counts as racism..


Who ever said that other people can't be racist?
Most of the "other people".

no photo
Tue 08/25/09 06:28 PM



racism is alive and well, in this country and all over the world. and guess what, white people don't have the market cornered on it. Far from it. I grew up in a highly "diverse" neighborhood and I can't tell you how many times someone called me 'white boy', 'cracker', 'honkey', ' milkweed', 'guero', 'gringo', etc.

Even now, I don't hesitate to mix with people of different color and races. Whenever I'm around mainly hispanics, they usually speak to each other in spanish and typically don't know I can understand near every word they say. They'd probably not talk about the things they talk about if they knew the 'guero' could understand them.

No, racism is alive and well and it's not the sole dominion of white people. people of all kinds and creeds have potential to be racist.

And I find it every bit as racist as burning a cross on someone's front lawn for someone to insinuate that only white people have the capacity for racism or that only 'white' racism really counts as racism..


Who ever said that other people can't be racist?
Most of the "other people".


Oh shush! tongue2

Totage's photo
Tue 08/25/09 11:25 PM
Everybody tastes the same, why be racist? I don't undertand the whole concept of racism. Oh well... Now I'm hungry.

franshade's photo
Wed 08/26/09 05:25 AM
I find that mentality amusing, it's not me nor my actions - it's you, it's them, it's the man, it's the govt, it's the feds, they all want to keep me/us down. :laughing:

It's always someone other than us.

flowerforyou

TJN's photo
Wed 08/26/09 06:46 AM

I find that mentality amusing, it's not me nor my actions - it's you, it's them, it's the man, it's the govt, it's the feds, they all want to keep me/us down. :laughing:

It's always someone other than us.

flowerforyou

LOL good point.
My ex brother-in-law used to allways blame the cops for his troubles.(damn police kept stoping him from his illegal ways) noway

franshade's photo
Wed 08/26/09 06:47 AM


I find that mentality amusing, it's not me nor my actions - it's you, it's them, it's the man, it's the govt, it's the feds, they all want to keep me/us down. :laughing:

It's always someone other than us.

flowerforyou

LOL good point.
My ex brother-in-law used to allways blame the cops for his troubles.(damn police kept stoping him from his illegal ways) noway

:laughing:

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Wed 08/26/09 10:05 AM
I see nothing wrong with it. I carried my 1911 when I went to the Tea Party here in Richmond, and if given the chance I would carry around the President as well. It's my right as an American to do so and by God I'll do it. I won't stand by anyone/anything that barrs me from practicing my rights so long as I am not hurting anyone.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Wed 08/26/09 10:09 AM

I see nothing wrong with it. I carried my 1911 when I went to the Tea Party here in Richmond, and if given the chance I would carry around the President as well. It's my right as an American to do so and by God I'll do it. I won't stand by anyone/anything that barrs me from practicing my rights so long as I am not hurting anyone.


qft! You've struck on natural rights here, which all liberals worth their salt should understand. This whole to-do about a non-State gun around "his majesty" is so absurd it's laughable. I suspect comedians will have a great time with it in the future. laugh

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