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 Uh... no we are not in agreement about all of those things... Some... not all. oh you 2 just kiss or shake hands or something already
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Sat 05/02/09 12:03 AM
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 I try not to take anything in here personally... I believe that nogames and I actually have a number of beliefs in common... 
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i know...just messing with you 2...sat here and watched you 2 go back and forth so i thought i'd say something lol
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 It is always challenging at times... Confrontation with Nogames, that is... At's why I enjoy it so much... it is a challenge, for now at least...
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Nogames has skillz...
Not mad skillz... Well...sort of.. When he cannot reply to posts he has a great gift for persistence and redirection. |
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When he cannot reply to posts he has a great gift for persistence and redirection. I realize that this is how it may look to you, when you expect me to reply. But as my general rule, I do not reply to anyone I notice to be cheating in the argument. I lose my interest. This is because I do not care what anyone thinks. Consequently, it is not my goal to change their thinking. I am only responding to test my arguments in a challenge. If one is cheating while arguing, then I am testing my arguments against something that isn't real, meaning that I am wasting my time, and so, I have no reason to reply. I do not like when it all turns into ad hominem, except if it is an ad hominem Obama. This is because he capitalizes on his personality, therefore his personality is a fair target. You, I consider mainly as a "typical teacher". I have almost no points of argument with a typical teacher. |
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I am starting up and insourcing company, and will be training local US citizens to sound like people from india who try to speak americanese, also I will disguise my company by having an international address Now that's funny! Two words=Protective Tariffs! |
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We are educating everyone to a standard compulsory level of a school degree. The expected result of this (expected not by government sledge-headed bureaucrats, mind you) is that there will be less and less good paying jobs available for that level. In other words, we are tuning everyone into an ordinary, nothing exciting, bland type worker. The pay follows. I buy only German and Japanese made cars. This is because I expect quality, and, because I wish American industry the best. An American car has no quality. Unfortunately, this is true. Yes, this nation still makes Saleen and Mustang, but the mainline autos are crap. This, by the way, was predicted (even) by a writer, Arthur Heily (sp?), in his work "Wheels". Not going into details of why there is no quality, it is sufficient to say that in most cathegories of goods, if one is seeking for quality, he won't be looking at "made in usa" goods. What exactly prevents anyone from any walk of life from attaining any professional level he may desire? Rich or poor, in America today, not only it is achievable, you will also be pushed to reach whatever it is you want. Sounds like, you are a good example of effective brainwashing through public education! The fall of the American dollar is a direct result of an unbalanced trade deficit and globalization! |
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What, Fanta, without protective tariffs you won't buy American?
You're like an alcoholic who needs to be tied up for him to quit. You like to buy cheaply from foreigners so much that you need the government to make a isolationist law, to forcefully increase the price, so that you are actually buy from a fellow American once in a while? |
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What, Fanta, without protective tariffs you won't buy American? You're like an alcoholic who needs to be tied up for him to quit. You like to buy cheaply from foreigners so much that you need the government to make a isolationist law, to forcefully increase the price, so that you are actually buy from a fellow American once in a while? Without protective trade tariffs American manufacturing cant produce their well known superior quality and compete against cheap foreign labor in countries whose standard of living is far less, cost of living is far less, and environmental/safety laws are far laxer from ours! But then you would not mind seeing Americans starve and their standard of living decrease to that of third world citizens while you promote outsourcing their jobs! |
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What, Fanta, without protective tariffs you won't buy American? You're like an alcoholic who needs to be tied up for him to quit. You like to buy cheaply from foreigners so much that you need the government to make a isolationist law, to forcefully increase the price, so that you are actually buy from a fellow American once in a while? Without protective trade tariffs American manufacturing cant produce their well known superior quality and compete against cheap foreign labor in countries whose standard of living is far less, cost of living is far less, and environmental/safety laws are far laxer from ours! But then you would not mind seeing Americans starve and their standard of living decrease to that of third world citizens while you promote outsourcing their jobs! You're right about me. I am curious about you, though! Why can't you buy American now, as it is, and pay a little more? Why do you need it to be artificially made the only choice? Is this how little you love American? |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 05/02/09 12:22 PM
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What, Fanta, without protective tariffs you won't buy American? You're like an alcoholic who needs to be tied up for him to quit. You like to buy cheaply from foreigners so much that you need the government to make a isolationist law, to forcefully increase the price, so that you are actually buy from a fellow American once in a while? Without protective trade tariffs American manufacturing cant produce their well known superior quality and compete against cheap foreign labor in countries whose standard of living is far less, cost of living is far less, and environmental/safety laws are far laxer from ours! But then you would not mind seeing Americans starve and their standard of living decrease to that of third world citizens while you promote outsourcing their jobs! You're right about me. I am curious about you, though! Why can't you buy American now, as it is, and pay a little more? Why do you need it to be artificially made the only choice? Is this how little you love American? It doesnt force anyone to buy American. It creates a level playing field for America's market. You could still buy a Jap car if you want, but it would be priced fairly. Safer, with better quality, and with a higher standard of living for American workers, and their children's children. You know, kinda like it was when you were born! |
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Just because you dont remember it doesnt mean it wasnt so!
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So, without being priced fairly, you would not by American, is that the idea?
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I 'sense' a little fear of the possibility and desire for equality...
Nogames, why don't you buy cheap products themselves, cheap meaning inferior in materials, quality, and design? The U.S. system seems like just a means to an end for some, perhaps this includes yourself as well. A way to legally gain personal wealth without thought or concern for the ramifications, which are simultaneously shredding the very fabric which the construct relied upon for it's initial support. The success of this country depends upon the success of the average 'Joe', my friend. Priveleged attitudes come from priveleged people. Consider yourself lucky. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Sat 05/02/09 01:01 PM
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So, without being priced fairly, you would not by American, is that the idea? Let's consider what fair is. Do Americans have Universal Health care? No they dont, and you would not have them have. So why should a car manufactured in Japan without that company paying for a proper medical plan be allowed access to our market without a protective tariff leveling the price to offset the cost of a decent medical plan for American workers. Do you suggest Americans just do without? Companies in China pay slave wages, but dont have to follow environmental laws, and safety laws that are in place here. Sure, in that environment it is easy to produce a less expensive textile product, but we all see the problems associated with food safety and the effects on their environment. Are Americans supposed to pollute and ignore safety concerns while lowering their median income to $6,000 a year just so American companies can compete. Pharmaceuticals, Much cheaper to produce them in India, but do Americans see a cost improvement? No, but to produce them here requires companies to be more environmentally responsible and takes away from the CEO's bonuses. Same thing with electronics! Protective Tariffs preserve the standard of living in America and preserves our jobs. Not to mention concerns with the environment, human rights, and consumer safety. After-all, we are the largest market in the world! |
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After-all, we are the largest market in the world! This part is so true. Almost all our Politicians are for sale, from BHO down the line. |
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so what I get here is the choice
an American company can choose to use American labor which is relatively overpriced and expects all kinds of benefits on top of a salary or use foreign labor which is sustantially cheaper for just as good of service and doesn't expect so many benefits do American companies exist to make a profit and succeed or do they exist to provide life support mechanisms for American labor? |
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These two things are not connected. Corporations make profits, because this is what corporations supposed to do. Millions of American retirees own stock of those corporations. Are you suggesting there is something wrong with those retirees receiving profits on their investments? We bail out corporations, because the majority of the people went to free government school, where they were indoctrinated. They do not know anything of value. How do you expect these people to make a decision that requires understanding of business and economics? When some asshole in the government tells them that a bailout is a good idea, they believe that. Just look up an opinion on bailout on this very board, and you will find quite a few, who think that was a proper decision.  Thank you! Well stated.
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Hmmm....I thought this was about who was handling government food stamps.
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