So you prefer anarchy or a 50% sales tax? Either we have a government and have to pay for it or don't have a government. Now our government could a lot cheaper than it is, but that won't happen without a major overhaul of our electoral system.

Many don't but there are far to many who may not want it but they sure won't take the time to learn what they are voting for. Not saying anything about you personally, I don't know what you do or don't do. But the studies I've seen and heard of suggest people vote on 3 main factors, sound bytes, party line, and church recommendations. Very few actually "study" what/who they are voting on.

Truth is man-made...

Your suggestion sounds like one from a Roman emperor who wants the hardest working average 'Joe' citizens possible, without respect to their person, to fight it all out amongst themselves for the right/privelege to obtain a position of laborer in your camp which pays less than a prosperous wage, so that you may have much more than you could ever use in this lifetime alone, while the workers remain workers...

Is that close enough?

No, it is not.

A laborer in my camp? Are you drunk? This is what you read from my post?

I said that I want the freedom for all. Not only for myself, or those born into freedom. For all. Freedom of choice. No taxes, no welfare. Live and let live.

The camp is all what you want. You call it the freedom camp. You were born inside, what an achievement,and now you want a fence.

Truth is a property or not of a claim. Claims are entirely dependent upon language for their very existence. Language is man-made. Therefore, truth is also... man-made.

That is beside the point though...

Am I drunk?

I do not drink. My apologies if my perspective is being affected from your past posts as well as current ones...

Do you seriously believe that the country/world would be a better place without boundaries? They are necessitated by the existence of any government of any kind, by any market of any kind...

Freedom without boundaries cannot exist.

See my avatar!



The opening of our borders would flood our cities with desparate people, who accept little or nothing in return for work, as competition against the citizens who have paid in to preserve their way of life.... whatever that may be within the laws!

Those incoming of course would not be a threat to those with an education.... because the newcomers are without one.

See what I mean yet?

Ah you want anarchy... Thanks but no thanks.

Why not? It is good for those flooding in, no?



Paid in to preserve their way of life? What?




Not necessarily. The best of the best will be flooding in, if I tell them "what you can make is your's to keep". I think many of our scientists will be looking for some simpler jobs.

Not so fast. You deduct that because you have misconceptions about taxes. Feel free to make your opinion, of course, but just in case, I am not an anarchist. I understand the need for the government, as founders provided.

Ok then... how do you propose to pay for it?

It is a better life for those flooding. It would have less demands on the business owners as well as a result from the workers demanding far less. It would be the epitome of taking advantage of another... in every way.





Did my words stutter?

That applies to you as well my friend.





All types would be flooding in. What, do you think that all of the criminal minded types will just stay at home? Your fantasy has no correlation with actuality.

That troubles me when people vote with those three main factors. Following the church is especially troubling to me.

I researched. I looked at their issues and history. I watched their debates. I read a lot.

Yeah me too but we are apparently in the minority.

That is a significant difference in the general population's awareness nowadays...

I did read of a significant improvement as of the last election, but it's still woefully short of being common. As participants of political boards like these we tend to see a much greater percentage of persons who take a true interest in our government and politics so it's easy to think others outside these threads are similar to ourselves, but the studies I've read and the what I see out there in the real world say the general population is still horribly uninformed.

I agree... you said it bette than I, but that is what I meant...



Nowadays vs. Revolutionary and early America.

The Grace Commission

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1982, President Ronald Reagan requested an investigation into waste and inefficiency in the Federal government. For this purpose, he initiated a Private Sector Survey on Cost Control, or PSSCC, generally known as The Grace Commission, and asked the members of that commission to: "Be bold. We want your team to work like tireless bloodhounds. Don't leave any stone unturned in your search to root out inefficiency."

The report

The Grace Commission Report was presented to Congress in January 1984. The Report claimed that if its recommendations were followed, $424 billion could be saved in three years, rising to $1.9 trillion per year by the year 2000. It estimated that the national debt, without these reforms, would rise to $13 trillion by the year 2000, while with the reforms they projected it would rise to only $2.5 trillion. In reality, the debt reached $5.8 trillion in 2000.

The Report said that one-third of all income taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the Federal Government, and another one-third escapes collection due to the underground economy. "With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government."

The Congress did not act on the recommendations.

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Taxes/Research/GraceCommissionReports.pdf

Our National Debt, loans and obligations, now exceeds 54 TRILLION DOLLARS IN TOTAL and continues to rise more every day financing 2 wars, bailouts and promoting the "forever" war on terror feeding the war machine! How are we EVER going to pay for it continuing as we are? The problem isn't so much taxes, illegal immigration or terror, but uncontrolled government waste, spending and bad leadership as the Grace commission showed us 30 years ago!

LOL!
Now Steve, you know a flat tax isnt fair!

You are very observant CreativeSoul.There are willfully innacurate and deceptive statements that have been made.I see that you are noticing something that I have noticed for a while.Good to know that Im not alone. You noticed these things very quickly after you began coming around these political threadsWe need more people like you around

I just try to make sense of it, which is quite difficult at times...

I am not in a position to determine if it is deliberately deceptive, but deceptive does indeed fit at times...

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