I brought what up? Some sicko's idea of a joke about the death of our president and his family?

We were talking about assault rifles and guns.

and you brought up presidents that i should ask due to their situation

so i said show me the pictures of the crowd with assualt rifles in it

do you see any

i doubt it

maybe if there were history would be different

banning them did not help them did it

I've been wanting to take my child to a town hall meeting. Each week it's looking more and more unsafe to do so. These guns are going to keep many good people away. Nobody wants to get caught in any crossfire.

i am sure you do

most prefer their personal ideas

regardless as to which may be better

but some can see beyond the specific case and see what it could lead too

In the State of Arizona any one can carry a gun in the open as long as they have met state and federal requirements. That is one of the reasons few presidents and few presidential candidates ever visit more than the Phoenix area. Don't like the law...but it is the law. Still don't like going into a grocery and seeing some one packing a side arm. Though most folks are pretty wise about it.

I believe that guns should be constrained around a President too. It's common sense to me.

what is the violent crime rate in your neighborhood businesses

"""I think you might want to tell that to these Presidents:

There have been 90 known attempts to kill sitting and former Presidents as well as Presidents-elect.

Four attempts on sitting Presidents have succeeded: Abraham Lincoln (the 16th President), James A. Garfield (the 20th President), William McKinley (the 25th President) and John F. Kennedy (the 35th President).

Two other Presidents were injured in attempted assassinations: then former President Theodore Roosevelt and then sitting President Ronald Reagan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidential_assassination_attempts """"

I am Pro-Gun and I have to say that I think the guy toting the AR was an IDIOT. He was supposedly making a statement to President Obama to not mess with the 2nd Amendment but, by his STUPID antics, he is causing a national debate that could backfire.

I view this as a big setback.

What is the big deal.....I see no problem at all....

If you read the article.....
the people that protect the President do NOT have an issue with , either.....

"Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president. "

If it doesn't bother them.....why does it bother , you??????

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Come on folks, can you imagine the news if Obama 'had' a problem with it and made it more public. The news would be so stuck on gun talk the health issue would be completely eclipsed by it.

There would be no problem with it if we lived in a world where people didn't do stupid things. Of course if we did live in a world where people didn't do stupid things we would have no need of guns.

I trust the Secret Services' procedures and judgment....

Well that judgment will change quickly when more and more start doing the same until they are out numbered.

well if a frog had wings......

it appears the ss also agree with me

that is constitution

and the secret service (those whose job it is too know)

and still have not seen any pics showing assault rifles in the crowd
at assassination attempts (whether failed or successful)

myabe an armed public would have stopped those attempts

when guns are banned

the innocent are targets

when innocents are targets everyone loses

out number by who

do you assume every one with a gun is a fanatic out to kill everyone

it is that kind of thing that is killing this country and leading to
the loss of freedoms

why is it if one person does something that no one else should be able
to have anything that that person used for their evil

maybe fertilizer and fuel should be banned after all it is used to
make explosions

so much for farming industry (enough of both on most farms to blow up
city hall a couple times) [is it a regular occurrence] no it is not

Winx, as already pointed out the key issue here is "Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president."

Carrying a weapon openly is far less dangerous to the public and the president than the secret service worrying about who "has one". The security plans for the president include "ranging" which is the study of the effective range of a potential weapon and the time it takes to get on target. One of the key areas of training and criteria for hiring of secret service agents is the ability to gun down the typical attacker before he can reasonable acquire a target and fire. In the case of a AR15 carrying person in the public viewing area, he would be dead before the rifle ever pointed directly at the president because armed men (more than one) would be watching him all the time.

There are a lot of other factors too including "profiling". The chances of a man, among a group of men, all carrying weapons legally as an act of "whatever", being a real threat in this type of situation is very small. No one is going to openly carry a weapon up to range and shoot the president. It would be a simple act of sucicide.

I'm just wondering what the point is for carrying an assult rifle around like that. Other than to try and make a statement. What need is there to carry around a gun like that?

Why are you always picking on me? Just kidding... Good morning adj...

I absolutely do not assume everyone with a gun is a fanatic. It only takes one fanatic to kill many people. Yes we might luck out and one good guy gets the bad guy and no one else is killed, but that's rare I think. Especially in a crowded place. The good guy isn't always going to be with in range.

If we are as smart as we say we are we can and have proved we can fine alternatives to fertilizer and fuel that will not harm the environment. That's a good thing to me. What is not so good is when those who benefit finacially from the status quo find ways to prevent change and alternatives. Though this is not the topic.