some of the steel was also used in one of the new ships for the navy but do not remember which one

but never heard the church one kinda weird if it was so hot that the integrity of the steel was compromised that it could be used b4 going through a meltdown and made into new beams

Thay also built a ship with it.

Kat

Money does not make sense either? That has cost billions in payouts and cleanup and and well....billions!

Kat

yah but only the four or five or six floors that actually burned got that hot. there were several floors below that didnt get hot but were only crushed

yep profit for somebody

at a lot of cost to the taxpayer

One thing that troubles me and remains still unanswered or even talked about.......

Firefighters who exited the building before the collapse say that when the got to the lobby of the towers that it looked like bombs had gone off with windows blown out, ceiling sections hanging, walls cracked and caved in and dust like a haze in the air. The planes impacted the buildings above the 70th floor..... why would the lobby at the base of the towers be "blown out" 70+ floors below the impact point? Other people exiting the building reported many explosions after the impact on several other floors below the impact point. People in the sub-levels reported explosions, many had severe burns and broken limbs, again before the collapse. Tunnels between the buildings were collapsed trapping vehicles with no occupants (which means the people had time to exit the area before the towers collapsed).

Perhaps someone can explain this reasonably? It is documented so it's not like there isn't proof of this. Research the article about the abandoned truck full of gold they found there. 10 seconds (the time it took the towers to fall, impossible in a "pancake" theory) is not much time to escape the area!

No, it was an outside job. Perhaps some figures within the government or a certain agency had a foreknowledge of the attacks and did nothing about it, I can settle with that, but it wasn't the "government" who did this.


The ideas of "the government did this to find a reason to go and fight in the middle-east" is also absurd. USA goes to fight in the middle-east without any excuse anyway. All you need is to say that someone has WMDs , have or want to build a nuclear weapon and there you go (see: Iraq).

that could be an accurate theory

but they (the joint chiefs) have planned such action in the past

well, tell us the specific case you are referring to.

The hulking grey USS New York, which abruptly rose from the horizon, bore a seal on the bow bearing 7.5 tons of steel from the site. The shield included two gray bars to symoblize the Twin Towers; a banner over that declared "Never Forget."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334332,00.html

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i seen the show about it on the either hist or disc channel

it is in the bow of the ship i thought it was the new york but was not positive that is why i did not name it when i posted it earlier

one of my post from page 4

but at the end of the day, you gotta realize, that it's not "the government" , but more like rouge elements within the government. If there is a conspiracy or the so called inside job, I wouldn't put their number over 10-15 people.

Let's not forget the Gulf of Tonkin incident either



The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was two separate occurrences involving naval forces of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin that prompted the first large-scale involvement of U.S. armed forces in Southeast Asia. On August 2, 1964, the destroyer USS Maddox (DD-731) engaged three North Vietnamese P-4 torpedo boats, resulting in damage to the three boats. Two days later the Maddox (having been joined by the destroyer USS Turner Joy (DD-951) reported a second engagement with North Vietnamese vessels. This second report was later claimed to be in error.[1]

The outcome of the incident was the passage by Congress of the Southeast Asia Resolution (better known as the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution), which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression," including the commitment of U.S. forces without a declaration of war. The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for escalating American involvement in the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam). It gave the President the exclusive right to use military force without consulting the Senate, although based on a false pretext, as he later admitted.[2]

In 2005, an official NSA declassified report[3] revealed that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese on August 2, but that there may not have been any North Vietnamese vessels present during the engagement of August 4. The report stated

It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night.]/b] [...] In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged in nothing that night but the salvage of two of the boats damaged on August 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

that is like saying

ford is not responsible for pinto explosions but only those that ignored the possibility of them are responsible

there are documents of that operation you seen them oif you looked at the link

if it was not sanctioned by the govt why did no one get charged or at least fired for it

just a thought

We're talking about one of the most horrific crime done in recent memory. While we can claim it was an inside job and be called nutcases, that's fine. I am confident of good people still exists and do everything possible to figure out the perpetrators and connections, but this entire idea is so big, that they have to walk on eggshells, not to get hurt. Even if it's no inside job, but what it is currently said to be. I neither think, they gonna tell everything to the public, so there might be investigations going on right now as we speak, eventually we may get the whole story one day, could be 30yrs from now , like the gulf of tonkin.

It's the JFK assasination all over again but on a much larger scale.

If you don't think the government would lie to it's people, then why are we now dealing with a waterboading coverup?

As with this issue...... people say they are appalled, but to try to do anything about it you are unAmerican or don't love your country.

They believe they can get away with anything, and they are probably right because it would be like an ant against an anteater. They have the power, the money, and the military to allow them to do as they please.

this is a cool video I saw online:

Vote for Answers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzC3QI8JenU

regarless of who did what and why....IMO we owe it to those that lost there lives to find out the truth...no matter how far fetched it might be

out of the mouth of a babe

ok...my typing is off today...i just have one word for you...SHADDUP

ok if you insist, i will retract the babe part