Frankly DaveyB, I was under such an impression myself. I now know that republican party is no different at all from democrats. Both parties strive to achieve socialism, except the right is going for a more fascist type of it.

Republican party has no good ideas, and they lie about everything they do.

Out of what I have suggested, they have done nothing. It may look that way, if you take my words as if I want to impoverish an American worker. Because, this is what republicans do. Democrats strive to enrich the American worker.

Both approaches are wrong. I say let us correct the system to where every worker gets only what he can take in unregulated, free market. Let him determine if he wants to be rich or poor. Give him a clear choice, do not take away the fruits of his labor, but give him nothing either. Give him honest money he can save. Don't force him to waste his savings on social security scam, but let him, if he wants to.

That is one hell of a TALL order nogames...

Not that I completely disagree...



What would step #1 be?

Abolish IRS. That will destroy FED, and bring whole bunch of good changes just because of this one simple action. Like an avalanche, it will make the landscape unrecognizable. Gold money.

Next? Universal Suffrage. Something needs to be done about it. Either we have it, but can not vote on other people's property, or we remove it and only allow those to vote who have their own money at the stake based on the outcome of the vote.

Open borders.
Allow anyone to enter, after all proper medical examinations. Caveat: they can not receive anything from the state, but their freedom. Let us make lazy ones wish they emigrate to France, and let us make it easy for achievers to become American. After a short while, America will be where every productive person of the world lives.

Make supreme court judges to lose their job if another lawyer can prove opposite on their decision, based on the constitution. That lawyer gets the job.

And so on. I could bring this country back to #1 in no time, unless I get shot. (Very likely).

(Steve opens the first can of worms) Flat tax.

I agree with you first point. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with regards to universal suffrage. I like the idea of open borders. I disagree with the ideas about the supreme court. Outside of fraud or corruption, how can one prove that they have interpreted the constitution incorrectly? That's just absurd.

If you eliminate the income tax, there would be no need for a flat tax.

Should all decisions be based upon financial grounds?

..since all the wars, hate and misery is coming because of financial reasons and money is what gets people food and roof over their head, yes.

Unless there is a system, not based on money , as long as I can eat and sleep somewhere and find happiness, I'm all for it. I just don't like the system, where financial ground is slipping out and no one is offering either a better route, nor an alternative, that's basically like running in a mousewheel and being surprised of not getting anywhere.

Obama has not offered anything alternative whatsoever, that's my concern. He wants to raise the dead, like a necromancer, but just in reality, that won't work. The bones will collapse back, there is no blood in the vein, to speak metaphorically.

Socialist ideals... are they all bad ones?

Democratic Republic ideals... are they all good ones?

Communist?

Where would the focus increase the greater good of all... who are currently American?

Does the opening of borders not pit those who are desperate against those who are not. Should the uneducated Americans be forced into competition for the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness with desperate people who have never known what it is like to be as free as we are?

Who benefits with this measure? How so?

I lived under communism and socialism. It's hard to say whether it is good/bad, it's not as simple. We have to look at the consequences as the result and so far the communist consequences aren't anything to be be proud of, and the socialist system - (see europe now) is nothing great, unless I'm wrong and only the capitalist systems is failing and Europe is all fine and dandy. (not.)
For example, do you know how much taxes the people pay there to have government provided healthcare? google it. Basically half of your paycheck is gone, you got no savings to speak of, and now due to the recession, it's much much worse there than in USA.

Good and bad are truly subjective to a personal sense of ought... they were a poor choice of terms...

The healthcare issue is popular and commonly held as a socialist one...

I have heard the argument(though I do not necessarily agree) that 'it' is already being paid for through taxes anyway! The hospital/doctor costs incurred from those who do not pay their bills are are covered by those who pay taxes anyway. My personal healthcare expense for myself and 2 children is nearly $800 dollars a month... and we are quite healthy - fortunately! In other words, that figure does not include deductibles or co-pays. Add to that my current taxe burden and suddenly the figures which are presented as a probable personal cost for government subsidized healthcare are over-matched.

I see no positive results for the average American by opening up the borders or merging Mexico into a U.S. territory.

Boy, do I agree with that!

Yes, creative, it should all be based on money. But you're free to be a human being, and after you have made your money, you can go ahead and donate it all or in part to those you think should have it. I am all for your right to do so.

Socialist and communist ideas are all bad, no exceptions. I have studied them, and this is my conclusion. I could not find 1 (one) good idea amongst all of the socialist library.

In other words, such opening of the borders will insure that those poor and hungry, can get ahead of anyone born to freedom, if only they want to work harder.

That is fairness to me. Give me your poor and hungry, and you can take my fat and lazy.

Why would you want to exclude anyone from freedom?

Will it punish the uneducated? Not necessarily. Bill Gates didn't do too bad for a dropout. As it should be. Everyone makes a choice, and should bear the consequences of it.

What do you mean, Atlantis?

Something is rotten in Denmark...

How difficult was your personal competition in life Nogames?

Public schools? Social Services?

It is obvious - because you have expressed it - that your climb up the ladder of success has had very few rungs. So, do you speak from experience? Do you know what it is like to start from nothing???

Do you hold a position which can offer any sound advice on such a thing?

I disagree that this would solve anything of any importance.

You have me up to this point

Not sure I'd agree with the rest though I'd be willing to give anything a try over what we have. Problem is for now at least it won't happen. The average American wants everything done for them including their thinking.

They don't want to take the time to actually learn about the candidates, the measures, the bills, amendments and all the other things we vote on. They just want someone to do it, and fix it... NOW. Hence the position we are in now.

David

Don't go for it. It's a very poor bet, unless you are one of the very very few, who were extremely disadvantaged. Anything less than that, and you will lose with a sheer margin.

Besides, what does it even matter? Do I necessarily need to bring up my qualifications and all the adversity I have faced, to be able to speak the truth?

I don't want anybody to do my thinking for me.

Actually, it is you, who has me on, for now...

I totally agree. The strict capitalist system fixes all these things that are wrong now. It fixes it by attaching a personal responsibility for every smallest decision. It's best weapon? Private property, as it was understood before 1904. This and an absolute choice in private matters, unless it harms someone else, where it is then taken to court.

These things, that you notice, are normal to humans. By our nature, we only care about things that are immediately attached to our own matters, or result in immediate consequences depending on our choices.

This is why none of the socialist bullsh!t will ever work. The goal may be as noble as possible, and yet, in practice, I will only care for myself, period.