Topic: Opinions are needed... Am I wrong on this?
Gumbyvs's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:43 PM

The times, they are a changing.

What will happen if Americans refuse to change with the times?

We are a country less than 300 years old - many societies throughout hisroty have not lasted that long.

In less than 200 years America rose to a seat of dominance in world power. How long did you think that would last?

How did we become America, the dominant? Consider the history.

A world where emporers and kings ruled without justice, were equality and human rights had nothing to do with ethical rulership.

Those who settled American and those who created its creed, were determined NEVER to be sovereign subjects to anyone and bowing was to any human was scorned and considered an act of a traitor.

But what of human rights? What of equality? Ask the Native Americans thses questions.

But times have changed and will continue to do so, the world has moved on. We are no longer the dominant world force, what industry do we even have to support such a claim? What value is the almighty U.S.dollar if it is no longer the standard for which trade is equated? We are in depression and what do we have to bring us back to the power and prestige we once had?

It is time to join the global community. It is time to worry about the effects of human behavior on the environment, on each other.

Why should it matter the form in which respect is given, as long as the communication is understood? We need, now more than every, to communicate with understanding.



New World Order! Yea, that's what we want!

Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:47 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 06/15/09 07:47 PM
I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:50 PM

I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.


Can anyone say flip-flop? I think that has been what everyone has tried to impress upon you! It is not their custom!

Gumbyvs's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:51 PM

I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.


OMG, we did the research, but you dismissed us earlier, because you didn't do research. frustrated frustrated slaphead slaphead slaphead oops

Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:51 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 06/15/09 07:59 PM


I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.


Can anyone say flip-flop? I think that has been what everyone has tried to impress upon you! It is not their custom!


It took me all this time to research it.

Obama insulted the man.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:52 PM


I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.


OMG, we did the research, but you dismissed us earlier, because you didn't do research. frustrated frustrated slaphead slaphead slaphead oops


You lie noone did the research.

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Mon 06/15/09 07:52 PM
they are not talking about mutual customary greetings between citizens, they are refering to customary greetings between world leaders and If Bush had made a simular mistake, every liberal and their mothers would be calling Bush stupid, or arrogant but not the great Messiah Obama, his mistakes and there have been plenty, the media just ignores, after all he is one of them. For example have you ever heard him speak without a prompter he doesn't sound all that articulate when he is off script if he was Bush the media would have used clips of those speeches to make the man sound stupid, or how about during the election when he misspoke about one of the middle eastern countries, and was given a pass but when Palin was given the same foreign policy question, which to be fare as an I got u question. The media harped on her lack of foreign policy experience. Or when he made statement after statement about 95% of the American people getting a tax cut under his plan when 40% of them don't earn enough to pay taxes in the first place, so obviously that would essentually be a welfare check so why did he get away with that lie,also the irresponsible liberal media refused to ask for specifics and instead just repeated his general statements concerning foreign and domestic policies for example why was he not ever asked how he planed on paying for it, with out raising inflation or raising taxes on the middle class (which he has by the way thanks to his stimulas plan with 9,000 different earmarks, as well as his approval of raising taxes like the national gas tax, national sales tax and the death tax all of which affect the middle class and when by the way is the liberal media going to hold him responsible for unemployment going to 9% when he promised it would be much lower with the passing of the stimulas bill and by the way what of Wontonomo bay isn't it funny that not one blow heart liberal volunteered their district, not one socialistic country volunteered their country to house those supposed victoms of American injustice. What of it,if their so harmless why the hesitation to volunteer the areas they represent, so that they can be given their day in court provided of course that these prisoner of war are read their miranda rights by soldiers when they are captured another bright idea from the Great Messiah President Obama

Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:54 PM
Bowing to other human beings is frowned upon in Muslim cultures as all human beings are considered equal and bowing is only supposed to be done to God in Islam. Similarly, in Judaism the second of the Ten Commandments is generally interpreted to forbid bowing before anyone but God.



Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:57 PM

they are not talking about mutual customary greetings between citizens, they are refering to customary greetings between world leaders and If Bush had made a simular mistake, every liberal and their mothers would be calling Bush stupid, or arrogant but not the great Messiah Obama, his mistakes and there have been plenty, the media just ignores, after all he is one of them. For example have you ever heard him speak without a prompter he doesn't sound all that articulate when he is off script if he was Bush the media would have used clips of those speeches to make the man sound stupid, or how about during the election when he misspoke about one of the middle eastern countries, and was given a pass but when Palin was given the same foreign policy question, which to be fare as an I got u question. The media harped on her lack of foreign policy experience. Or when he made statement after statement about 95% of the American people getting a tax cut under his plan when 40% of them don't earn enough to pay taxes in the first place, so obviously that would essentually be a welfare check so why did he get away with that lie,also the irresponsible liberal media refused to ask for specifics and instead just repeated his general statements concerning foreign and domestic policies for example why was he not ever asked how he planed on paying for it, with out raising inflation or raising taxes on the middle class (which he has by the way thanks to his stimulas plan with 9,000 different earmarks, as well as his approval of raising taxes like the national gas tax, national sales tax and the death tax all of which affect the middle class and when by the way is the liberal media going to hold him responsible for unemployment going to 9% when he promised it would be much lower with the passing of the stimulas bill and by the way what of Wontonomo bay isn't it funny that not one blow heart liberal volunteered their district, not one socialistic country volunteered their country to house those supposed victoms of American injustice. What of it,if their so harmless why the hesitation to volunteer the areas they represent, so that they can be given their day in court provided of course that these prisoner of war are read their miranda rights by soldiers when they are captured another bright idea from the Great Messiah President Obama


Not true either.

It appears in this video that President Bush's approval is in a sorrier state than polls indicate. In a video taken at the G20 summit, Bush walks across a line of world leaders without shaking or being asked to shake any of their hands. Whether the President is being rejected by the world leaders or he is rejecting them, CNN's Rick Sanchez aptly says that Bush looks like "the most unpopular kid in high school that nobody liked."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/world-leaders-dont-shake_n_145141.html

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Mon 06/15/09 07:58 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 06/15/09 07:59 PM
So am I forgiven yet D? This mans act cut me to the core! My brothers and sisters in service died so NOBODY in this great nation would ever bow before any man! His act was disgraceful and treasoness.

Can we now agree?

Gumbyvs's photo
Mon 06/15/09 07:58 PM



I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.


OMG, we did the research, but you dismissed us earlier, because you didn't do research. frustrated frustrated slaphead slaphead slaphead oops


You lie noone did the research.



Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:00 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 06/15/09 08:01 PM

So am I forgiven yet D? This mans act cut me to the core! My brothers and sisters in service died so NOBODY in this great nation would ever bow before any man! His act was disgraceful and treasoness.

Can we now agree?


No forgiveness is needed. But we still disagree because you are saying it like it is a crime to us and the only one he offended was the Saudi leader.

no photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:01 PM
Edited by boo2u on Mon 06/15/09 08:01 PM
So wheres's the bow? I stared at this thing 3 times and don't see a bow.... http://www.wikio.com/video/979315

Gumbyvs's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:01 PM


Its kinda like banging your head against the wall, only worse, cause the wall argues that it really isn't a wall.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:02 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Mon 06/15/09 08:04 PM




I seem to be the only one that did my research on this.


For Obama to bow to the Saudi leader was an insult to him by their customs.

The only entity that Muslims believe you bow to is god, to bow to ANY human is an insult.

So the Saudi leader actually had to excuse Obama for his lack of respect on this one.


OMG, we did the research, but you dismissed us earlier, because you didn't do research. frustrated frustrated slaphead slaphead slaphead oops


You lie noone did the research.





You are cute there , is that your twin?

no photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:02 PM
The question is would the Saudi leader pardon the President if he was a Muslim and should have known better?

I figure since he is not a Muslim is the reason why the Saudi leader forgave him.

That is the good thing about being a heathen or infidel as they call us until we are converted as they wish us to be.

Is that if you are not a Muslim you are often forgiven for not knowing.

I remember dating a long time ago a Turkish lady. As I was young and not knowing anything about the culture or its tradtions I dated her openly. Later a few weeks later I was confronted by the whole family of 20!

The Uncle of the girl I was dating said he would normally slice my wrists for dating her, but since I am unaware of the Muslim traditions I was given a chance to become Muslim and marry her immediately. I would have had to go to Mecca and walk around their sacred stone also.

I had to say goodbye to this beautiful lady and she was sent back to Turkey.

It was a odd experience, but they had accepted my decision, but I was told to stay far away from them for Allah doesn't accept infidels and heathens in his kingdom.

Talking about customs right! drinker

So fortunately I wasn't a Muslim at the time for then I would be dead today probably or highly crippled for life as I should have known better.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:03 PM



Its kinda like banging your head against the wall, only worse, cause the wall argues that it really isn't a wall.


You mean you of course.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:07 PM
BHO was raised a Muslim! The WH has published many articles saying "He is now christian!". To bow to this Muslim leader in servitude, representing us all, was a "personal" feeling showing his weakness or appreciation of his post as our leader!

The WH is backpeddling on this so fast they hope to hide his error in the smoke of their tires!

It's like telling your date you don't have aids or herpes any more!

Gumbyvs's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:07 PM


You mean you of course.




At possessing wit and common sense.

Gumbyvs's photo
Mon 06/15/09 08:08 PM

BHO was raised a Muslim! The WH has published many articles saying "He is now christian!". To bow to this Muslim leader in servitude, representing us all, was a "personal" feeling showing his weakness or appreciation of his post as our leader!

The WH is backpeddling on this so fast they hope to hide his error in the smoke of their tires!

It's like telling your date you don't have aids or herpes any more!


But that doesn't matter that he was raised muslim and shoulda know better! Don't you see, he's Obama, he can do no wrong!