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We are educating everyone to a standard compulsory level of a school degree. The expected result of this (expected not by government sledge-headed bureaucrats, mind you) is that there will be less and less good paying jobs available for that level. In other words, we are tuning everyone into an ordinary, nothing exciting, bland type worker. The pay follows. I buy only German and Japanese made cars. This is because I expect quality, and, because I wish American industry the best. An American car has no quality. Unfortunately, this is true. Yes, this nation still makes Saleen and Mustang, but the mainline autos are crap. This, by the way, was predicted (even) by a writer, Arthur Heily (sp?), in his work "Wheels". Not going into details of why there is no quality, it is sufficient to say that in most cathegories of goods, if one is seeking for quality, he won't be looking at "made in usa" goods. What exactly prevents anyone from any walk of life from attaining any professional level he may desire? Rich or poor, in America today, not only it is achievable, you will also be pushed to reach whatever it is you want. Sounds like, you are a good example of effective brainwashing through public education! The fall of the American dollar is a direct result of an unbalanced trade deficit and globalization! WTF are you smoking Glenn? simplification of a complex issue will only allow you to pat yourself on the back. What did tarrifs do for us in the seventies? It stifled competition. As an example, remember the K car? |
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Edited by
quiet_2008
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Sat 05/02/09 01:10 PM
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Hmmm....I thought this was about who was handling government food stamps. hahaha there are so many people on here with their own personal agendas/rants/conspiracy theories/obsessions that every thread gets hijacked In India there are 300,000,000 people under the age of 30 (equal to the entire population of the US) they all have college degrees and they all wat to live a western lifestyle with jeans and cars and video games. and they are all willing to work for less than an American can afford to work for call centers are big business in India |
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winx...it's more about outsourcing
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Hmmm....I thought this was about who was handling government food stamps. hahaha there are so many people on here with their own personal agendas/rants/conspiracy theories/obsessions that every thread gets hijacked In India there are 300,000,000 people under the age of 30 (equal to the entire population of the US) they all have college degrees and they all wat to live a western lifestyle with jeans and cars and video games. and they are all willing to work for less than an American can afford to work for call centers are big business in India Yup, I do my best to not support the practice. If possible I just refuse to talk to them, if not then I make sure the called takes many times longer than it should. And generally ask for a supervisor
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Fanta46
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Sat 05/02/09 01:26 PM
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so what I get here is the choice an American company can choose to use American labor which is relatively overpriced and expects all kinds of benefits on top of a salary or use foreign labor which is sustantially cheaper for just as good of service and doesn't expect so many benefits do American companies exist to make a profit and succeed or do they exist to provide life support mechanisms for American labor? This is the largest consumer market in the world. And its pretty much self-sufficient. If a Company wants to participate in our market they have to realize and respect that American workers are that market. Without good jobs the market shrinks and since the corporations were enabled to abandon the American worker years before in pursuit of cheap manufacturing costs without penalty, there are no good paying jobs. While this is happening, (the last 30 yrs or so), a number of other interesting things have been occurring. Some in America and others in the cheap labor markets. Least of which is China catching up to Americas technological advances and economic position. With that goes an inevitable increase in the standard of living, the purchasing ability of their workers, and therefore the market! All this follows the philosophy of globalization, and Jack Welch's Industry on a barge. The Corporation is the only winner as in time the Chinese workers will expect better wages and treatment. They will develop concerns over their environment and consumer and workers safety as they grow. Then they will become an expensive manufacturing environment and the corp will outsource again. If let be they only thing that will stop it is when the worlds economy is equal. By then we will all be at their mercy and unable to do anything to change it! They will control the world and American made will be a distant memory of the very old! |
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These two things are not connected. Corporations make profits, because this is what corporations supposed to do. Millions of American retirees own stock of those corporations. Are you suggesting there is something wrong with those retirees receiving profits on their investments? We bail out corporations, because the majority of the people went to free government school, where they were indoctrinated. They do not know anything of value. How do you expect these people to make a decision that requires understanding of business and economics? When some asshole in the government tells them that a bailout is a good idea, they believe that. Just look up an opinion on bailout on this very board, and you will find quite a few, who think that was a proper decision.  Thank you! Well stated.
If I were in charge of looking out for Stockholder interests, I'd have to go where the job can be done with more quality and a lesser price. If we want to keep jobs here, I would suggest Americans consider competing with the world labor wages. |
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the big scandal in China right now is the outsourcing of labor to Viet Nam
the Chinese have developed a lifestyle close to that of Americans and expect high wages with benefits so the Chinese companies are all moving to Viet Nam |
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Hmmm....I thought this was about who was handling government food stamps. hahaha there are so many people on here with their own personal agendas/rants/conspiracy theories/obsessions that every thread gets hijacked In India there are 300,000,000 people under the age of 30 (equal to the entire population of the US) they all have college degrees and they all wat to live a western lifestyle with jeans and cars and video games. and they are all willing to work for less than an American can afford to work for call centers are big business in India I know about those call centers in India. I've been connected to them when I needed help with my computer. 
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the big scandal in China right now is the outsourcing of labor to Viet Nam the Chinese have developed a lifestyle close to that of Americans and expect high wages with benefits so the Chinese companies are all moving to Viet Nam To me its about protecting my country, my freedom, and our way of life. If it keeps going the way it is we have yet to see the bottom. |
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the big scandal in China right now is the outsourcing of labor to Viet Nam the Chinese have developed a lifestyle close to that of Americans and expect high wages with benefits so the Chinese companies are all moving to Viet Nam To me its about protecting my country, my freedom, and our way of life. If it keeps going the way it is we have yet to see the bottom. I think the point that some big companies miss is that with the degree of outsource currently happening, there will be no one left to buy their products. As consumers the only recourse we have is to make the out sourcing unprofitable. |
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the big scandal in China right now is the outsourcing of labor to Viet Nam the Chinese have developed a lifestyle close to that of Americans and expect high wages with benefits so the Chinese companies are all moving to Viet Nam To me its about protecting my country, my freedom, and our way of life. If it keeps going the way it is we have yet to see the bottom. I think the point that some big companies miss is that with the degree of outsource currently happening, there will be no one left to buy their products. As consumers the only recourse we have is to make the out sourcing unprofitable. BAM!! Or else, The Chinese and Indians will become the new market, and we will be insignificant! |
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Or else, The Chinese and Indians will become the new market, and we will be insignificant!
Leveling the playing field...
**** it, let's outsource our ****ing government as well... That would eliminate our tax burden, and level it for us - the common people... 
Just let the rest of the world do it all!!!  Idiots rule!
Where's my rifle? |
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Those who cannot survive outside of the economic construct are in deep **** if this continues!
Call it archaic, I call it a true survival of the fittest! Silver spoons will choke the mouths in which they were born into! |
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the big scandal in China right now is the outsourcing of labor to Viet Nam the Chinese have developed a lifestyle close to that of Americans and expect high wages with benefits so the Chinese companies are all moving to Viet Nam To me its about protecting my country, my freedom, and our way of life. If it keeps going the way it is we have yet to see the bottom. I think the point that some big companies miss is that with the degree of outsource currently happening, there will be no one left to buy their products. As consumers the only recourse we have is to make the out sourcing unprofitable. BAM!! Or else, The Chinese and Indians will become the new market, and we will be insignificant! Indians can't afford the product they don't pay them enough, they buy from local mfgs, and the Chinese are rapidly running into the same stumbling block. Where does that leave us...  global economic failure... gezz I wonder how we got here?
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Greed!
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Greed! A more accurate word has never been found to discribe corporate America. |
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So, without being priced fairly, you would not by American, is that the idea? Let's consider what fair is. Do Americans have Universal Health care? No they dont, and you would not have them have. So why should a car manufactured in Japan without that company paying for a proper medical plan be allowed access to our market without a protective tariff leveling the price to offset the cost of a decent medical plan for American workers. Do you suggest Americans just do without? Companies in China pay slave wages, but dont have to follow environmental laws, and safety laws that are in place here. Sure, in that environment it is easy to produce a less expensive textile product, but we all see the problems associated with food safety and the effects on their environment. Are Americans supposed to pollute and ignore safety concerns while lowering their median income to $6,000 a year just so American companies can compete. Pharmaceuticals, Much cheaper to produce them in India, but do Americans see a cost improvement? No, but to produce them here requires companies to be more environmentally responsible and takes away from the CEO's bonuses. Same thing with electronics! Protective Tariffs preserve the standard of living in America and preserves our jobs. Not to mention concerns with the environment, human rights, and consumer safety. After-all, we are the largest market in the world! You sound like you have given it a thought! And now that you know the right thing to do, you will still not buy American! 
OMG, to which extent would you go just in order to blame whoever else for your own decisions? 
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I buy American made!
There's a Ford and a Chevy in the drive. |
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winx...it's more about outsourcing
Yeah, but it's about the government's food stamp program. The words, "outsourcing" and "government's food stamp program" shouldn't be together, IMO. 
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And your watch, your clothes?
You enjoy the sound of RCA?
Do you buy American made computers? |
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