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Topic: Mind Reading
catwoman96's photo
Tue 05/26/09 02:19 AM

jeanniebean............read my mind.
serisously.
per email I will give you any answers to anything that you would want to now (because this is a net reading} and my face is (well Im really not a cat)

but seriously read my mind....give me some prediction for my future.
pleaseflowerforyou

i perhaps think Im a difficult read......especially over the net :)
but i would like to see your opinion...and exactly where a net reading feel like

SharpShooter10's photo
Tue 05/26/09 04:57 AM


I am not sure if telepathy and mind reading are the same thing.

I have, I have tested myself and many people, 100% of the time people can read other peoples minds to a greater or lesser degree when they can see them.

It approaches 0% when they cannot . . . I wonder why. I certainly have plenty of conclusions that fit the data, and plenty of experts have shown techniques that achieve the same results that are less then supernatural.


I think that if you have never met a person, and have no bond with them to "read their mind" at a distance would not be possible. On the other hand, you might be able to read a persons mood and feelings if you are in their presence just from picking up on their vibrations or from something you observe both consciously and subconsciously.

My experience was as a receiver of a very loud and obvious message in the form of words. I simply heard them inside my head. I also knew who they were from because I could 'see' a vision of the face of the person sending me the message.

So when the followers of the Mansion cult say they could 'hear' Charles Manson telling them what to do... all I am thinking that is is certainly possible.






I believe you can pick up on peoples aura, mood, personality whatever you want to call it, gut instinct. I think I can anyway.

SharpShooter10's photo
Tue 05/26/09 05:00 AM



I think the problems that will occur in the type of telepathy I described is in the individual interpretations of the messages being sent. Its just like any other language. They are subject to personal interpretation according to the experience of the receiver, and maybe even the sender.

That is some of the same things I run into while reading tarot cards. Every reader has their own system of interpretation.


((JB)) can you read my mind right now devil bigsmile flowerforyou


You're a big flirt. All talk, no walk. bigsmile flowerforyou
laugh flowerforyou drinker

metalwing's photo
Tue 05/26/09 06:04 AM


I think the problems that will occur in the type of telepathy I described is in the individual interpretations of the messages being sent. Its just like any other language. They are subject to personal interpretation according to the experience of the receiver, and maybe even the sender.

That is some of the same things I run into while reading tarot cards. Every reader has their own system of interpretation.




Jeanniebean,

May I have a reading?


I was not joking or making a snide remark.

ThomasJB's photo
Tue 05/26/09 07:29 AM

You don't understand at all. You make blanket statements about something being impossible or nonexistent and you have no way of knowing that.

You don't know everything, so you cannot know if something like telepathy exists or not.

And yet you are smug in your declarations about what does not exist and you think just because you say it does not exist, that it does not exist; therefore that is no better than what you accuse me of doing.

At least my authority is my own experience. I regard that very highly. Your only authority is what you think you know by what you can't possibly know. That's not logical at all.


If we only ever relied on personal experience to decide fact, we would have never moved beyond the stone age. By your own logic you can prove nothing exists outside of your brain, therefor we are all figments of your imagination and you are having this argument with yourself.

no photo
Tue 05/26/09 08:03 AM


You don't understand at all. You make blanket statements about something being impossible or nonexistent and you have no way of knowing that.

You don't know everything, so you cannot know if something like telepathy exists or not.

And yet you are smug in your declarations about what does not exist and you think just because you say it does not exist, that it does not exist; therefore that is no better than what you accuse me of doing.

At least my authority is my own experience. I regard that very highly. Your only authority is what you think you know by what you can't possibly know. That's not logical at all.


If we only ever relied on personal experience to decide fact, we would have never moved beyond the stone age. By your own logic you can prove nothing exists outside of your brain, therefor we are all figments of your imagination and you are having this argument with yourself.



Dear boy,bigsmile No offense, but although I do highly regard many authorities, I am my own final authority on my personal reality.

For every opinion or belief you can find hundreds of "authorities" who will support your opinion or belief.

After all what is life but our personal experience?? Why should I descend into self doubt because someone tells me that my perceptions are flawed or that I am delusional or unreasonable? My memory serves me well and I remember my personal experiences.

If telepathy absolutely did not and never has existed, there would be no word "telepathy" in our language would there? Why name a thing that does not exist for any other reason except to entertain ourselves with fiction?

Telepathy is a universal language of images and feeling. It is felt and used by all intelligent creatures. If humans could regain their telepathic communication skills there would be no language barriers as there are today.






no photo
Tue 05/26/09 08:22 AM


jeanniebean............read my mind.
serisously.
per email I will give you any answers to anything that you would want to now (because this is a net reading} and my face is (well Im really not a cat)

but seriously read my mind....give me some prediction for my future.
pleaseflowerforyou

i perhaps think Im a difficult read......especially over the net :)
but i would like to see your opinion...and exactly where a net reading feel like



I don't read minds, I read the energy of the tarot cards that come up when I am doing a reading about someone.

You are at a cross road. You may be refusing to see the whole truth of the situation. You await the decisions others or of fate itself. Do you have a decision to make?


creativesoul's photo
Tue 05/26/09 08:58 AM
Edited by creativesoul on Tue 05/26/09 08:59 AM
If it can be imagined it exists?

laugh

Holy sheeee-ought! We have a winner!!!

I dreamt about Ray Charles last night, and he could see just fine, ya know. I asked him for a lullabye, he said honey I don't sing no more... no more... no more... no more... Ray don't sing no more.





You do not know everything... therefore you cannot know anything!

huh

Buh....

Buh...


Buh!!!

[[[[[[[insert loud morning breath belch!!!]]]]]]]

blushing 'Scuse me... blushing

no photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:08 AM
Creative I'm so glad you are having so much fun.

Here is my advice. I know you didn't ask for it but here it is.

Let go of the past and do more living in the present moment. Something from your past is still bothering you. When you do your art, it is your escape from the prison of your mind. Do more of that and you will find joy.

Just a suggestion. flowerforyou

creativesoul's photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:25 AM
That is good advice!!!

Kudos!

flowerforyou

The period of transition between what was so well known and therefore comfortable, and what is new and therefore not so familiar/comfortable is still in mid-process.

Movement is the source of all change. Change is the source of all things.

:wink:

no photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:30 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 05/26/09 09:38 AM


We all have our own justifications...

For a thing to be shown to exist requires a little more than just saying that it does.

flowerforyou



I am not attempting to SHOW you anything. I am telling that telepathy exists. You can believe it or not. If you refuse to even consider the possibility, that just shows me your mind is set and very closed up.


Your wrong. This is the science and philosophy forum, we would not care to sit here and discuss these things at all if we did not think this could be tested. Beliefs should not be the deciding factor, what can be determined should be the deciding factor.

Your belief MEANS NOTHING in a science and philosophy forum.

Either discuss the science or logical reasoning of this topic or stop posting. You have a very bad habit of sitting here and saying I believe it and any poster that does not agree gets attacked. (personal asides should be totally off topic in this forum.)

Science and philosophy are studies that require MORE then belief to EVER determine anything so get with the program or stop posting.

creativesoul's photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:36 AM
Let go of the past and do more living in the present moment. Something from your past is still bothering you. When you do your art, it is your escape from the prison of your mind. Do more of that and you will find joy.


There is a flaw in this line of thinking though... I find it of utmost importance.

When I do my art, it is also a product of my mind, therefore either the prison does not exist, or I am doing art within the prison also.

:wink:

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Tue 05/26/09 09:43 AM



We all have our own justifications...

For a thing to be shown to exist requires a little more than just saying that it does.

flowerforyou



I am not attempting to SHOW you anything. I am telling that telepathy exists. You can believe it or not. If you refuse to even consider the possibility, that just shows me your mind is set and very closed up.


Your wrong. This is the science and philosophy forum, we would not care to sit here and discuss these things at all if we did not think this could be tested. Beliefs should not be the deciding factor, what can be determined should be the deciding factor.

Your belief MEANS NOTHING in a science and philosophy forum.

Either discuss the science or logical reasoning of this topic or stop posting. You have a very bad habit of sitting here and saying I believe it and any poster that does not agree gets attacked. (personal asides should be totally off topic in this forum.)

Science and philosophy are studies that require MORE then belief to EVER determine anything so get with the program or stop posting.



What kind of "proof" would you accept?

My proof is that I experienced telepathy. I would not lie about a thing like that.

Are you telling me that philosophy has nothing to do with belief or logic?

If you want me to quit posting I will do so.




catwoman96's photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:45 AM



jeanniebean............read my mind.
serisously.
per email I will give you any answers to anything that you would want to now (because this is a net reading} and my face is (well Im really not a cat)

but seriously read my mind....give me some prediction for my future.
pleaseflowerforyou

i perhaps think Im a difficult read......especially over the net :)
but i would like to see your opinion...and exactly where a net reading feel like



I don't read minds, I read the energy of the tarot cards that come up when I am doing a reading about someone.

You are at a cross road. You may be refusing to see the whole truth of the situation. You await the decisions others or of fate itself. Do you have a decision to make?




lol, no I dont have a decision to make....Im just kinda waiting to see what happens in the next few months.

but isnt everyone at some sort of crossraods in life??

no photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:48 AM

Let go of the past and do more living in the present moment. Something from your past is still bothering you. When you do your art, it is your escape from the prison of your mind. Do more of that and you will find joy.


There is a flaw in this line of thinking though... I find it of utmost importance.

When I do my art, it is also a product of my mind, therefore either the prison does not exist, or I am doing art within the prison also.

:wink:



Well I don't know what processes you are going through when you do your art, and yes we do use our minds.

But the creative process works on the side of the brain that does not keep track of time, hence when I do my art, I live in the moment, loosing track of time until I shift to the other side of my brain.

Talking and doing a creative work are done on opposite sides of the brain so if you notice, when you give children crayons and set them to coloring the creative ones will get real quiet.

I noticed this when doing caricatures. I found I had to shift from left side to right side to do the caricature and then to talk to my model. It was an interesting process to observe.


no photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:49 AM
Are you telling me that philosophy has nothing to do with belief or logic?


Belief no, logic yes.

Experience counts for something, but not much in a science or philosophy discussion. Belief counts for nothing. The problem with experience is that the conclusions we come to do not necessarily match what really happened. You can easily experience something and be wrong about the causal relationship. (or even that one exists at all)

You really need to stop talking about a persons stand point like that matters in the discussion. My belief on the subject just like yours should have no bearing on the science or philosophy discussion. (the only thing it should effect is our stance on the topic, not how we discuss the facts.)


no photo
Tue 05/26/09 09:55 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 05/26/09 09:57 AM




jeanniebean............read my mind.
serisously.
per email I will give you any answers to anything that you would want to now (because this is a net reading} and my face is (well Im really not a cat)

but seriously read my mind....give me some prediction for my future.
pleaseflowerforyou

i perhaps think Im a difficult read......especially over the net :)
but i would like to see your opinion...and exactly where a net reading feel like



I don't read minds, I read the energy of the tarot cards that come up when I am doing a reading about someone.

You are at a cross road. You may be refusing to see the whole truth of the situation. You await the decisions others or of fate itself. Do you have a decision to make?




lol, no I dont have a decision to make....Im just kinda waiting to see what happens in the next few months.

but isnt everyone at some sort of crossraods in life??



Some, more than others. The two of swords was your card and the energy of that card means a stalemate or standstill, a delay. It also indicates that you are refusing to see something about the situation. (Turning a blind eye so to speak, not wanting to face the situation.) This also indicates that you are faced with a decision.

You say:
"I'm just kinda waiting to see what happens...."

I said:
"You await the decisions others or of fate itself."

The next card was Justice. It is karmic or legal justice coming down. Not knowing your situation, I have no way of knowing what that is. Only that it is fair, and that you can handle the responsibility.


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Tue 05/26/09 10:04 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 05/26/09 10:05 AM

Are you telling me that philosophy has nothing to do with belief or logic?


Belief no, logic yes.

Experience counts for something, but not much in a science or philosophy discussion. Belief counts for nothing. The problem with experience is that the conclusions we come to do not necessarily match what really happened. You can easily experience something and be wrong about the causal relationship. (or even that one exists at all)

You really need to stop talking about a persons stand point like that matters in the discussion. My belief on the subject just like yours should have no bearing on the science or philosophy discussion. (the only thing it should effect is our stance on the topic, not how we discuss the facts.)




Are you now making the rules of this forum?

If belief counts for nothing then neither do facts. Proof and facts are all about agreement and belief.

Do you now take the position of chairman of this forum and are you now taking the roll of the lawgiver and authority of what should and should not be posted here?

Point of view (standpoint) does matter. It is all that matters. It is from that place we view the world and create our personal reality.

Do you intend to gather a mob and group together with your so-called authorities and their rules and findings and pounce upon each individual who disagrees with you or has ideas you don't believe for lack of their evidence according to you prescribed criteria and tell them that they are out of line and should not be posting?

I am totally appalled and shocked at this kind of attitude. noway huh


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Tue 05/26/09 10:08 AM
My belief on the subject just like yours should have no bearing on the science or philosophy discussion.



That is the most anal and ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Belief is everything. In science, in court, in life.

If this is the kind of discussion you want to engage in, go talk to a computer program.

huh

no photo
Tue 05/26/09 10:15 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 05/26/09 10:18 AM

My belief on the subject just like yours should have no bearing on the science or philosophy discussion.



That is the most anal and ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Belief is everything. In science, in court, in life.

If this is the kind of discussion you want to engage in, go talk to a computer program.

huh
sigh, once again you completely miss what everyone else says.


Your belief on a subject does not change the truth of it, and for the purposes of a discussion in a philosophy and science forum the truth is what the discussion is about.

When you say true for me, that is belief and it has no part in a science, or philosophy discussion.

Personally I don't care what you believe, I just want to discuss the topic in a scientific, or philosophical setting.

Something you ruin more then half the time, becuase you fail to understand the setting and what it entails.

I really don't know why this is so hard to understand or accept.

I really do not want you to stop posting, but I see that you have lost sight of what this forum is about.

I don't think its detrimental in any way for you to post your belief, but realize that this is in no way furthering a scientific, or philosophical discussion, and so if that is where your contribution ends then you might want to consider stop posting until you can add something scientific or philosophical to the discussion.

Every single thread these days just gets spammed to death by JB recounting why she believes over and over again, and how if you disagree you must not have experienced the same things . . . . or you need something in your life.

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