Sex sells and the media makes money off of it. turn off the TV if you want to make a statement. Unfortunately censorship also was not the answer. There is tasteful ways of teaching sex and ways that are tasteless. America in general is too screwed up over sex. Worst yet is having media and other groups forcing it down our throats. There is more to life than playing demolition derby in bed. That is what we need to teach out children.

It's not what the ACLU is involved, but the misleading title. And just looking at the WND site and browse through the titles, it's all anti-democrat, anti-obama, not long ago, they were pushing the "Obama birth certificate question" non-stop.


I'm a centrist, and I know when I see a biased propaganda, let it be left or right.


look at this "urgent" poll for example.



found on the first page.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/

Most people know, none of these people are responsible really, even Bush isn't the responsible. Everyone knows it started much earlier, probably 30-40 years ago or even earlier, (1913 Fed creation).

how about this one:


or this one:



I can keep going.

it doesn't offend me to be taught but just like everything else...someone will get offended. it's another "where do you draw the line" IMO

At least you watch for that.

But in a different thread didn't you say that rape was a legitiment weapon of war?

Schools are a local issue governed by a local school board. If its being taught in your schools "YOU" only have yourself to blame....They do not teach how to be or how to become gay in my schools!!!! Ill say again " I like my schools" and have local control over my schools and would not have it any other way!!!!!~!!!!!! Dont like it "GET INVOLVED"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

County School boards are elect officials representing "YOU" and your community!!!!!

Interesting how things are worded from one article to another. The following is from the Boston globe.
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Arrested father had point to make
Disputed school's lesson on diversity
By Maria Cramer and Ralph Ranalli, Globe Staff | April 29, 2005

CONCORD -- For David Parker, the first alarm went off in January, when his 5-year-old son came home from his kindergarten class at Lexington's Joseph Estabrook School with a bag of books promoting diversity.

Inside were books about foreign cultures and traditions, along with food recipes. There was also a copy of ''Who's In a Family?" by Robert Skutch, which depicts different kinds of families, including same-sex couples raising children.

The book's contents concerned Parker and prompted him to begin a series of e-mail exchanges with school officials on the subject that culminated in a meeting Wednesday night with Estabrook's principal and district director of instruction. The meeting ended with Parker's arrest after he refused to leave the school, and the Lexington man spent the night in jail.

Yesterday, Parker was arraigned in Concord District Court on one count of trespassing, and a not guilty plea was entered on his behalf. Bail was set at $1,000, and Parker was freed after being ordered to stay off Lexington school property. He is due back in court June 1.

Parker and his wife, Tonia, 34, who was also in court yesterday, said the dispute arose because they asked school officials to notify them about classroom discussions about same-sex marriage and what they called other adult themes. They also wanted the option to exclude their boy, now 6, from those talks.

Parker said he met with school officials to gain those assurances and then refused to leave until he got them. Parker stayed at Estabrook School for more than two hours, according to Superintendent William J. Hurley, as officials and Lexington police urged him to leave. Finally, they arrested him for trespassing.

Parker, who refused to bail himself out of jail Wednesday night, said he spent the night in custody to prove a point.

''I chose to stay, which I'm not sure was a wise move," he said. ''But I wanted to see how far they would go for asking something simple." Parker said he wanted to control ''the timing and manner" in which his son learned about ''adult themes."

''This is not about creating a forum for hate . . . for any segment of society," Parker said after his arraignment. ''I'm just trying to be a good dad."

Hurley did not return calls for comment yesterday. But in an April 27 letter to Parker, Hurley warned him to stay away from school property.

''If you are found on Lexington public schools' properties you will be subject to arrest by the Lexington police," Hurley wrote. ''Access to school properties can only be accomplished with prior written authorization from the superintendent of schools or his designee."

David Parker said he moved his family from New Jersey to Lexington last year after his employer relocated him. He acknowledged yesterday that he and his wife oppose same-sex unions, but they described themselves as Christians who do not advocate hatred.

''We're not intolerant," said Tonia Parker. ''We love all people. That is part of our faith."

A handful of supporters of the Parker family appeared at the courthouse yesterday, including Brian Camenker, director of Article 8 Alliance. The group, which opposes same-sex marriage, posted e-mail exchanges between the Parkers and school officials on the matter on its website. Camenker said Parker contacted him in January.

The case drew interest across the state yesterday.

Governor Mitt Romney, an opponent of same-sex marriage, said: ''Schools under our parental-notification law are required to inform parents . . . of matters relating to human sexuality that may be taught in the classroom and to allow that child to be out of the classroom for that period of the education."

Romney said he supports parents' right to know, though he declined to speak specifically about the Parker case.

Thomas B. Griffiths, Lexington School Committee chairman, said parents of older students are notified in advance when sex education will be taught.

''We don't view telling a child that there is a family out there with two mommies as teaching about homosexuality, heterosexuality, or any kind of sexuality," he said. ''We are teaching about the realities of where different children come from."

The bag of books promoting diversity is sent home with one student at a time, said Rachel F. Cortez, copresident of the Estabrook parent-teacher association and a member of the school's Anti-Bias Committee.

Parents received notice about the book bag at the beginning of the year and the date that it was scheduled to be sent home with their child. The bag's contents also were put on display at a back-to-school night earlier in the school year, she said, and parents are not required to have their child bring it home.

''The kids don't have to take them [the materials] home," she said. ''Parents can either opt out entirely or use whatever materials they want."

Tonia Parker said yesterday she attended back-to-school night, but was not told about the bag or its contents.

David Parker said the topic of Wednesday's meeting was not about the book bag, but about concerns that his son could be exposed to more books and lessons about ''gay-headed" households.

''We're not giving unfettered access to the psyche of our son when he enters the school," said Tonia Parker.

Globe correspondent Janette A. Neuwahl contributed to this report. Maria Cramer can be reached at mcramer@globe.com.

Found here: boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/04/29/arrested_father_had_point_to_make/

the opening post is a brief if i understood it properly

now that means it is an arguement to make said things in brief legally binding

at this point it is nothing more than opinion

so i would suggest contacting those that are arguing agianst it if you are not in agreement

if the gay community has the right to teach their lifestyle in public schools

then would not that set a precedent that would grant that any group would be able to teach their lifestyle as well

and religion could be considered a lifestyle as well thus they would also have the rights afforded to teach their lifestyle as well

school is for teaching facts that are needed to be a constructive citizen to learn a lifestyle is not needed to be a constructive citizen

but hey what do i know

Interesting article, Boo.

I think showing kids that there are all kinds of families is harmless, I don't agree with teaching children this young the detailed facts of life in school, or religion as it is just as perverted, frankly, if you have ever read the Bible and heard enough interpretations to make your head spin.

I say give me the story with out the agenda of either side, so I can make up my own mind and not be influenced by some organization on either side. The radical Right or some gay organization.

I think we as a society have preverted sexuality by our prejudices and our own fears, and because of that it's too much for that young a mind. Straight, gay or other.

The thought of man boy love or man / young girl love grosses me out, but then I was brought up christian were sex was demonized and frankly twisted to suite control freaks.

Personally I think repression creates perversion in the first place. Few know what normal sex is anymore, thanks to religion.

The OP was the initial start of the case. In the end the state courts found in favor of the school system. I actually do have a problem with that states decision, as much as I think parents are wrong to pull their kids from that source, I think it should be their right to do so.

On the other side of that the article uses the typical 2 + 2 = oranges logic and bringing in irrelevant information to make it appear that rights are greater danger than they are. I didn't really see it in this article but most make it sound as if this has been decided on a federal level and the fact is the US Supreme court refused to hear the appeal. Most important here is the law does still require notification and that's in pretty much every state. In MA the circumstances under which they must notify is officially limited but notification is still required when such things are the "focus" of a particular course. They are not required to say anything if it is simply mentioned, I think this school over stepped the bounds on that myself, the court disagreed. The article also brings in German law which is totally irrelevant. Parents there have very few rights by comparison and every US parent has the right to pull their child from public school for home school or alternate schooling choices. Personally why I support most any plan that helps people put their kids in the school of THEIR choice.

School is to prepare the young for life. The purpose has never been to teach everything about everything. Many topics are reserved for institutions of "higher learning". Some issues are left to parents. When the children score the highest in the world in math, science, history, economics, and other basic areas we will know that the time has come to add more subjects. In the meantime I wish all special interests would leave them alone.

Note to self!

Dont raise children in Indiana!

The line should have been drawn three feet before this!

This is why they need hate crimes.
Otherwise, if it happened here, the school would be visited by parents with ballbats !

As a matter of fact yes it is! I never believed in drawing gray lines on some things. Doing everything to crush an opponent in a war is legitimate. Anything that expedites a victory and minimizes our losses (at least to me) is legitimate especially if humiliating the crap out of our opponents has the desired effects of A. Subjugating our foes, and B. It loosens the tongues of enemy combatants captured. War is either total or it is like a 'sissy boy Rodman' style slap fight. Humiliation is a legitimate tool. Read up on the Principles of Rule. Also there is Tsun Zu's Art of war. Both are very old but both have set the tone for how we conduct ourselves these days.

The thing is that we are not at war with ourselves are we? Behind our line we have rules of conduct but on the other side of the battle lines all bets are off. The only thing Christian and Islamic extremists understand is BRUTALITY and HUMILIATION. the thing is this thread is not about rape as a tool of war. It is about rabid queers trying to put the bite on children.

And for those of the homosexual community who take offense at the statement I just made about Rabid queers, if you are so worried about it then you must be one too. The difference is that normally Homosexuals just want to live among us in peace. Rabid Queers want us all to be gay. So if you got your undies in a bind over my statement get over yourselves.

You do live in NC, right Fanta?

point is it wasnt SCHOOL that my kid learned this stuff. It was through TV. and her friends. I live in one of the top school districts in my area. I do not live in a (ima say this) white trash neighborhood.

omg seriously young teenagers are very smart and hip to the world around them nowadays.

unless one completly sheltser them from how things they WILL confront in this world at somepoint anyday. (which i assume this will be a rude awakening when they do learn whats out there in the world) I choose to talk openly with my child about drugs and sex. and pray. and triple cross my fingers.


btw..the trisexuality thing was that my daughter had a friend whose mother (or step mother) bought those big great dane dogs to have sex with.

Yikes! She should get the mother-of-the-year award.

durn i forgot hip is such an outadate world.

how much worldy influence the child should get is totally up to the parent. Ima a young parent. my child is not sheltered from the cruelty of this world. I believe in education for a teenager includes many things. and in the world that i live in and I see today. I want her to know about drugs. I want her to know boys (or girls) will try to sleep with her. and I want her to know the dangers.

but im in a completly different topic area.

Should homosexuality be discussed in school? I dont see a problem with it. But God cant be mentioned in public school..at least not in science class. which i think that too should be touched on.

and why can my neighbor let their kids were a turban to public school?? if school is antireligious.

broad education in all aspects of life is what i give my child to prepare her to be an adult. (well all affordable aspects)

Shes a smart kid. both book smarts and street smarts. I tihnk she can handle hearing the word homosexuality in any sex ed class